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I loved marvels recent cosmic stories. Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, Annhiliation, Conquest, etc. rocked. But I couldn't help but thinking What books would I do if I did the cosmics? Here is my ideas.

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXIES: Note the plural: After the Thanos Initiative made the guardians fall apart the galactic council appointed a group of heros to defend the major galaxies and also serve to maintain between them. Serving as both go betweens and protectors of the kree, skrull, shi'ar, and baddoon.

Beta Ray Bill
Ronan
Silver Surfer
Quasar
Nova (when he returns, see below)
Praetorian

GUARDIANS LEGACY: Inspired by my love of the original future GotG and Quills group, as well as the reveal in a thunderbolts issue that a Guardians of the Galaxy existed in the distant past as well. This limited series focuses on a single event that unfolds over time, starting in the past, ending in the future, with every team of guardians involved.

COSMIC AVENGERS: assembled to defend earth and it's solar system from threats from beyond.

Justice (with rumors of martians and badoon on the way he has to go into space somehow)
Mantis
Starfox
Hercules
Living Lightning
Monica

MISFITS: This is my favorite team idea on the list. Once Peter Quill returns from the Cancerverse he finds the Guardians scattered and gone their own ways. He finds rocket and groot and manages to assemble the universes least likely heros.

Starlord
Rocket Raccoon
Groot
Impossible Man
Glom
Warlock (the technarch)
U.S. Archer

NOVA AND THE NOVA CORPS: Between the last of his Nova force and Quills cosmic cube, Nova and starlord made their way back to our universe. nova is once again Nova prime and leader of the corps. This book will deal with Richard Ryder, but also will focus a bit on other corps members with back up stories and occasional spotlight issues.

QUASAR: The title protector of the universe becomes all the more literal when Eternity himself gives Wendell a power up and appoints him his personal guardian. Confronting threats that make eternity himself afraid is a big issue. But as the defender of the universe that is his role.

STAR THIEF: Earth eploited space, he rebelled and sought refuge among the isolationist inhumans who would never take advantage of another civilization... or so he thought. Now with the inhumans conquoring the kree and warring with the shi'ar Ditmal left in disgust. He sees to it to oppose any galactic empire who dares exploit or invade others.

CAPTAIN UNIVERSE - LOCKED: The baddoon have been waiting for a long long time for this. Despite being the major power of the milky way they waited on the sidelines as other empires challenged earth and lost. they knew earth was strong, and its nexus contested. But for the second time ever a baddoon hosts the unipower. And through their science they locked the power in place, trapping it in its host. but is their host a loyal soldier or a rebel with his own plans?

What no silver surfer series? Sorry, whether Norrin is starring as a deus ex machina, a depressed man mourning over lost love, or a obedient slave of Galactus he has never interested me as a solo character.


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Let D&A do their Annihilation & Thanos Imperative stories that they do so well.

Just do them in a semi-self contained way. (with continuity from one magazine to the next)

2-4 times a year, Marvel releases a BIG issue that has a fairly self contained story.

Sell a self-contained Annihilation magazine. Maybe a second one for the tie-ins.

Since the price point would be significantly higher, Marvel may be able to get it into the grocery stores, 7-11s, etc...

Story lines and character development would follow from one issue to the next, but largely someone could pick it up off the newsstand and read it and "get" it. Just like Stan wanted.


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Reverend Meteor




um...my horrible lineup.

Starhawk
Aleta
Quasar
Kismet
Adam Warlock
Major Victory/Astro
Justice
Firestar
The Uranian

let all of them just sort out their respective issues. Major Astro and Justice are both Vance Astrovik from different timelines. Justice nearly married Firestar and Major Astro nearly married Aleta. Aleta was married to Starhawk. Starhawk is Quasar and Kismet's son. Kismet is Adam Warlock's "sister". The Uranian, Quasar and Justice all used the codename Marvel Boy.

Personally I've always wanted to see a prolonged story arc where Major Astro and Justice had to interact...particularly if it involved them working with someone who knows both of them like Cap. Maybe they could talk about Justice killing his dad or finding out their dad was gay. Plus I've always wanted to see Starhawk interact with his modern day parents.


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mjyoung





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    I loved marvels recent cosmic stories. Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, Annhiliation, Conquest, etc. rocked. But I couldn't help but thinking What books would I do if I did the cosmics? Here is my ideas.


Absolutely loved Annihilation, but the subsequent stories were just so bad that I had to leave. Think there is a lot of potential in the cosmic section of Marvel, but it needs to be done right. I'll take the opposite approach and really limit the line. If it can't support two titles, it's not going to support eight. Less is more.

- For 12 months, I'd put a restriction on all cosmic characters and stories. No miniseries, cosmic characters or ideas appearing anywhere else. The exception would be titles that are currently using those things, so Hickman would be able to continue his story with Galactus.
- Create a new Annihilation like event based around the return of the Phoenix. Would feature the return of Nova, Star-Lord, Thanos, Black Bolt, Vulcan, Drax, and various others. This event would set up the new status quo for the cosmic section.

Guardians of the Galaxy - Similar to the previous incarnation, but with more popular characters. Line up would include characters like Quasar, Photon, Drax, Genis as Captain Marvel, Rocket Raccoon, Moondragon, Mantis, and others. Peter David would be the first name that comes to mind, since he's strong in team books and has experience with some of the characters and other cosmic stories.

Nova - Similar to the previous incarnation, but serves under Steve Rogers as part of the Avengers. His role would be Earth's protector from cosmic threats. Project Pegasus gets a new purpose as the agency that handle's Earth's relationship with anything cosmic, of which Nova is connected with. This allows him to have a stable supporting cast. This would also allow Nova to be a part of the Avengers teams if a slot opens up.




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REED RICHARDS




why Defenders and not Avengers you ask?

good question dude!

the concept of defenders is a non team, big heroes that come together only when a big problem is coming. this way we can use for each arch a diffrent cosmic "team" and use any cosmic hero we want.

a good team can be:

Quasar
FIRELORD
Gladiator
Beta ray bill
Wraith
Skaar (he can be a great cosmic warrior)
Black bolt
Groot





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mjyoung





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    why Defenders and not Avengers you ask?



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    good question dude!



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    the concept of defenders is a non team, big heroes that come together only when a big problem is coming. this way we can use for each arch a diffrent cosmic "team" and use any cosmic hero we want.


The concept of the Defenders (I think in most people's minds) is a team that consists of Dr. Strange, the Silver Surfer, Namor, and the Hulk. The whole non-team isn't a real purpose, just something that the sales department tried to come up with to seem unique. I do think that the name Defenders is a great name for a superhero team though, it just needs to find the right fit for a team that will stick around. I suggest the magical/mystical team.

I think it's a necessity for the cosmic team to stick with the Guardians of the Galaxy name. GotG is also a really good superhero name, which others have already tried to emulate (Kirkman's Guardians of the Globe). Throughout the years there has never been a stable name for the cosmic team but we've had a couple of names such as the Infinity Watch, StarMasters, GotG, Annihilators, Heralds, and so on. There's also a really good chance that the next name to be used will be Cosmic Avengers, which Marvel has already hinted at.

GotG provides stability, and allows Marvel to have their own distinguishable brand for the cosmic team. Attaching the word "Avenger(s)" to a title is no guarantee of success, as we've seen in titles like Pet Avengers and Doctor Voodoo Avenger of the Supernatural.

And also, you can't have a title with no stable cast of characters. One of the reasons people pick up a select title is because they know what characters are going to be featured.


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FirstChAoS







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    The concept of the Defenders (I think in most people's minds) is a team that consists of Dr. Strange, the Silver Surfer, Namor, and the Hulk. The whole non-team isn't a real purpose, just something that the sales department tried to come up with to seem unique. I do think that the name Defenders is a great name for a superhero team though, it just needs to find the right fit for a team that will stick around. I suggest the magical/mystical team.


Though I never read the original defenders series I tried to read a few of the recent defenders reboots. With the exception of the Geffin and Demattis humor one most of the Defender series I read were awful.

I like the teams name, I feel as a name it is better than Avengers. But I hate the bickering non-team concept. (between that and bad writing that goes nowhere is why I quit New Avengers, If I didn't like a non-team their I wouldn't like it here).

Plus the core characters have little appeal to me. I hate Namor, I am neutral on Strange, Silver Surfers personality always seemed bland on me and I have seen several variations on his personality in guest/supporting appearances over the years, and though I like hulk in his own books I never seen him do well in any team besides warbound and his hulk family.

I think the name defenders is good and alot of the minor characters must have potential (all underused minor characters do). But I feel in order for defenders to make an impact nowadays they need to drop the big four and the non-team concept. That and get a good writer.


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      I loved marvels recent cosmic stories. Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy, Annhiliation, Conquest, etc. rocked. But I couldn't help but thinking What books would I do if I did the cosmics? Here is my ideas.



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    Absolutely loved Annihilation, but the subsequent stories were just so bad that I had to leave. Think there is a lot of potential in the cosmic section of Marvel, but it needs to be done right. I'll take the opposite approach and really limit the line. If it can't support two titles, it's not going to support eight. Less is more.


I would disagree with you alot. Nova was one of the best books I read in a while and aside from the occasional bad art Guardians was good too. I would take it over Hulk any day for instance. I think having two titles for the entire cosmic landscape is pretty limited honestly.


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    - For 12 months, I'd put a restriction on all cosmic characters and stories. No miniseries, cosmic characters or ideas appearing anywhere else. The exception would be titles that are currently using those things, so Hickman would be able to continue his story with Galactus.

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    - Create a new Annihilation like event based around the return of the Phoenix. Would feature the return of Nova, Star-Lord, Thanos, Black Bolt, Vulcan, Drax, and various others. This event would set up the new status quo for the cosmic section.


I could go for that.


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    Guardians of the Galaxy - Similar to the previous incarnation, but with more popular characters. Line up would include characters like Quasar, Photon, Drax, Genis as Captain Marvel, Rocket Raccoon, Moondragon, Mantis, and others. Peter David would be the first name that comes to mind, since he's strong in team books and has experience with some of the characters and other cosmic stories.


I would not mind Peter David on a cosmic book, although I would pick DnA again for an ongoing, just not on events. Although Thanos Imperative was better.


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    Nova - Similar to the previous incarnation, but serves under Steve Rogers as part of the Avengers. His role would be Earth's protector from cosmic threats. Project Pegasus gets a new purpose as the agency that handle's Earth's relationship with anything cosmic, of which Nova is connected with. This allows him to have a stable supporting cast. This would also allow Nova to be a part of the Avengers teams if a slot opens up.


I think he is wasted on Earth honestly. He is already on Secret Avengers, until he died.




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mjyoung





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    I would disagree with you alot. Nova was one of the best books I read in a while and aside from the occasional bad art Guardians was good too. I would take it over Hulk any day for instance. I think having two titles for the entire cosmic landscape is pretty limited honestly.


I continuously see people rave about how great a title Nova is, but I never see anyone explain why. So I would love to hear your reasoning. Here's mine why the title was bad. Just three for brevity.

- Not a good direction - If I asked you what the overall purpose of the title was, what would you say outside of "the adventures of Richard Rider as Nova"? During Annihilation Nova was (thankfully) moving away from the Green Lantern Corps ripoff of being part of the Nova Corps since it was destroyed, and became the sole wielder of the Nova Force. Yet when DNA got control of the character they suddenly moved the concept back to the Nova Corps model and seemingly the title was about rebuilding the Nova Corps. Since this was the only book out of Annihilation, it would have seemed natural to either continue on the journey of being the only Nova out there, or at least continue on with ideas from that series. Instead DNA seemed to move completely away from those things that made readers interested in the first place.

- No supporting cast - For the most part, it seemed the title didn't have any ongoing characters outside of Nova. There was no love interest, so that when Marvel did have to put a love interest on a title for the 80s variants they had to use Gamora, who which had a brief fling with during Annihilation. There was no main villain for the series, no companion. Of course this changed somewhat during the end when he got involved with Namora and Darkhawk, but at that point it was too late.

- No spotlight - Nova was obviously the main character for the first Annihilation series, which we can all agree was a critical success and somewhat of a commercial one. But as soon as the big cosmic stories came around, he was a minor player once again. For Annihilation Conquest he was off doing a side mission for most of the event, and seemed to only appeared in the main series for the last issue. His roles in War of Kings and Realm of Kings seems to have been relatively minor. Now it's easy to explain away that these stories were meant to give spotlights to characters like Star-Lord, Black Bolt, or even Gladiator, but Nova didn't have that luxury to give that spotlight away. Marvel seemed to want Nova to be their prime cosmic hero, yet they didn't give him the part.


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    I think he is wasted on Earth honestly. He is already on Secret Avengers, until he died.


I'm not sure if I would count a three issue storyline where he was possessed as an indication of anything. I am curious to see what Brubaker's plans were for the character if there were any.

Marvel really needs a number one cosmic character, it's a role they've toyed with over the years but they've never stuck to any one character. It's been Captain Marvel (pick one), the Silver Surfer, Quasar, and so on. Nova seems to be a good choice.

I think there are too many benefits in putting Nova on an Avengers team. If the goal is to make him your number one cosmic character, which I assume is the idea, placing him with the Avengers gives the character instant credibility. It certainly increases his chances for licensing and appearing in other media. Replace Protector on the main team with Nova and I think you put the character in a much better position and allow an increased chance of him having his own adventures.




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