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The following is a list of books from Diamond's Sept '09 Marvel Comics, which were not mentioned when the solicitations were released. Most likely pushed back.

http://previews.diamondcomics.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=84184&ssd=


DARING MYSTERY COMICS #1 70TH ANNIV SPECIAL $3.99

DARK REIGN LIST AVENGERS ONE SHOT $3.99

DARK REIGN LIST DAREDEVIL ONE SHOT $3.99

DARK REIGN LIST X-MEN ONE SHOT $3.99

MARVEL SPOTLIGHT MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN $2.99

MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN AVENGERS $3.99

MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN HULK $3.99

MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN IRON MAN $3.99

MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN SPIDER-MAN $3.99

MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN WOLVERINE $3.99

NOMAD GIRL WITHOUT A WORLD #1 (OF 4) $3.99

STARR THE SLAYER #1 (OF 4) (MR) $3.99

THOR DEFINING MOMENTS GIANT-SIZE #1 $4.99

VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT #1 $3.99-Also, if you look at the top of the Diamond page from the link (the banner) you'll eventually see a pic of Moon Knight with guns-a-blazin'! You can also see a full Vengeance of The Moon Knight ad on the top right..."A Dark Reign has fallen and a Moon Knight must rise!", by Greg Hurwitz & Jerome Opena.

WAR OF KINGS WHO WILL RULE ONE-SHOT $3.99

X-MEN LEGACY ANNUAL #1 $3.99

-BMK!-


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mjyoung





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    The following is a list of books from Diamond's Sept '09 Marvel Comics, which were not mentioned when the solicitations were released. Most likely pushed back.


That's probably the situation. Even if these things were "classified", they would still be listed. I would guess because Marvel already has too many other issues coming out that month.

Some of these are on Marvel's website which you can find with Google.


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    DARK REIGN LIST AVENGERS ONE SHOT $3.99


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    DARK REIGN LIST DAREDEVIL ONE SHOT $3.99


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    DARK REIGN LIST X-MEN ONE SHOT $3.99


Not suprising, at least they aren't miniseries. We might see some more one shots of the popular titles, like with Wolverine, Spider-Man, Secret Warriors, Punisher and Hulk. That Iron Patriots Act teaser had Ronin, Cyclops, and Daredevil on it, so these could be about that.


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    MARVEL SPOTLIGHT MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN $2.99


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    MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN AVENGERS $3.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/MARVEL_ZOMBIES_RETURN:_AVENGERS.1

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    MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN HULK $3.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/MARVEL_ZOMBIES_RETURN:_THE_HULK.1

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    MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN IRON MAN $3.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/MARVEL_ZOMBIES_RETURN:_Iron_Man.1

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    MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN SPIDER-MAN $3.99


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    MARVEL ZOMBIES RETURN WOLVERINE $3.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/MARVEL_ZOMBIES_RETURN:_WOLVERINE.1

Seems like a bad idea. I think it might be time to stop doing these miniseries, and try to convert the zombie idea into a regular series. Something starring the horror/magic characters would make sense with the current storyline.


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    NOMAD GIRL WITHOUT A WORLD #1 (OF 4) $3.99


Awww lame. Alternate reality characters suck, and she needs to go. Explains the "Girl witout a world" teaser image.


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    STARR THE SLAYER #1 (OF 4) (MR) $3.99


Another MAX mini? http://marvel.com/catalog/STARR_THE_SLAYER.1

Daniel Way and Richard Corben.


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    VENGEANCE OF MOON KNIGHT #1 $3.99-Also, if you look at the top of the Diamond page from the link (the banner) you'll eventually see a pic of Moon Knight with guns-a-blazin'! You can also see a full Vengeance of Moon Knight ad on the top right..."A Dark Reign has fallen and a Moon Knight must rise!", by Greg Hurwitz & Jerome Opena.


The relaunch we all suspected? Can't see this being more successful. Maybe this is just a miniseries? No "OF #", but it's $3.99.


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    WAR OF KINGS WHO WILL RULE ONE-SHOT $3.99


Hopefully this isn't a lead in to another cosmic event.


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    X-MEN LEGACY ANNUAL #1 $3.99

http://marvel.com/catalog/X-MEN:_LEGACY_ANNUAL.1

Carey and Acuna.


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Abe


Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,977


There's too much junk in the September solicits, and not enough substance.
It reminds me of the days when Marvel filed for Bankruptcy protection.
There was a LOT of clutter on the shelves.
As for Moon Knight? I collection Moony's comics, but if the series is $3.99 an issue, I will not purchase it.
It's too expensive, and Marvel need to realise this.


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mjyoung




Yeah, we are seeing a rehash of the 90s playing out. Next Wednesday, Marvel has 33 titles coming out? That's too much.

But we are seeing the flooding of the market, too many variants, reliance on events for sales, etc.

This time, we also have a single company (Marvel) with a huge percentage of the sales, no strong third company to compete, a bad economy, a dwindling consumer base, no new readers, high prices, and a great reduction of LCSs.

I'd wager that the traditional system (direct market + floppies) has about 5 semi-good years left. One of the biggest factors is the % of stories closing each year, I think I read 20% of stores close each year. And those stores aren't being replaced by new ones.

Of course stories will still be told, but it will be by TPBs, mail distribution (like DCBS), or digital comics. I'd probably put my money on a second tier company like Boom studios to go online (the right way) first, and use something like Amazon Marketplace to sell their comics.


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Rion





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    This time, we also have a single company (Marvel) with a huge percentage of the sales, no strong third company to compete, a bad economy, a dwindling consumer base, no new readers, high prices, and a great reduction of LCSs.



I'm surprised anyone even bothers with LCS's any more. I've been getting my comics from an online mail service (Westfield Comics) for years now. I order two months in advance. If I suddenly decide I want something that's coming out next month, I get it from Comics Infinity - another online mail service. If I want something from the current month, I get it from eBay. There just isn't a reason to go to the LCS. Hey, if hot chicks hung out there, then maybe, but the only times I ever saw hot chicks at the LCS, they were there with their boyfriends.




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Omar Karindu


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I think you're absolutely right on this stuff, and it's a trenchant analysis which everyone at these boards with an interest in Marvel comics ought to read.


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    Yeah, we are seeing a rehash of the 90s playing out. Next Wednesday, Marvel has 33 titles coming out? That's too much.



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    But we are seeing the flooding of the market, too many variants, reliance on events for sales, etc.



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    This time, we also have a single company (Marvel) with a huge percentage of the sales, no strong third company to compete, a bad economy, a dwindling consumer base, no new readers, high prices, and a great reduction of LCSs.



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    I'd wager that the traditional system (direct market + floppies) has about 5 semi-good years left. One of the biggest factors is the % of stories closing each year, I think I read 20% of stores close each year. And those stores aren't being replaced by new ones.



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    Of course stories will still be told, but it will be by TPBs, mail distribution (like DCBS), or digital comics. I'd probably put my money on a second tier company like Boom studios to go online (the right way) first, and use something like Amazon Marketplace to sell their comics.







- Omar Karindu
"For your information, I don't have an ego. My Facebook photo is a landscape."
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mjyoung





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      This time, we also have a single company (Marvel) with a huge percentage of the sales, no strong third company to compete, a bad economy, a dwindling consumer base, no new readers, high prices, and a great reduction of LCSs.



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    I'm surprised anyone even bothers with LCS's any more. I've been getting my comics from an online mail service (Westfield Comics) for years now. I order two months in advance. If I suddenly decide I want something that's coming out next month, I get it from Comics Infinity - another online mail service. If I want something from the current month, I get it from eBay. There just isn't a reason to go to the LCS. Hey, if hot chicks hung out there, then maybe, but the only times I ever saw hot chicks at the LCS, they were there with their boyfriends.


Well the main reason why people still go to their LCS is because they've always done it. People are resistant to change. I think this is especially true for comic fans. To be fair, there are still some great LCSs out there, where people would rather pay higher prices for "better service". And LCSs do have an advantage in terms of delivery, where the customer knows he can go to a shop and pick up his comics. Most other distributions methods are somewhat slower.

But in no way can a LCS justify taking 50%? of the price of a comic these days. Grocery stores have a very low profit margins for their food, around 1-2%. Even Wal-Mart typically has an average profit margin for their products at 3-5%. Of course the real money comes from selling so much.

Is a customer really willing to spend $3.99 to pick up Ultimate Avengers #1 at a comic shop, or would they prefer to spend $.99 for it at DCBS? Even Westfield Comics has the issue for $3.19. And there are other cheaper methods, such as waiting for the eventual TPB, or getting a subscription from the publisher.

In the past, the LCS could justify taking 50% of the cost. Other distribution methods weren't available, they offered a huge collection of current and past work, customers didn't have information about future comics, they could recommend comics, they could talk to other fans, etc. But today, they are other distribution methods, back issues became TPBs, they typically don't order extra titles, fans have alot of knowledge about future comics, and they can interact with other comic fans online.


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Abe


Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,977



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        This time, we also have a single company (Marvel) with a huge percentage of the sales, no strong third company to compete, a bad economy, a dwindling consumer base, no new readers, high prices, and a great reduction of LCSs.

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        I'm surprised anyone even bothers with LCS's any more. I've been getting my comics from an online mail service (Westfield Comics) for years now. I order two months in advance. If I suddenly decide I want something that's coming out next month, I get it from Comics Infinity - another online mail service. If I want something from the current month, I get it from eBay. There just isn't a reason to go to the LCS. Hey, if hot chicks hung out there, then maybe, but the only times I ever saw hot chicks at the LCS, they were there with their boyfriends.



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    Well the main reason why people still go to their LCS is because they've always done it. People are resistant to change. I think this is especially true for comic fans. To be fair, there are still some great LCSs out there, where people would rather pay higher prices for "better service". And LCSs do have an advantage in terms of delivery, where the customer knows he can go to a shop and pick up his comics. Most other distributions methods are somewhat slower.



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    But in no way can a LCS justify taking 50%? of the price of a comic these days. Grocery stores have a very low profit margins for their food, around 1-2%. Even Wal-Mart typically has an average profit margin for their products at 3-5%. Of course the real money comes from selling so much.



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    Is a customer really willing to spend $3.99 to pick up Ultimate Avengers #1 at a comic shop, or would they prefer to spend $.99 for it at DCBS? Even Westfield Comics has the issue for $3.19. And there are other cheaper methods, such as waiting for the eventual TPB, or getting a subscription from the publisher.



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    In the past, the LCS could justify taking 50% of the cost. Other distribution methods weren't available, they offered a huge collection of current and past work, customers didn't have information about future comics, they could recommend comics, they could talk to other fans, etc. But today, they are other distribution methods, back issues became TPBs, they typically don't order extra titles, fans have alot of knowledge about future comics, and they can interact with other comic fans online.


I go to my LCBS because my mates work there. The fact that I get my comics there is an added bonus.
I live in Australia, and so am wondering, is it worth me going through DCBS when I might be slugged with a big postage fee?
I'm not commenting, I'm asking.
I get about 20 comics a month, so is it worth me going through DCBS or staying with my LCBS?
Abe.


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mjyoung





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    I go to my LCBS because my mates work there. The fact that I get my comics there is an added bonus.
    I live in Australia, and so am wondering, is it worth me going through DCBS when I might be slugged with a big postage fee?
    I'm not commenting, I'm asking.
    I get about 20 comics a month, so is it worth me going through DCBS or staying with my LCBS?
    Abe.


It's probably worth it, but I don't know for sure. You'd have to compare the shipping cost to the exchange rate and the higher price you currently pay for comics. Because of your location, you are going to have to figure that out for yourself. Most of the information can be found on their websites. I think in most cases, they are willing to do whatever shipping method you prefer, since the cost is passed on directly to you.

http://www.dcbservice.com/
http://westfieldcomics.com/
And there are lots of others out there.


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Abe


Location: Melbourne, Australia
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
Posts: 1,977



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      I go to my LCBS because my mates work there. The fact that I get my comics there is an added bonus.
      I live in Australia, and so am wondering, is it worth me going through DCBS when I might be slugged with a big postage fee?
      I'm not commenting, I'm asking.
      I get about 20 comics a month, so is it worth me going through DCBS or staying with my LCBS?
      Abe.



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    It's probably worth it, but I don't know for sure. You'd have to compare the shipping cost to the exchange rate and the higher price you currently pay for comics. Because of your location, you are going to have to figure that out for yourself. Most of the information can be found on their websites. I think in most cases, they are willing to do whatever shipping method you prefer, since the cost is passed on directly to you.





thanks, but i think i'll stick with my local.
it gives me a reason to socalise with friends, also as a friend mentioned, i'm supporting local jobs. and that's good for everyone.


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mjyoung





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    I think you're absolutely right on this stuff, and it's a trenchant analysis which everyone at these boards with an interest in Marvel comics ought to read.


I know, I'm absolutely right. \:\) I think one problem is that people are really closed minded, a "head in the sand" type of situation.

Speaking of how right I am...


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    Of course stories will still be told, but it will be by TPBs, mail distribution (like DCBS), or digital comics. I'd probably put my money on a second tier company like Boom studios to go online (the right way) first, and use something like Amazon Marketplace to sell their comics.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21693

So now we have an "iTunes" for comics. And look who signed on first? Boom Studios and Top Cow.

In all honesty, this venture will probably fail. Any new business idea takes a lot of start up money, and I doubt they have it. But if so, how long can they hold out without making a profit? I'm guessing not very long. iTunes and Amazon Marketplace are backed by huge companies, and the resources that go along with it.

I think the next ones to jump on will be the licensed comics, like IDW's TRANSFORMERS, GIJOE, CSI, ANGEL, etc. It's going to be the simple matter of whoever owns those licenses asking "how come you aren't pursuing all avenues of revenue?". I doubt Dynamite will join in soon, because even though they also do alot of license comics, there "core concept" is selling art.

From there, it will be Image and other creator owned companies joining up. As a creator barely getting by at Image, you'll seek all possible avenues of revenue.

But Marvel and DC won't join up willingly, and they still make up a large percent of the market. And until that happens, this won't be accepted. I don't see Marvel joining up anytime soon, especially as they keep sinking money into an obvious failure like their current digital comics system.


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