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sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
can' he be beaten like anyone else?
i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


Thor has ties and a history that limits his usage. Sentry is an enigma wrapped in cheesecloth, a writer can basically utilize him for any purpose they want and not have to explain much or make concessions to other writers, etc to use him. He can be as powerful as wanted or as useless as needed in any given situation and the only real explanation required is, "It's the Sentry, what do you expect?" In one book he can wipe out any adversary in a single panel, in another he can just vanish with no explanation needed or sit in a corner afraid of his own shadow. He makes telling a story the way a writer wants easy. He may be explained by the writers as 'incredibly deep and complicated with a myriad of mysteries to uncover' but he's really just an overly simplified plot device that alleviates the need to work too too hard in explaining or justifying various stories.






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Doc Shallot





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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?





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FirstChAoS





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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


If the "Age of the Sentry" is in any way valid he literally has the world reshape itself to his subconscious desires. Which means you can blame ANYTHING on sentry too, anything.

Also AotS revealed sentry is no longer robert reynolds. He is a gangster (whose name I forgot) who was the original void who absorbed robrt reynolds powers and possibly personality.

Mind you marvel gave a thousand tags which they can use to retcon AotS ranging from the claim in the "story part" of it being an imaginary story to the part in the "solid 616" section where it was reed richards bedtime story to franklin (although one he made to explain the sentry and his powers, inconsistancies, and origins). But if what marvel had revealed in Age of the Sentry is in ANY way valid the sentry is the scaries force in the MU, a gangster deluded to think he is a hero who has the world subconsciously remold itself to his mindset. I can no longer laugh off claims as silly as "maybe sentry is the beyonder" as bad writing, because marvel opened the door where sentry can be, do, or be responsible for ANYTHING.

Oddly enough despite hating Sentry in the main 616 universe I liked all three of his limited series. (though AotS was tough to get into and took a few issues for it to grow on me). Though I must admit the ONLY good thing the sentry has brought to marvel is one of the weirdest "rogues galleries" in existence (assuming you ignore void, the classinc "dark reflection" villain, and general who should be a captain america villain).

FirstChAoS: when the marvel zombies meet the marvel apes they soon learn that "their is no wrong way to eat a rhesus".






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TJ Burns





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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


His variety of powers and fragile mental state make him a lot scarier than a known, stable quality like Thor. Of course, Thor snapping like a twig and starting to rampage would almost certainly be scarier than the Sentry ever thought about being. \:\)


TJB


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mjyoung





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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


Sentry is gonna be more powerful than traditional Thor. But he also has more variety in his powers, like super speed. Sentry is an analouge to Superman power wise, but with none of his weaknesses. And most importantly, Sentry is willing to kill.

Can he really be beaten? That depends on the story. But being a fairly new and mysterious character, it's impossible to say. And apparently in Dark Avengers, he can never die.

Sentry is a great character when used properly. But the execution of the character hasn't been great, writing him out of pivotal battles for instance.



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Reverend Meteor


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      Quote:
      sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
      can' he be beaten like anyone else?
      i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?



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    If the "Age of the Sentry" is in any way valid he literally has the world reshape itself to his subconscious desires. Which means you can blame ANYTHING on sentry too, anything.



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    Also AotS revealed sentry is no longer robert reynolds. He is a gangster (whose name I forgot) who was the original void who absorbed robrt reynolds powers and possibly personality.



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    Mind you marvel gave a thousand tags which they can use to retcon AotS ranging from the claim in the "story part" of it being an imaginary story to the part in the "solid 616" section where it was reed richards bedtime story to franklin (although one he made to explain the sentry and his powers, inconsistancies, and origins). But if what marvel had revealed in Age of the Sentry is in ANY way valid the sentry is the scaries force in the MU, a gangster deluded to think he is a hero who has the world subconsciously remold itself to his mindset. I can no longer laugh off claims as silly as "maybe sentry is the beyonder" as bad writing, because marvel opened the door where sentry can be, do, or be responsible for ANYTHING.



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    Oddly enough despite hating Sentry in the main 616 universe I liked all three of his limited series. (though AotS was tough to get into and took a few issues for it to grow on me). Though I must admit the ONLY good thing the sentry has brought to marvel is one of the weirdest "rogues galleries" in existence (assuming you ignore void, the classinc "dark reflection" villain, and general who should be a captain america villain).



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    FirstChAoS: when the marvel zombies meet the marvel apes they soon learn that "their is no wrong way to eat a rhesus".







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Omar Karindu


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      Quote:
      sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
      can' he be beaten like anyone else?
      i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?



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    Sentry is gonna be more powerful than traditional Thor. But he also has more variety in his powers, like super speed. Sentry is an analouge to Superman power wise, but with none of his weaknesses. And most importantly, Sentry is willing to kill.


Yeah, that seems to be his big hook: he's ridiculously powerful and sometimes crazy and ruthless.


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    Can he really be beaten? That depends on the story. But being a fairly new and mysterious character, it's impossible to say. And apparently in Dark Avengers, he can never die.


I don't know that Sentry's that mysterious anymore; we know pretty much everything about him as a person by this point.

What's mysterious is the extent of his power level, and even there, the mystery is more in terms of whether he's genuinely omnipotent or just very, very close to it.


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    Sentry is a great character when used properly. But the execution of the character hasn't been great, writing him out of pivotal battles for instance.


The problem is that Sentry, used properly, tends to reduce all other characters to irrelevance as far as plotting goes. Unless he's the menace, it's fairly hard to plot coherent stories around him involving other heroes.





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mjyoung





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    Yeah, that seems to be his big hook: he's ridiculously powerful and sometimes crazy and ruthless.


Well his hook would probably be "Crazy Superman at Marvel". \:\)


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    I don't know that Sentry's that mysterious anymore; we know pretty much everything about him as a person by this point.


He's still mysterious. We don't know the full extent of his powers, so Sentry suddenly being resurrected in Dark Avengers isn't a shock. Depending on the story, he's also been given different origins. We don't even know the full relationship between the Void and the Sentry.


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    The problem is that Sentry, used properly, tends to reduce all other characters to irrelevance as far as plotting goes. Unless he's the menace, it's fairly hard to plot coherent stories around him involving other heroes.


I agree, but this is also the inherent problem with writing a good Superman story. Originally I was against the inclusion of the Sentry in the modern Marvel Universe, and thought he worked better as a one off character that the world has to forget (from his original mini).

Now the problem is that instead of embracing his power, writers are just writing around it. Sentry cries on the moon during Civil War, Sentry cries in Space during Secret Invasion, etc.

The mental issues the character faces are interesting, to a point. But after a while, no one cares.

The ideal situation for the character now is hard. Play up the angle of despite being ultra powerful, he is afraid to take action? That's the current angle from Dark Avengers, and its sort of good.

Or maybe the character just needs to be put into a cosmic setting. The idea of a character that is searching for his humanity in a place devoid of any humans is a compelling idea to me.




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The Anti-Rob Liefled





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    sure the sentry is VERY powerful but why is he so feared by all?
    can' he be beaten like anyone else?
    i mean thor can be beaten and he is almost as powerful, so why him?


You could ask the same question about the Blue Marvel.

Would like to see a Sentry vs. Blue Marvel mini-series. I really enjoyed the original Senry mini-series and the Blue Marvel 5-issue political action series.




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Rokker




Now I like what has been done with him in Dark Avengers. The way Norman can harness the Void could be huge. To me he was always to wussyish if thats a word. Now with his black eyes and murderous intent he and his power of 10,000 suns could be very dangerous. Even a rampaging Hulk knows how strong and tough the Sentry can be. I am glad they have changed his game a bit because I dont want him to be a milktoast Superman clone, which is what he was.


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