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Judging not the amount of work, but the quality of the body of work they did, do you think the follwing writers & artists did better work for Marvel or for DC? And why?

Jack Kirby
Steve Englehart
Keith Giffin
Geoff Johns
Roy Thomas
George Perez
The Kubert Brothers
Jim Starlin
John Byrne
Jim Lee
Neal Adams
Chris Claremont
Walt Simonson
Louise Simonson
Roger Stern
Marv Wolfman
Frank Miller

*and remember there are no right or wrong answers...just right opinions*


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Psifaxx





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    Judging not the amount of work, but the quality of the body of work they did, do you think the follwing writers & artists did better work for Marvel or for DC? And why?



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    Jack Kirby
    Hands down. His Marvel work in the 60s remains unsurpassed



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    Steve Englehart
    Although I loved his Batmans with Marshall Rogers, his best work was on Marvels Avengers



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    Keith Giffin
    I prefer his DC work over Marvel. His Legion was classic



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    Geoff Johns
    DC. His Avengers pales to his JSA and Flash runs



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    Jim Lee
    Marvel. Best X-Men artist since Byrne left the series.



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    Roy Thomas
    DC, his Golden Age stuff is superior to even his run on Avengers



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    George Perez
    A tough one. I guess DC since he made the Teen Titans cool.



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    The Kubert Brothers
    Marvel. They made me forget who Jim Lee was in the 90s



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    Jim Starlin
    Marvel. Adam Warlock, Thanos & Captain Mar-Vell rule over OMAC



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    John Byrne
    Marvel. Although he made Superman cool again for the first time. His FF run has yet to be surpassed



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    Neal Adams
    DC, even though his X-Men issues are some of my all-time favorites, I'd still read Green Lantern/Green Arrow first



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    Walt Simonson
    Marvel. Thor was kick asgardian hands down



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    Louise Simonson
    Marvel. Enjoyed her Superman stuff, but X-Factor & Power Pack were better



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    Roger Stern
    DC. Hey he made the Will Payton Starman a hero of my hometown. That trumps his Spidey & Avengers work right there



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    Marv Wolfman
    Marvel. NOVA. Nuff said



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    Frank Miller
    Another tough one. Dark Knight or Elektra...gotta go with Marvel



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    *and remember there are no right or wrong answers...just right opinions*





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Jeff Harey


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Kirby's 60s Marvel work was the best in his career, IMO. He may have had more creative freedom in the 1970s, but his artwork suffered without the inkers he had at Marvel and the characters he created at DC and later suffered without a foil such as Stan Lee or Joe Simon.

Englehart's best work was at Marvel, but it was his Captain America work which was his best (the 50s Cap, Nomad and the Secret Empire series).

Giffen's best work was his early LSH work at DC, followed by his work in the Anniliation series for Marvel. His JLI work was bad comedy, which resulted in the eventual killing off of the Ted Kord Blue Beetle.

I agree with you about Johns, although I'd loved to see him have a longer Avengers run. Maybe if he had, we'd been spared "Diassembled" and "Civil War".

Lee's best work was X-Men. His DC work has suffered because of his corporate responsibilities.

Perez: New Teen Titans, although his later Avengers work was great, too.

The Kubert Brothers' best work was at Marvel, basically since they didn't have their father's shadow to follow as they did at DC. Although, I'd loved to have seen a Sgt. Rock story by them with or without their father.

Starlin: The Death of Captain Marvel alone beats his DC work.

Byrne: His X-Men work along with Claremont redefined them. His FF run was the second-best to Lee/Kirby.

Adams' Batman work, GL/GA and Deadman remain a standard for younger artists to follow.

Both Simonsons' best work was at Marvel as you said. Walt's Thor and Louise's Power Pack were among, or in her case, their respective series' peaks.

Stern's been good wherever he's went, but his Cap run with Byrne stood out as his best work. The Machinesmith story, the Baron Blood story, Cap for President and the origin story, which combined three different Cap origins and filled in the gaps of the Simon/Kirby early issues smoothly, were all good-to-great.

Wolfman's Tomb of Dracula and New Teen Titans tied, though the latter series got mired down in the endless Brother Blood saga and suffered without Perez. I'd go with his Marvel work, including Spider-Man.

Miller's Daredevil work goes over his Dark Knight work, because the former redefined the character. Also, his attitude towards Denny O'Neill, a great writer and the guy who gave him his big break as an artist and writer, is deplorable.


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LegsDiamond5




Jack Kirby- Marvel. "Nuff Said"
I agree with most of your answers except for two, Jim Lee and Frank Miller. I guess I'm biased but I didn't enjoy much from the 90's so that probably skews my view in regards to Lee's 90's X-Men run. As for Miller I have to go with Dark Knight since it is a classic in my book.
As for Byrne, let's not forget his classic X-Men, Avengers West Coast, and Alpha Flight runs as well.


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Hatman





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    Judging not the amount of work, but the quality of the body of work they did, do you think the follwing writers & artists did better work for Marvel or for DC? And why?


Jack Kirby - Definitely Marvel. Kirby did his best work when paired with Stan Lee.

Keith Giffin - I'm a huge fan of Giffen's Justice League work so I've got to go with DC here.

Geoff Johns - DC hands down. Johns is responsible for so many amazing story arcs at DC (Flash, Green Lantern, JSA, etc), he's their Bendis except he knows how to write team books.

George Perez - I could go either way with Perez. Teen Titans was pretty big for him obviously but his Avengers run was first-rate as well. Considering he was tapped as the penciller for JLA/Avengers I'm gonna declare this one a tie.

The Kubert Brothers - I know they were DC exclusive for awhile but I always associate them with Marvel.

John Byrne - He's had impact at both companies but I think he has more classics with Marvel; Alpha Flight, X-Men, Fantastic Four, even his Namor run was really good.

Chris Claremont - I didn't even know Claremont had done any work for DC!

Walt Simonson - No writer has made such an impact on a character as Simsonson did on Thor, IMHO.

Louise Simonson - I could go either way here.

Roger Stern - Another tough call. I'm a big fan of his Spider-Man run but he's also been instrumental on Superman as well. Calling this one a draw.

Marv Wolfman - Marv has done a lot of work for Marvel but I tend to think of him as a DC man first, since he did Crisis and Teen Titans.

Frank Miller - I'm not a big Frank Miller fan, honestly (I can't stand his art on mainstream superheroes, don't mind it for Sin City though), but I tend to think of Dark Knight before Daredevil.

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Psifaxx





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    Chris Claremont - I didn't even know Claremont had done any work for DC!


If you didn't get a chance to read his SOVEREIGN SEVEN series for DC, then you should count yourself lucky. It was so horribly bad that if you tried to read it online these days your monitor would probably shut itself down. It definitely wasn't worth the trees killed for the paper it was printed on.


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TJ Burns





Jack Kirby - Hard one. I'm going with DC based on the fact that Kirby's solo stuff there is better integrated. Darkseid really puts him over the top.

Steve Englehart - Another hard one... Englehart's runs at both companies are my favorites in those titles EVER. I'm going to go DC solely because Marvel's had a bad habit of kneecapping Englehart's runs while DC has mostly let him finish, although they jumped on the bandwagon for his excellent GLC. (DC Editorial in the late 80s-90s apparently hated me PERSONALLY on the GL books.)

Keith Giffin - While I love his Defenders, his JLI is much better. Plus, y'know, Ambush Bug. \:\)

Geoff Johns - Johns' Avengers had none of the fun of his AWESOME JSA, Green Lantern, and Hawkman runs.

Roy Thomas - Great stuff at both companies, but his Conan and Avengers at Marvel simply outclass his All-Star Squadron, due to CRISIS destroying that title.

George Perez - I like his Marvel stuff better, although I appreciate his JLA run. Hard call, though.

The Kubert Brothers - I actually had no idea they HAD DC stuff...

Jim Starlin - His Marvel stuff is eons above his DC, although his original Mongul and Batman work amuses me. That said, thank God someone stopped him before he could revamp Hawkman again! Now if only the New Gods could get a restraining order against him... \:\)

John Byrne - His Marvel stuff's lots better... classic even. Much as I like businessman Luthor and all, his FF and Alpha Flight blow it out of the water.

Jim Lee - His DC stuff works better for me... he's really grown as an artist since the 90s.

Neal Adams - Hard call, but his DC stuff seems more iconic to me. But his stuff during the Kree-Skrull war was magnificent.

Chris Claremont - Marvel, in that his original X-Men stuff's great, and the only DC stuff I've seen was his horrifically bad JLA arc.

Walt Simonson - Marvel... his Thor run's the pinnacle of comics for me, whereas at DC, he hasn't clicked as well. I COULD just be bitter someone changed the Hawk title to HawkGIRL and focused it on that awful Kendra as soon as he got onboard though.

Louise Simonson - For some odd reason, I actually can't place a single DC thing she's ever done...

Roger Stern - Really hard call, but I'm going with Marvel on the strength of his Avengers, Dr. Strange, and Spider-Man.

Marv Wolfman - His Titans started great and then went downhill by far, but since I can't actually place anything he did at Marvel nearly as good...

Frank Miller - Marvel. His Daredevil run shows his storytelling strengths way better than self-contained projects.


TJB



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Em, how the hell are ya? Its been a long time. (Well my fault actually, I took time away from the internet for a few years but I'll be around more often.) Glad to see you're still around. We'll keep in touch more often now.


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Jack Kirby: 1960's Marvel hands down...

Steve Englehart: I'll vote Marvel, his work on the Avengers and FF were pretty decent.

Keith Giffin: DC easily...

Geoff Johns: DC...

Roy Thomas: Marvel -- good strong runs with Conan, X-Men, Avengers, Hulk...

George Perez: Hmmm, I'd say Marvel. Avengers & Perez (both in the `70's and 2000's.)

The Kubert Brothers: Marvel -- they grew as artists there with X-Men & Wolverine...

Jim Starlin: Marvel -- Warlock, Thanos and all the cosmic minis.

John Byrne: Marvel -- he'll never live down his contributions to the X-Men line, and his FF stuff is highly praised, but you've got small gems like Alpha Flight, WCA, Namor, Hulk, Marvel Team-Up that sneak in there.

Jim Lee: I hate to say it, but DC. He made waves at Marvel with Punisher and the X-Men, but went to bigger and better things with Batman and Superman. Dude's co-publisher of DC now...

Neal Adams: DC...

Chris Claremont: Marvel. The man ruled the X-Men universe for almost 20 years that'll never go away and his DC work -- ummmmm, what the hell was S7 about anyway??

Walt Simonson: Marvel. Thor, FF, and X-Factor...

Louise Simonson: Tie for me. I'd say X-Factor and New Mutants, but she had a helluva run on Superman: The Man of Steel too...

Roger Stern: Marvel -- ASM, Captain America and the Avengers.

Marv Wolfman: DC...

Frank Miller: Marvel...





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Naswho




Why'd you have to go and make me think like that?

Kirby - It'd be the obvious answer to just go ahead and say Marvel cos he created the universe almost singlehandedly, but have you read Kirby's DC stuff? There are so many fantastic ideas in there that the Marvel Universe wouldn't have been able to contain at the time. OMAC, The Demon, The Fourth World and all the rest. Such good books. Marvel prolly still wins this round, but damn, his DC was awesome.

Steve Englehart - Marvel
Keith Giffin - DC
Geoff Johns - DC. Definitely DC.
Roy Thomas - Marvel
George Perez - DC. His Wonder Woman run. His Teen Titans run.
The Kubert Brothers - Marvel. While I think Andy is a fantastic Batman artist, Adam's work somehow just looks better in the Marvel Universe.

Jim Starlin - Ooo. Uhhh. Marvel.
John Byrne - I'm not a fan, but Marvel.
Jim Lee - Yikes. He's kinda responsible for making X-Men into an epic marketing franchise in a lot of ways (I know it had multiple books long before he was around, but most people my age know X-Men cos of Jim Lee, not Chris Claremont), and I've never been a massive fan of the books he's done at DC lately ("Hush" or "All Star"), so Marvel.

Neal Adams - Marvel
Chris Claremont - Marvel
Walt Simonson - Marvel
Louise Simonson - Marvel
Roger Stern - Marvel
Marv Wolfman - DC. He did the iconic comic event right there and, of course, the Teen Titans.
Frank Miller - Ooo. His older Batman work is iconic and influenced the character for decades, but his Daredevil and Elektra stuff has been just as powerful. That being said, I think "Year One" is one of his best achievments. DC.


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The Beetle





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    Judging not the amount of work, but the quality of the body of work they did, do you think the follwing writers & artists did better work for Marvel or for DC? And why?


Jack Kirby

Definitly Marvel!

Steve Englehart

Tough one, his Avengers and Captain America are brilliant, his West Coast Avengers not so great, and most of his Fantastic Four was terrible, but anyway.... Marvel \:\)

Keith Giffin

DC, Legion and Justice League were fantastic

Geoff Johns

DC

Roy Thomas

A tie \:\)

George Perez

DC (Crisis and New Titans beats anything)

The Kubert Brothers

Marvel (mostly because I don't think I've seen their DC work) \:\)

Jim Starlin

DC

John Byrne

Marvel for his X-Men and Fantastic Foru work

Jim Lee

Marvel

Neal Adams

DC

Chris Claremont

Marvel definitly!

Walt Simonson

Marvel

Louise Simonson

Marvel

Roger Stern

Marvel, his Amazing Spider-Man and Avengers are among my alltime favourite work...

Marv Wolfman

A tie New Titans and Crisis are some of the best work for DC ever, and Nova and Tomb of Dracula for Marvel are equally fantastic... oh yeah and I love his Fantastic Four and Nghtwing as well

Frank Miller

Tough call... his Daredevil was fantastic but his Batman was also great. I guess I have to say his Marvel..... ehm Dc.... argh Marvel.... naah Dc.... oh okay it's a tie.... \:\)



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