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REED RICHARDS




spider man must have a secret ID or else his family will suffer AND he will be sued all the time.

REED RICHARDS - doesn't need a SID everybodu knows him and his family and friends are powerful enough to take care of themselves.

so who else need/doesn't need it?


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mac




Northstar's identity isnt secret. He was a famour skiier when it was revealed he was a mutant.

I think Wonderman isnt secret either.

She-Hulk


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Reverend Meteor





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    spider man must have a secret ID or else his family will suffer AND he will be sued all the time.



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    REED RICHARDS - doesn't need a SID everybodu knows him and his family and friends are powerful enough to take care of themselves.



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    so who else need/doesn't need it?


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the majority of the members of the Thunderbolts due to their criminal records. I think Hawkeye even went to prison while he was a Thunderbolt so his secret identity should be public knowledge right? Not that he has a family left to protect anyways.

Many members of the New Warriors due to Hindsight leaking their secret identities on his website. Which is really sickening when you think about how he first ingratiated himself onto the team when he had Thrash rescue them from a group of gang members who had been kidnapping and murdering their relatives. Hindsight KNOWS how dangerous it is for that information to be leaked out...Rage's grandmother was killed because of it.

The fantastic four obviously. Did Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne have secret identities? Everyone seems to know who they are.






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Unstable Molecule


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In my opinion, anyone who's an official member of the Avengers, the FF or the X-Men doesn't need a secret identity. It's one thing to say that the Kingpin (or someone similar) would go after Spider-man's family, but I think Mr. Fisk would reconsider making a blood enemy of Spider-Man if he knew he'd be facing retaliation from the likes of Iron Man and Thor. This applies to members of any organized team like the three I mentioned. And the Hulk definitely doesn't need one - almost everyone he's ever been related to or friends with is now gamma irradiated in their own right these days (Betty, Gen. Ross, Jen Walters, Rick Jones, Doc Samson).

I think every mutant is registered anyway, so the X-Men's identities aren't really a secret. Ditto with the FF and an increasing amount of Avengers (Steve Rogers, Iron Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Black Widow, Carol Danvers, Hank Pym, Janet Van Dyne, Wonder Man, Black Panther...).




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ChrisBechtloff




I mean everyone knew Iron Man works for Stark even when they didnt know he was Stark. So to get at Iron Man you would still go after Stark.


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Daniel (First)




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mjyoung




I think the character needs the ability to blend into most scenes as a civilian. If Logan didn't have a mask, then his face would be instantly recognizable to the world. A big part of the character's personality is the fact that he is able to blend into a bar or similar scenarios if needed.

The rest of the X-Men don't really need masks for the most part because they don't interact with society by remaining anonymous.


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Michael






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    The fantastic four obviously. Did Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne have secret identities? Everyone seems to know who they are.


They did originally, but they revealed their identities in Avengers (vol.1) 75.

Michael


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Blargh





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    I think the character needs the ability to blend into most scenes as a civilian. If Logan didn't have a mask, then his face would be instantly recognizable to the world. A big part of the character's personality is the fact that he is able to blend into a bar or similar scenarios if needed.



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    The rest of the X-Men don't really need masks for the most part because they don't interact with society by remaining anonymous.


What we have with Logan is similar to Spider-Man getting unmasked. Pre-Civil War, unmasking Spider-Man often resulted in the villain thinknig he's just some average joe. Peter parker doesn't have any distinguishing physical characteristics. And besides his height and claws, neither does Logan. So even with a technically public identity, it doesn't hamper Logan's ability to do what he does.


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mjyoung






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    What we have with Logan is similar to Spider-Man getting unmasked. Pre-Civil War, unmasking Spider-Man often resulted in the villain thinknig he's just some average joe. Peter parker doesn't have any distinguishing physical characteristics. And besides his height and claws, neither does Logan. So even with a technically public identity, it doesn't hamper Logan's ability to do what he does.


Once Spider-Man's ID became public in Civil War, he was no longer able to maintain his previous lifestyle ie going to a bar for a drink. Once Logan is seen unmasked by the general public, whether in a press photo, recorded camera scene, etc. he would no longer be able to go out to a bar for a drink. Everytime he went to the airport, people would know who he was. If I saw Hugh Jackman at a bar, I would recognize him.


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        The rest of the X-Men don't really need masks for the most part because they don't interact with society by remaining anonymous.



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    What we have with Logan is similar to Spider-Man getting unmasked. Pre-Civil War, unmasking Spider-Man often resulted in the villain thinknig he's just some average joe. Peter parker doesn't have any distinguishing physical characteristics. And besides his height and claws, neither does Logan. So even with a technically public identity, it doesn't hamper Logan's ability to do what he does.


Who else has Logan's height AND hair?





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Reverend Meteor





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      What we have with Logan is similar to Spider-Man getting unmasked. Pre-Civil War, unmasking Spider-Man often resulted in the villain thinknig he's just some average joe. Peter parker doesn't have any distinguishing physical characteristics. And besides his height and claws, neither does Logan. So even with a technically public identity, it doesn't hamper Logan's ability to do what he does.



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    Once Spider-Man's ID became public in Civil War, he was no longer able to maintain his previous lifestyle ie going to a bar for a drink.


Does Peter Parker drink? I thought he was anti-drinking. (I remember his clone Ben Reilly got drunk once and made a big deal out of it being out of character from the real Peter).

Once Logan is seen unmasked by the general public, whether in a press photo, recorded camera scene, etc. he would no longer be able to go out to a bar for a drink. Everytime he went to the airport, people would know who he was. If I saw Hugh Jackman at a bar, I would recognize him.





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mjyoung





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    Does Peter Parker drink? I thought he was anti-drinking. (I remember his clone Ben Reilly got drunk once and made a big deal out of it being out of character from the real Peter).


There are a few examples of him drinking, such as when he got drunk and had sex with his roommate in a fairly recent issue (ASM 601).






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Naswho




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swmcbf




Yeah and frankly anyone who saw him in battle W/uniform-also hearing him talk-would recognise him in civilian clothes immediatly.I guess anyone who hadnt seen him or heard his voice wouldnt know him on in street clothes.Maybe he should be wearing glasses and slouching more.


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mjyoung





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    Yeah and frankly anyone who saw him in battle W/uniform-also hearing him talk-would recognise him in civilian clothes immediatly.I guess anyone who hadnt seen him or heard his voice wouldnt know him on in street clothes.Maybe he should be wearing glasses and slouching more.


Let's assume that hearing someone talk and only seeing the lower part of their face does not mean that there identity would be known, because it would mean characters like Daredevil, Batman, etc would no longer have a secret identity.

Let's also assume that if someone sees Logan's hair they don't think he is Wolverine automatically based on the shape of his hair, because it would also mean that they might think he is Hawkeye. Or that characters with a regular mask would assumingly be bald characters.

It's clear that Wolverine is in the public eye. He has had numerous battles in broad daylight in major cities, whether with the X-Men or Avengers. The general public knows he exists and have seen him in costume.

The question is whether Wolverine should have a secret identity. There are a few reasons why a character would need one. Some like Spider-Man do it to protect their loved ones. Another reason is because the character would want a degree of anonymity when they aren't in costume. This would allow the characters to be able to go out in public and yet not become recognized.

My opinion is that Wolverine is the kind of character that needs his anonymity. Unlike some other public characters, he interacts regularly with the regular population (ie goes out for a drink in a bar). Being a street level fighter and interacting with regular criminals is just one of the common stories that are told with the character.


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Alex




The old Logan Wolverine didn't even know who he was, so I guess the only reason to wear the mask is when he was with the X-Men.




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