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ChrisBechtloff




I posted this on the Spiderman board. In hindsight I think I should have posted it here, so here it is.


I'm hearing a lot of rumors about Spider-man 4 and what will be in it. I hope it doesn't happen. I'm done with the Sam Rami/Toby Maguire/Kirsten Dunst Spidey franchise. Now I liked these movies, I must have seen the first one like 10 times in the theater when it came out. I was there opening night for 2 and I liked it and I was there opening night for 3 and....well....I basically liked it, more or less. You know what shot down my opinion of the Spidey movie franchise? Two words. Iron Man. Though not just Iron Man but really also the last Hulk movie and Punisher War Zone. Those raised the bar for the marvel movie in a big way. Take Punisher War Zone for example. I wager if you didnt like that movie your not much of a Punisher fan to begin with because that was everything a Punisher movie should be. Now compare it to the 2004 Punisher movie. That wasnt a bad movie per say, I enjoyed it, in fact I own it on dvd, but it was Hollywood's Punisher. Punisher War Zone, that was MARVELS Punisher. Look at 2003's Hulk. What a disaster that was. There was Hollywood's take on the Hulk, and it wasn't even ok, it was horrible. Look at 2008's Hulk. Awesome. And thats the thing I now know I dont have to settel for Hollywood's versions of these characters.

So I hope Spider-man can be taken away from Sony, for that matter lets get X-men away from Fox. Same with Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Maybe you thought those movies were ok or even pretty good, or maybe you thought they sucked, but either way now its obvious it can be done much better. Iron Man raised the bar. I cant settle for Hollywood's distorted versions anymore.


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Rion





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    Take Punisher War Zone for example. I wager if you didnt like that movie your not much of a Punisher fan to begin with because that was everything a Punisher movie should be.


I agree.



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    So I hope Spider-man can be taken away from Sony, for that matter lets get X-men away from Fox. Same with Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Maybe you thought those movies were ok or even pretty good, or maybe you thought they sucked, but either way now its obvious it can be done much better. Iron Man raised the bar. I cant settle for Hollywood's distorted versions anymore.


I thought the Spider-Man movies were pretty faithful to the comic, and for precisely that reason they were successful. Same with the X-Men movies. Nevertheless, I look forward to Marvel regaining control of Spider-Man and the X-Men because I want to see an Avengers movie with Spidey and Wolvie on the team!




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bd2999





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    I posted this on the Spiderman board. In hindsight I think I should have posted it here, so here it is.



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    I'm hearing a lot of rumors about Spider-man 4 and what will be in it. I hope it doesn't happen. I'm done with the Sam Rami/Toby Maguire/Kirsten Dunst Spidey franchise. Now I liked these movies, I must have seen the first one like 10 times in the theater when it came out. I was there opening night for 2 and I liked it and I was there opening night for 3 and....well....I basically liked it, more or less. You know what shot down my opinion of the Spidey movie franchise? Two words. Iron Man. Though not just Iron Man but really also the last Hulk movie and Punisher War Zone. Those raised the bar for the marvel movie in a big way. Take Punisher War Zone for example. I wager if you didnt like that movie your not much of a Punisher fan to begin with because that was everything a Punisher movie should be. Now compare it to the 2004 Punisher movie. That wasnt a bad movie per say, I enjoyed it, in fact I own it on dvd, but it was Hollywood's Punisher. Punisher War Zone, that was MARVELS Punisher. Look at 2003's Hulk. What a disaster that was. There was Hollywood's take on the Hulk, and it wasn't even ok, it was horrible. Look at 2008's Hulk. Awesome. And thats the thing I now know I dont have to settel for Hollywood's versions of these characters.


Well my opinion on Spider-man is I liked the first one when it came out, really liked the second one and was dissapointed in the third one. But after seeing the newer crop of movies, like Iron man I have found myself liking the spider man movies less and less. They are still good but just not as good to me overall. Not sure why.

Iron man was pretty much the best comic movie that Marvel has done and to many is the best comic movie period, just depends on how much you like Dark Knight. I admitt that the new Hulk was much better than the first movie and to be honest I think it would have done better if it was the first Hulk movie in a long time as opposed to a redo of a movie that is a living joke.

As for Punisher I am a pretty big fan, and I hated the new movie. I really liked the Tom Jane 2004 movie. I thought the one captured more of the sorrow in the character. Does it match the Max series or the heat of the other series when he is harden and in the throw of things. No, it does not but I think it makes the character more approachable. Not to mention I think how the did Jiggsaw made him a living joke, and there were just so many campy moments that it was like okay.


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    So I hope Spider-man can be taken away from Sony, for that matter lets get X-men away from Fox. Same with Fantastic Four, and Daredevil. Maybe you thought those movies were ok or even pretty good, or maybe you thought they sucked, but either way now its obvious it can be done much better. Iron Man raised the bar. I cant settle for Hollywood's distorted versions anymore.


I doubt Marvel can get those titles back if they wanted to really. For Sony it was to much of a cash cow and so are X-men. Daredevil I can see them might be able to get back. But the other two they still make some money from each of them, but I just do not think that they will be able to get the rights back.

They are being a bit more accurate to the source material in the movies that Marvel makes, although with Punisher that was the only exception of movie I think got worse, but I think they could have done much better with some of their own characters.




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Punk Funk & Junk




The way I see it, Iron Man raises the bar for every comic book movie including those not owned by Marvel. We can expect SM 4 to reach for the high quality of IM as well as any other comic property coming to the screen. If Marvel's films continue to be high quality successes, it is most likely that the off screen talents working on them will quickly be courted by the studioes that own the other Marvel properties to ensure the success of their films. This means that we can expect higher quality comic films all around.


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MysteryMan




I would flip the Hulk and Punisher movies. Like new Punisher better...and did not think 1st Hulk was horrible, though tit was just as good as thenewets Hulk. In fact it was stupid the call it a re-make...it would so easily have been easy to call it Hulk-2.


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bd2999





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    I would flip the Hulk and Punisher movies. Like new Punisher better...and did not think 1st Hulk was horrible, though tit was just as good as thenewets Hulk. In fact it was stupid the call it a re-make...it would so easily have been easy to call it Hulk-2.


Could have, but considering the PR the first movie got they had to distance themselves as much as possible. I did not think it was an aweful movie either, just not that great either. Most people think it is a joke though so they had to seperate it the best they could.

To each there own, I just know the new Punisher came off way to comic booky to me. I know that sounds wierd but in the movie I should not feel like I am watching a comic book, make it into a movie.




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MysteryMan




I can understand why they felt they had to distance,,,but if you look at the numbers they did about equal (Hulk 1 and 2). So in hindsight they should have listened to me...lol...especially since the 1st one ended with him in a 3rd-worldish country in hiding and the 2nd one picked up in a way that would easily have melded and not made us watch any more origin story telling...or talk about why he is on the run etc,,,

As tot he Punisher...I wasnt really crazy about either of them...I guess the only thing I liked better about the new one was it was more non-stop action...so I didnt have to pay as much attention to what I thought was weak story-telling in both movies.


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ChrisBechtloff




Your the only person I've ever heard who liked the 2003 Hulk. Im sure theres more but your the first I've encountered. That movie was horrible.


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MysteryMan




it did just as well. The remake of the Hulk did no better than it's 1st version...talking about people who watched the film they are equals.


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