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Buddy




Hey everyone! How have you been?

In the past, Marvel has done an excellent job for giving minorities major roles in comics. This poll is a very hypothetical one. The goal is to discover which ethnic characters do the fans find the most interesting, or would like to see further development.


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Whoever you rank 1st place gets 10 points, whoever you rank 2nd place gets 9 points, whoever you rank 3rd place gets 8 points, etc.

Here is a list to help you decide:

Aiko Miyazaki-Honey Lemon : Alani Ryan-Loa : Alex Wilder : Amadeus Cho-Mastermind Excello : Amiko Howlett : Anath NaMut-Sphinx : Angela DelToro-White Tiger : Angelo Espinoza-Skin : Angel Salvadore-Tempest : Antonio Rodriquez-Armadillo : Anya Corazon-Arana : Arlette Truffaut-Murmur : Armando Munoz-Darwin : Betsy Braddock-Psylocke : Bill Foster-Black Goliath : Bill Waring-Challenger : Bonita Juarez-Firebird : Brian Cruz-Tag : Cecilia Reyes : Chen Lu-Radioactive Man : Chris Aaronson-King Bedlam : Christian Cord-Phaser : Christine Cord-Longstrike : Cleo Nefertiti-Asp : Colleen Wing : Conrad Mack-Smiling Tiger : Daken Akihiro-Dark Wolverine : Dani Moonstar-Mirage : David Alleyne-Prodigy : Deborah Fields-Debrii : Delroy Garrett-3D Man : Donyell Taylor-Bandit : Duc Tranh-Bengal : Dwayne Taylor-Night Thrasher : Edward Black Wolf-Supermax : Elijah Bradley-Patriot : Eliot Franklin-Thunderball : Elizabeth Twoyoungmen-Talisman : Elvin Haliday-Rage : EnSabah Nur-Apocalypse : Eric Brooks-Blade : Erik Killmonger : Everett Thomas-Synch : Fabian Cortez : Farouk Al-Fasaud : Gabriel Sepulveda-Defensor : Gateway : Gene Khan-Mandarin : Georgia Jenkins-Night Nurse : Grover Raymond-Aries : Haroun AlRashid-Jetstream : Heather Hudson-Sasquatch Exiles : Heather Tucker-Tempo : Hector Ayala-White Tiger : Hector Rendoza-Wraith : Henrique Gallante-Asylum : Hiro Takachicho : Hisako Ichiki-Armor : Isaiah Bradley-Black America : James Proudstar-Warpath : James Rhodes-War Machine : James Wa-Calamity : Janos Quested-Riptide : Japheth-Maggott : Jericho Drumm-Brother Voodoo : Jerome Beechman-Mandrill : Jessan Hoan-Tyger Tiger : Jesse Aaronson-Bedlam : Jesse Black Crow : Joanna Cargill-Frenzy : John Hashimoto-Johnny Cool : John Proudstar-Thunderbird Exiles : John Wraith : Joseph Green-Gauntlet : Jubilation Lee-Jubilee : Julio Richter-Rictor : Karima Shapandar-Omega Sentinel : Kenuichio Harada-Silver Samurai : Kim IlSung-Scrambler : Kodiak Noatak-Harpoon : Kwannon-Revanche : Laura Dean-Pathway : Leiko Tanaka-GoGo Tomago : Leiko Wu : Lemar Hoskins-Battlestar : Leyu Yoshida-Sunpyre : Lucas Bishop : Lucia Callasantos-Thornn : Lucy Cervantes-Gadget : Luke Cage-Power Man : Magdalena Marie-Veda : Maker-Forge : Mantis Brandt : Manuel LaRocha-Empath : Maria Callasantos-Feral : Maria Santiago-Silverclaw : Maria Vasquez-Tarantula : Mariko Yashida-Sunfire Exiles : Marius StCroix-Emplate : Maya Lopez-Echo : M’Baku-Man Ape : Melati Kusuma-Komodo : Melody Jacobs-Threnody : Mercedes Knight-Misty Knight : Meryet Karim-Sphinx : M’Gula-Rock Python : Michael Twoyoungmen-Shaman : Mickey Musashi-Turbo : Miguel Reyes : Miguel Santos-Living Lightning : MinLi Ng-Silk Fever : Mondo : Monet StCroix-M : Mongoose : Monica Rambeau-Pulsar : Narya-Snowbird : Navid Hasam-Arabian Knight : Neal Shaara-Thunderbird : Nekra Sinclair : Nezhno Abidemi-Gentle : Nico Minoru-Sister Grimm : Noriko Ashida-Surge : Ororo T’Challa-Storm : Pantu Hurageb-Reaper : Paras Gavaskar-Indra : Paul Hark-Red Lotus : Philippa Sontag-Arclight : Quicksand : Quincy McIver-Bushmaster : Rafael Carago-Helix : Rina Patel-Timeslip : Robert Farrell-Rocket Racer : Roberto DaCosta-Sunspot : Roxy Washington-Bling : Ruth BatSeraph-Sabra : Rutherford Princeton-Centennial : Samuel Wilson-Falcon : Shang-Chi : Shan Manh-Karma : Shard Bishop : Shen Kuei-Cat : Shen Xorn : Shinobi Shaw : Shiro Yoshida-Sunfire : Silhouette Chord : Sofia Mantega-Renascence : Sooraya Qadir-Dust : Suzanne Chan-Sway : Suzi Endo-Cybermancer : Taki Matsuya-Wiz Kid : Tako Shamara-Dragon Lord : Talisman Australia : Tamara Kurtz-Dragoness : Tao Yu-Collective Man : T’Challa-Black Panther : Teresa Vasquez-FerdeLance : Tessa-Sage : Thomas Fireheart-Puma : Trey Rollins-Aegis : Tyrone Johnson-Cloak : Victor Mancha-Victorious : Viper-Madame Hydra : William Talltrees-Red Wolf : Yukio : Yukon Jack : Yuriko Oyama-Lady Deathstrike : Zuzha Yu-Puck : Or Your Choice

Further Research:
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

I shall post the results in a week! Thanks For Playing!

Buddy


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The Mandarin


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1. The Mandarin
2. Viper
3. Dani Moonstar




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patoliver





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    Hey everyone! How have you been?



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    Imagine this: If Marvel wanted to increase their ethnic popularity for the sake of this multi-cultural world, they would have to ask the fans: "Which ethnic characters should we focus on?" In this poll, choose any ten ethnic characters of YOUR CHOICE. Imagine that whoever you choose, the writers will give them a more in-depth history, a more distinct personality, and more interesting life convictions. The goal is to discover who we personally deem worthy to make it into mainstream Marvel media popularity while increasing ethnic diversity.



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    Whoever you rank 1st place gets 10 points, whoever you rank 2nd place gets 9 points, whoever you rank 3rd place gets 8 points, etc.



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    Here is a list to help you decide:



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    Aiko Miyazaki-Honey Lemon : Alani Ryan-Loa : Alex Wilder : Amadeus Cho-Mastermind Excello : Amiko Howlett : Anath NaMut-Sphinx : Angela DelToro-White Tiger : Angelo Espinoza-Skin : Angel Salvadore-Tempest : Antonio Rodriquez-Armadillo : Anya Corazon-Arana : Arlette Truffaut-Murmur : Armando Munoz-Darwin : Betsy Braddock-Psylocke : Bill Foster-Black Goliath : Bill Waring-Challenger : Bonita Juarez-Firebird : Brian Cruz-Tag : Cecilia Reyes : Chen Lu-Radioactive Man : Chris Aaronson-King Bedlam : Christian Cord-Phaser : Christine Cord-Longstrike : Cleo Nefertiti-Asp : Colleen Wing : Conrad Mack-Smiling Tiger : Daken Akihiro-Dark Wolverine : Dani Moonstar-Mirage : David Alleyne-Prodigy : Deborah Fields-Debrii : Delroy Garrett-3D Man : Donyell Taylor-Bandit : Duc Tranh-Bengal : Dwayne Taylor-Night Thrasher : Edward Black Wolf-Supermax : Elijah Bradley-Patriot : Eliot Franklin-Thunderball : Elizabeth Twoyoungmen-Talisman : Elvin Haliday-Rage : EnSabah Nur-Apocalypse : Eric Brooks-Blade : Erik Killmonger : Everett Thomas-Synch : Fabian Cortez : Farouk Al-Fasaud : Gabriel Sepulveda-Defensor : Gateway : Gene Khan-Mandarin : Georgia Jenkins-Night Nurse : Grover Raymond-Aries : Haroun AlRashid-Jetstream : Heather Hudson-Sasquatch Exiles : Heather Tucker-Tempo : Hector Ayala-White Tiger : Hector Rendoza-Wraith : Henrique Gallante-Asylum : Hiro Takachicho : Hisako Ichiki-Armor : Isaiah Bradley-Black America : James Proudstar-Warpath : James Rhodes-War Machine : James Wa-Calamity : Janos Quested-Riptide : Japheth-Maggott : Jericho Drumm-Brother Voodoo : Jerome Beechman-Mandrill : Jessan Hoan-Tyger Tiger : Jesse Aaronson-Bedlam : Jesse Black Crow : Joanna Cargill-Frenzy : John Hashimoto-Johnny Cool : John Proudstar-Thunderbird Exiles : John Wraith : Joseph Green-Gauntlet : Jubilation Lee-Jubilee : Julio Richter-Rictor : Karima Shapandar-Omega Sentinel : Kenuichio Harada-Silver Samurai : Kim IlSung-Scrambler : Kodiak Noatak-Harpoon : Kwannon-Revanche : Laura Dean-Pathway : Leiko Tanaka-GoGo Tomago : Leiko Wu : Lemar Hoskins-Battlestar : Leyu Yoshida-Sunpyre : Lucas Bishop : Lucia Callasantos-Thornn : Lucy Cervantes-Gadget : Luke Cage-Power Man : Magdalena Marie-Veda : Maker-Forge : Mantis Brandt : Manuel LaRocha-Empath : Maria Callasantos-Feral : Maria Santiago-Silverclaw : Maria Vasquez-Tarantula : Mariko Yashida-Sunfire Exiles : Marius StCroix-Emplate : Maya Lopez-Echo : M’Baku-Man Ape : Melati Kusuma-Komodo : Melody Jacobs-Threnody : Mercedes Knight-Misty Knight : Meryet Karim-Sphinx : M’Gula-Rock Python : Michael Twoyoungmen-Shaman : Mickey Musashi-Turbo : Miguel Reyes : Miguel Santos-Living Lightning : MinLi Ng-Silk Fever : Mondo : Monet StCroix-M : Mongoose : Monica Rambeau-Pulsar : Narya-Snowbird : Navid Hasam-Arabian Knight : Neal Shaara-Thunderbird : Nekra Sinclair : Nezhno Abidemi-Gentle : Nico Minoru-Sister Grimm : Noriko Ashida-Surge : Ororo T’Challa-Storm : Pantu Hurageb-Reaper : Paras Gavaskar-Indra : Paul Hark-Red Lotus : Philippa Sontag-Arclight : Quincy McIver-Bushmaster : Rafael Carago-Helix : Rina Patel-Timeslip : Robert Farrell-Rocket Racer : Roberto DaCosta-Sunspot : Roxy Washington-Bling : Ruth BatSeraph-Sabra : Rutherford Princeton-Centennial : Samuel Wilson-Falcon : Shang-Chi : Shan Manh-Karma : Shard Bishop : Shen Kuei-Cat : Shen Xorn : Shinobi Shaw : Shiro Yoshida-Sunfire : Silhouette Chord : Sofia Mantega-Renascence : Sooraya Qadir-Dust : Suzanne Chan-Sway : Suzi Endo-Cybermancer : Taki Matsuya-Wiz Kid : Tako Shamara-Dragon Lord : Talisman Australia : Tamara Kurtz-Dragoness : Tao Yu-Collective Man : T’Challa-Black Panther : Teresa Vasquez-FerdeLance : Tessa-Sage : Thomas Fireheart-Puma : Trey Rollins-Aegis : Tyrone Johnson-Cloak : Victor Mancha-Victorious : Viper-Madame Hydra : William Talltrees-Red Wolf : Yukio : Yukon Jack : Yuriko Oyama-Lady Deathstrike : Zuzha Yu-Puck : Or Your Choice



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1- Dani Moonstar
2-Sooraya Qadir-Dust
3 Sofia Mantega
Does marvel have any living argentinean character?


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Kieran Frost





1) Baron Helmut Zemo
2) Dust [Sooraya Qadir]
3) Swordsman [Andreas Strucker]
4) Skein [Sybil Dvorak]
5) Skin [Angelo Espinoza]
6) Radioactive Man [Dr. Chen Lu]
7) Wolverine [Daken Akihiro]
8) Omega Sentinel [Karima Shapandar]
9) Quicksand... giving her a name would be a good start on "expanding" her history ;\)
10) Silk Fever [Ming Li Ng]



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USAgentfan


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I dont agree with the concept of this poll at all. I see enough of this nonsense in the world already, positively discriminating in the interests of 'diversity'. I see plenty of this in my workplace and dont want it associated with my comics.

Can you imagine the uproar there would be if someone started a poll asking which white character should receive a push and stipulated that ethnic characters would not be considered? This is just as offensive and just as nonsical.

As far as I can see Marvel has done a pretty good job in recent years of promoting a number of ethnic minority characters such as the Black Panther and Luke Cage to name but two that I enjoy reading and theyve managed to do this without playing up on the fact that they are ethnic minorities and also moved away from painting these characters in the broad stereotypes that they used to.


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Gandolf Gray

I agree totally with you.



Why must there be this push for empty diversity and false p/c. Do not fill a slot in the roster of a team because you are filling an ethnic quota system, but because you have an interesting and well writen story. There ethnicity should not be more important that who they are as a character.




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These are all great characters worthy of greater attention and that is not necessarily because of their ethnicity.

1) T'challa - The Black Panther: go with the classic
2) Luke Cage - Power Man: NOT Luke Cage! And quit the back-sliding! Why is he so underpowered? Thor level strength or bust!
3) Ororo Munro - Storm
4) "Khan" - The Mandarin: Up there with with Doom and the Skull as pure menace!
4) EnSabah Nur - Apocalypse: ditto
6) Monica Rambeau - Pulsar
7) Shang Chi
8) Miguel Santos - The Living Lightning
9) Shiro Yoshida - Sunfire
10) Chen Lu - The Radioactive Man


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Buddy




I apologize if this is offensive, as it was not the intention....

Issues regarding race are always a sensitive subject when being introduced into the public community.

However, I would like to remind everybody that Marvel Comics is an inspiring tool that is sold in different languages all over the world, in different countries and different continents. That is something I wanted people to keep an "open-mind" about. Embrace diversity and what you can learn from different cultures and people. Heroes are people that bring diverse human beings together with the optimism to create positive change in the world together. Marvel Comics belongs to the world, not just America. However, keep an "open mind" that even America is supposed to be known as "the mixing pot" and the reason why it is so beautiful in the first place is because it embraces ethnic diversity to increase its ability to think new thoughts, promote teamwork, and see the world in possible new lights. This is Marvel Comics, these characters aren't here to steal your job or anything. Its fictional writing meant to inpire the world and make it a better place.

The US Army that I have served in war overseas is filled with admirable heroes of ethnic diversity, and I believe it is right and just for the world to see it too. Gandolf Gray just said "diversity is empty" CRAP MAN !!! Have you ever left your hometown before? You don't have to freak out because you're not used to seeing people who are different. This is the Year 2009 already, sir. Wake-Up!

I'm going to reword the instructions better. Thank you for letting me know where I have been ignorant in my sensitivity. I have to remember sensitivity.

Sincerely sorry for the misunderstanding,
Buddy

Let's just simply focus on ranking ten characters, okay?


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Kieran Frost





I mean just look to your first post, and to all the people you listed. That's a really good thing, surely? That's a good indicator that Marvel doesn't need to "focus" on diversity; because it's already there. You have over 160 names there, at-least. Awesome! Why does Marvel need to focus on ethnic diversity then?

Take New Avengers for instance?
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Leader: Luke Cage - black
Ms. Marvel - female, military
Spiderman
Spiderwoman - female and British
Ronin - orphan and "circus" person
Mockingbird - female, military
Wolverine - Canadian
Brother VooDoo - black
Stephen Strange
And of course, most are "super-beings" which means they are an ethnic group just on that factor. This is one of the main teams in Marvel; and it has only 2 white, American, heterosexual, "normal" (in terms of family background) male characters in it. And considering a very large chunk of Marvel readers are white, heterosexual, American males; I think that's a really good ratio. And does anyone care Luke Cage is black? I hope not. I hope when he was made leader no-one said "finally a black leader" because that shouldn't matter. Being black or white, male/female, gay/straight doesn't make you a better leader; or a better superhero.

Your poll was done with good intentions, but Marvel shouldn't EVER focus "more" or give "more attention" to a character because they are in an ethnic group. They should give focus to great characters, and bring into the fold great characters, and write about great characters. And if that character happens to be a female Vietnamese, all the power to them. But if they put her in purely BECAUSE she's a female Vietnamese, that's wrong. It's positive discrimination, and that's just wrong.

Hope this helped. \:\)



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    I mean just look to your first post, and to all the people you listed. That's a really good thing, surely? That's a good indicator that Marvel doesn't need to "focus" on diversity; because it's already there. You have over 160 names there, at-least. Awesome! Why does Marvel need to focus on ethnic diversity then?


No, all it shows is that Marvel has accumulated quite a sizeable number of "ethnic" characters heroes and villains (although I honestly don't understand what e.g. Arclight, Viper and Sage are doing on the list, they really are less "ethnic" than non-listed Shadowcat, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch), but not necessarily that this number is high enough or that Marvel can sit back complacently. You also could compile an even bigger list of female heroes and villains, but that would not "prove" that everything was all right with Marvel's portrayal and use of female characters, sorry.


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    And of course, most are "super-beings" which means they are an ethnic group just on that factor. This is one of the main teams in Marvel; and it has only 2 white, American, heterosexual, "normal" (in terms of family background) male characters in it. And considering a very large chunk of Marvel readers are white, heterosexual, American males; I think that's a really good ratio. And does anyone care Luke Cage is black? I hope not. I hope when he was made leader no-one said "finally a black leader" because that shouldn't matter. Being black or white, male/female, gay/straight doesn't make you a better leader; or a better superhero.


Defining "super-beings" as an ethnic group does not exactly strike me as a very honest argument, especially as (with the possible exception of mutants) they are not treated as one. (Also, last that I heard Ronin has no superpowers).

Hmmm, let's look at that list more closely. Clearly for you "white, male, US citizen" is the default, females, non-Caucasians and furriners are the weirdos. When a character is black, that is enough to mark him as "odd", then it is not necessary to also note that he's a foreigner (Brother Voodoo is Haitian). Then you add a number of completely irrelevant categories, like "military" (BTW, Wolverine would also qualify, but since she was a SHIELD agent, I don't really see Mockingbird as one), "orphan" (whoopdeedoo, superheroes being orphans is one of the most overused tropes in the genre; I'm not sure Dr. Strange isn't one (at least I don't remember his parents), Spider-Woman certainly was raised as if she was an orphan, and I have to say I'm surprised that you missed triple-orphaned Spider-Man - both his biological parents and his adoptive father were murdered) and even the somewhat ridiculous ""circus" person". One gets suspicious that these categories were added to distort the ratios a bit. Just a brief recap:
White/People of Color: 7-2
US Citizens/Foreigners: 6-3 (don't know if Spider-Woman or Brother Voodoo ever became naturalized US citizens, though)
North American/from overseas: 8-1 or 7-2, depending on whether you consider Haiti part of North America or not
Heterosexual/GLBT: 9-0
Male/Female: 6-3
"Normal" family background/orphanhood etc.: apparently 5-4 (Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, Ronin are the "abnormal" ones)
So the white, US, male, "normal" demographic is catered to pretty well if one does not assume that they can only empathize with a character who is like them in every single respect (otherwise they'd be out of luck, because they can't empathize with Spider-Man if they aren't orphans and not with Doctor Strange because they are not fully-qualified surgeons or because they are appreciably younger than him). ;\-\)

Oh, and it is all very well to say that ethnicity, skin-colour, religion, sexual orientation etc. SHOULDN'T matter, but in the real world such factors clearly do matter.


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    Your poll was done with good intentions, but Marvel shouldn't EVER focus "more" or give "more attention" to a character because they are in an ethnic group. They should give focus to great characters, and bring into the fold great characters, and write about great characters. And if that character happens to be a female Vietnamese, all the power to them. But if they put her in purely BECAUSE she's a female Vietnamese, that's wrong. It's positive discrimination, and that's just wrong.


Of course if creators always had stuck to your rule, we would have even less "ethnic" characters than we do at the moment and Luke Cage might not lead the New Avengers (after all, he started out as a slightly embarrassing blaxploitation stereotype, not exactly a "great character") and Brother Voodoo would not be his teammate (for most of his published existence the character was looked on as a joke by fans, vide his use by Fred Hembeck as a consistent butt of jokes). The thing is, in comics a writer can make a boring character great. But maybe a different counter-proposal to you: Since factors like race, ethnicity etc. shouldn't matter, why not simply make every newly-created male heroes from now until 2019 non-white? That should give no more cause for complaints than the fact that all Timely/Marvel superheroes created up until the mid-1960s were white. And for new characters you can't say that they would be better just because they are white! \:\-\)





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airwalker

wouldnt mind seeing more non white cosmic level characters



wouldnt mind seeing more non white cosmic level characters, perhaps a new herald of galactus, or some abtract cosmic entity, or some earth hero elevated to cosmic level


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