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Which super villains do you think are broken and how would you fix them? Which super villains do think are in rut, story wise and how would you get them out of it?

Personally I think the Wizard's in a real rut, forming Frightful Four to defeat the Ff for the past 40 years, he should set his sights a little lower, he would be a dangerous street level villain, but the FF seem out of his league. He should at least get a clue and try to form an Evil Eight next time.


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Wrecking Crew: They've been taken down WAY too many times in a short period of time, and far too easily. In order to fix them, I'd actually break them up for a while. Let them build up reps solo, let Thunderball use his brains, and give Piledriver & Bulldozer personalities that matter. Then bring them back together after a few years and make them a force to be reckoned with.

Sandman: The guy had a really nice long term redemption arc that crossed over multiple titles. Then, he gets brainwashed back into being a bad guy? Let's see Wizard's work wear off, but have him still act criminally for a while because he just doesn't know what else to do. Then, I dunno give him to the Thunderbolts? Or is that too obvious... Secret Avengers?

The most recent Phantom Rider: I LOVE The Lost in Time/Space West Coast Avengers arc. I love the whole Phantom Rider/Mockingbird thing. Putting the Phantom Rider in a female body really dulls the edge on the whole rape thing. It makes it less immediate when they are fighting. Let this last Phantom Rider truly escape possession, and then the evil Phantom Rider can try again.


Oddball: A cool villain for Hawkeye. He was crazy, he's vicious. Then he got saddled with the Death Throws. Let Oddball go a little nuts, and kill all of them. Maybe even Bombshell. (ooh, maybe she dumped him for Ring Leader or something) Then he can go back to being crazy/delusional on his own.

The Hood: Oh, dear lord, the Hood. His limited series was GREAT! Built up a supporting cast, put Parker in a position where there were lots of interesting stories to tell. Then it ALL gets tossed out the window so he can be remade into the Super-Villain Kingpin. He's getting respect and making connections in the super-villain world out of nowhere. And now he's getting tossed around as a pawn with exchangable powers. He's never going to be what he could have been. Put the poor guy in prison for a while. When he comes out maybe there's a good story for giving him back his original boots & hood; maybe not. The most important thing is the moral ambiguity. The idea that the guy could go either way. Then build it up SLOWLY.

Coronary: Psionex is a great super-human group. Every member is interesting. Coronary could control autonomic functions in others. Then he got "shattered". When he put himself back together he started using his powers to control his own body. Then he just became a brick, and not even using the fact that he's essentially broken glass. He's just strong.  How to fix him?  Lay off the super-strength.  Maybe he can manipulate his body into doing it for limited ammounts of time.  Play up the broken glass thing instead.  Make him more of a cutter than a puncher.  At least that's somewhat unique.  Maybe he also manipuates the size and shape of his body...
Those are my favorites right now...


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jwmccay3




To tell the truth, there are just too many. I think that some of the problem is that the villains have become too static...fighting the exact same heroes for forty (and nearly fifty) years at this point. I think that they need to branch out a little, like they were doing in the late 80s and early 90s. Just because Hobgoblin and Green Goblin are in Spidey's rogues gallery does not mean that they should not be in someone else's rogue's gallery as well. Don't even get me started on the X-villains, who (outside of Magneto) only seem to encounter X-characters.

With all of the solid characters struggling to get/keep their own titles, I really believe that there should be some branching out of the villains, so I'm going to focus on the second- and third-tier heroes and incorporating established villains into their rogues galleries.

Dr. Strange--Whatever happened to characters like Diablo (FF villain)and Darkoth the Death Demon (FF villain)? They would make interesting characters to battle Strange, especially Diablo, an alchemist from the 1500s. Maybe bring in a backstory with an encounter between Diablo & the Ancient One that involves some mystical object. Demogoblin should be another Strange addition, with Demo taking out his crusade on mystical characters.

Hawkeye/Mockingbird/Black Widow--First off, they should be in a 60s/70s style split book. It would work...end of story. As for the villains, I know that the Iron Man villain Ghost has been reworked, but he would have made a perfect villain for these three. Baron Strucker would be an interesting addition, especially because of the spy angle of two out of the three characters. Bringing in a resurrected Nathan Garrett Black Knight would be cool. Ditto for a new Night Shift.

Man-Thing--There was an old character from Marvel Two-In-One named Bragadoom, a mutated vegetation. I remember the old Man-Thing/Glob battles that were excellent. Another villain that would be good for Manny would be a Spidey villain/misunderstood character from the late 1990s named D.K., whose power focused on decaying beings. Would be interesting with Manny's regenerative powers.


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    Which super villains do you think are broken and how would you fix them? Which super villains do think are in rut, story wise and how would you get them out of it?


The Mandarin - Iron Man is one of Marvel's biggest heroes, and the Mandarin is his clear top villain. Yet the Mandarin is a character that IMO never really fit as Iron Man's foe with his mystical nature. He's also lacked a clear and good purpose as a villain. What's his motivation? A goal like "ruling the world" is both cliched and stupid.
    The first thing that should change is his motivation, or at least this should be clear to the reader what his actual goal is: to be rich. Of the countless major villains we've seen, we don't really have any bad guys that just want to get rich. This would make him a natural rival of Starks, who is basically Marvel's richest hero. The Mandarin would also be in control of a vast corporate empire with a interest in technology based companies, again making him a natural rival of Starks. We've also seen the emersion of Asian companies dominating the technology market, which would be compared to the American technology of Tony Stark.
    The next step would be to build up his henchmen, as Mandarin vs. Stark fights are only interesting to a point. Using the technology from his rings, the Mandarin would create powerful henchmen based on the powers of the rings. This would be a good way to incorporate the older villains from Iron Man's rogues gallery and revamp them. Suddenly a villain like Firebrand is much more powerful with technology from the Flame Blast Ring.

The Jackal - While Marvel has the Thinkerer, who for the most part is the technology guru for villains, there needs to be genetic counterpart for the villains as well. The Jackal would be perfect for this role, where he is a natural fit to give genetic enchancements to characters, heal them, clone them, etc. Want to explain a bad guy acting out of character? One of the Jackal's clones. Want to explain how a character is ressurected without explanation? One of the Jackal's clones.

Taskmaster - Take him back to the Udon costume, and make him a mercenary for hire again. He doesn't need to be a true bad guy.

Venom - Go back to Eddie Brock. He's the ideal Venom for most fans, and gets rid of the stupid Anti-Venom character.





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mjyoung





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    To tell the truth, there are just too many. I think that some of the problem is that the villains have become too static...fighting the exact same heroes for forty (and nearly fifty) years at this point. I think that they need to branch out a little, like they were doing in the late 80s and early 90s. Just because Hobgoblin and Green Goblin are in Spidey's rogues gallery does not mean that they should not be in someone else's rogue's gallery as well. Don't even get me started on the X-villains, who (outside of Magneto) only seem to encounter X-characters.


Agree that there should be more crossing over with respect to villains, but it has to make sense for the story. Wolverine hunting down the Lizard would be a natural story. Certain villains need to be moved from specific heroes corners and into the greater context of the Marvel Universe. There is no reason why X-Men villains like Arcade and Mojo shouldn't be used for characters like the Fantastic Four, Avengers, or Spider-Man. There's nothing about Arcade that makes him a natural foe for the X-Men, though there is a natural reason why the Green Goblin is used for Spider-Man.


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    Hawkeye/Mockingbird/Black Widow--First off, they should be in a 60s/70s style split book. It would work...end of story. As for the villains, I know that the Iron Man villain Ghost has been reworked, but he would have made a perfect villain for these three. Baron Strucker would be an interesting addition, especially because of the spy angle of two out of the three characters. Bringing in a resurrected Nathan Garrett Black Knight would be cool. Ditto for a new Night Shift.


It wouldn't work as a split book, it's a format that I don't beleive would work. If someone isn't willing to pay $3 for 22 pages of Black Widow, why would you think they would be willing to pay the same amount for 11 pages?

For those specific characters who obviously have trouble with their solo series, I think it would be best to just create a team book for them. A SHIELD/Avengers team made with characters such as the Black Widow, Mockingbird, Hawkeye, the Falcon, and Bucky seems like a good idea for a title. This is kind of the purpose for the Secret Avengers, so it would be best to just include them in that group instead.



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Reverend Meteor





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    To tell the truth, there are just too many. I think that some of the problem is that the villains have become too static...fighting the exact same heroes for forty (and nearly fifty) years at this point. I think that they need to branch out a little, like they were doing in the late 80s and early 90s. Just because Hobgoblin and Green Goblin are in Spidey's rogues gallery does not mean that they should not be in someone else's rogue's gallery as well. Don't even get me started on the X-villains, who (outside of Magneto) only seem to encounter X-characters.


Personally I would love to see the Leader menace the Fantastic Four. To me the Leader is a great villain who is wasted on the Hulk.

Or how would the Avengers deal with one of those X-villains like Apocalypse or Mr. Sinister?


I know they did the villain swap idea with Acts of Vengence but they did it badly IMO. It was a great idea...it just didn't amount to much.

I think it would be interesting for two heroes or two groups of heroes to swap nemeseses for a prolonged period of time. Like give Captain America Norman Osborn for a year while Spidey gets the Red Skull.


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Reverend Meteor





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    Which super villains do you think are broken and how would you fix them? Which super villains do think are in rut, story wise and how would you get them out of it?



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    Personally I think the Wizard's in a real rut, forming Frightful Four to defeat the Ff for the past 40 years, he should set his sights a little lower, he would be a dangerous street level villain, but the FF seem out of his league. He should at least get a clue and try to form an Evil Eight next time.


I would like to see Wizard as the leader of the Thunderbolts. He can't beat the heroes...he might as well join them. To me he just isn't that deep of a villain but after all these years he should be.

Other villains I would change:

Leader...make him the leader of a new Masters of Evil. To me the Leader is too great a villain to waste on the Hulk...a guy who half the time can't even understand what the Leader is up to. I want the Leader to have an arch nemesis who can you know appreciate all he does for them. I think any hero would be lucky to have Leader as their primary villain but the Hulk just doesn't appreciate him.

Not sure if this idea has been done yet or not...but I would boost the Absorbing Man's I.Q., he has a great power but he always loses because he's dim.

Again not sure if this has been done yet...but maybe change Grey Gargoyle's powers so that when he turns people into statues they can still move...but they become his slaves. Maybe have him take over a country with his new gargoyles.

I would turn Mentallo (any telepath villain would work really) into an information broker. If you're a villain and want to know someones secret identity or where their kids go to school or how to access their bank accounts...call Mentallo. In fact don't even pay him with money. Make him only trade in information. To get a secret you have to give him one he doesn't already have.

I would bring back from the dead...Heinrich Zemo. He has plenty of people to interact with that have old grudges to settle. Steve Rogers. Bucky. Helmut Zemo. Atlas. Wonder Man. Red Skull. Baron Von Strucker. Citizen V. I would love to see Heinrich's reaction to his son's seige on Avengers mansion or his creating the Thunderbolts or his attempts at reforming.




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Jared






First off, I wholeheartedly agree with the idea of making Marvel's heavy hitters trade heroes once in a while. There's no reason why the Avengers shouldn't have to fight Mister Sinister, or the Fantastic Four having to deal with the Leader's plans for world domination.

Anyway, I'd put the spotlight on some lesser known baddies...

-8-Ball: Before the idiots who wrote Daughters of the Dragon turned him into disposable cannon fodder, 8-Ball as written by Bob Budiansky was a swaggering deadpan snarker with a warped sense of humor and a flair for the dramatic.

Think he looks goofy in that billiard ball helmet? That's what he wants you to think-this is a guy who has no problems murdering people by crushing them under a collapsing building, decapitating them with his cue stick, or strapping them to giant billiard ball-like fireworks which he explodes to celebrate a successful robbery.

-Firebrand: Fire is both very necessary and very dangerous. What if it was acquired by someone who wasn't necessarily so much concerned with getting rich as causing as much sheer suffering, chaos and destruction as possible? Give the Firebrand outfit to an actual pyromaniac, put him up against the likes of Sleepwalker, Luke Cage, Daredevil, Spider-Man or Spider-Girl, and enjoy the mayhem...

-The Scorpion: Bring this guy back to his roots. He was originally created to be stronger, faster and deadlier than Spider-Man, the web-head's natural predator. Mark Millar had the right idea by giving him the Venom symbiote, but he then proceeded to flush it all away by having an unimpressed Spidey declare that "a loser dressed as Venom is still a loser", and having Mac Gargan instead be a whiny simp almost completely controlled by the symbiote, instead of the terrifying monstrosity who makes Spider-Man soil himself at the very thought of fighting him.

Eddie Brock has always been an overrated sissy-mary. Make Gargan the monster Stan and Steve originally conceived him as, the stone-cold killer that gives Spidey nightmares.

God, I hope Dan Slott is reading this...

-The Mongoose: Need a dangerously unstable hired psychopath who kills as much for fun as for money? Well, instead of recycling Bullseye or Sabertooth for the umpteenth time, why not show some love to another crazed whackjob who had the balls to take on the Mighty Thor and almost win?

Super speed, razor-sharp claws and a killer instinct-what's not to like?

-The Dreadknight: He's obsessed with deposing Doctor Doom and ruling Latveria, but it would be interesting to see what he'd actually do if he got that kind of power. Play up his knightly trappings by making him a warrior-king of old, who treats friend and foe alike with a warped, perverted sense of chivalry. Not only is he extremely vain and obsessed, Bram Velsing also considers himself a man of wealth and taste-after all, if he's to take over ruling Latveria, he ought to look and act the part!

-Psyko: This guy would be great drinking buddies with Carnage. If he ever escapes and regains his powers, he should be played up as a cross between Hannibal Lecter, the Joker and Freddy Krueger, a guy who terrifies people and dregs up their worst nightmares simply by being in their presence. His rampages, being here one minute and gone the next, cause widespread panic and fear well beyond the horrors he inflicts on his victims.

He's the Boogeyman, he's the rapist, he's the thing that goes bump in the night. There's nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide, because he'll always be able to find you. He's always there with you, lurking over your shoulder, knowing everything you think, everything you feel.


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I like your ideas, Jared, but want to point out that the purpose you have for your revised Firebrand was the modus operandi for the original Firebrand, Gary Gilbert, who was a son of an wealthy man who turned into an anarchist.


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jwmccay3




Nice call on Dreadknight...definitely needs a remake.

Mongoose was an interesting choice. He was a psycho, but if he only had a different moniker, he might work.




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jwmccay3




How many team books, like the one you have suggested, over the past ten years have failed within 12-15 issues? Slingers, Marvel Knights (twice), Heroes for Hire (the third time may be a charm, but so far it hasn't gone well), Avengers Academy will go down soon, numerous X-teams, that crappy Nextwave title, Howling Commandos, Skrull Kill Krew, and more. Not saying that they were bad ideas (except Nextwave), but they didn't sell. Now answer the same question for a split book offered by Marvel. The answer is two: Strange Tales, which came at a time when Marvel was going through major bankruptcy proceedings and pared its number of titles to 30, and Amazing Fantasy, which actually surprised Marvel because it was only supposed to be a limited, but sold so well during and after the Arana arc that they kept it going (at least until it got a little weird around #15). Two attempts...that's it. I don't believe that you can say it won't work if it hasn't really been tried. The other attempts, the anthology-style ones, simply had too many characters (4 and sometimes 6 per issue) and did not work because the stories were too short and did not really have any hooks.

Why not try something different, something that has not been done well in Marvel for the past twenty years? It seems to be working okay for DC with some of their mainstream titles. Pair up two heroes who struggle to keep a title on their own, but are similar. The fan bases might have some overlap, but there would be enough fans of character A who may not have been a fan of character B originally, but might be if given the opportunity. The market simply cannot handle the number of titles that are out there right now and you have more failed titles under 20 issues than I can ever remember, even when the bubble burst in the mid-1990s.

The limited series really are the cause of that. First off, who has the money to buy the three monthly Wolverine titles, four Wolverine one-shot/limited series, and then something else. If you are a Wolverine fan, but also want to read something else, you are faced with a tough decision: keep your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder intact and pick up all the Wolverine titles or pick up something different. 9 times out of 10, most will stay with the safe choice and just buy another Wolverine title and not try something that they might like. And if you ask most comic fans, both hardcore and occasional, it is one of their biggest complaints...that they cannot afford what they want to get.

The sales for limited series are so skewed and it is more of a sham than anything else. It seems that when you look at the numeric sales published by Diamond on a limited series, the first issue sells solid, then you see a 50% drop in the second issue, and a 33% drop in the third issue. The first issue is the key in the entire scenario, but most of that is caused by the shop owners and their stock up on #1s, not on the buyers and actual sells. I guess it makes sense from a business standpoint from Marvel's point-of-view because many NEW collectors see a #1 issue and think that it will be worth something someday and so comic shops order more of it...but many buyers are not that dumb and with the amount of information available on the internet, they make more informed choices. As a result, most of those shops are then stuck with a bunch of #1s that they don't sell and end up in the comic bin. I have bought semi-regularly from 5 different shops in the past two years and this is the case in each one.

When Civil War and Secret Invasion came out, the #1 issues took up large amounts of space on the racks for MONTHS and did not seem to dwindle one bit. I didn't have to worry about finding the first issue. However, when I went to buy issues #2 and #3, they were out. I asked the owner why, and he said that he did not sell as much of issue #1 as "expected" and ordered much, much less of subsequent issues. It's even worse for the non-event titles. Where were all those #1s when I went back before Christmas: in the $1 bins. Sorry, but that is really dumb business move and is nothing more than an artificial pumping of the national sales at the idiocy of the comic shops.

The stupidity of expecting #1s to make money in the future is dead. What makes an issue worth something is the story, the character, or the creators involved...not the fact that it was a #1. The ACTUAL numbering of a series has proven to be more important to collectors than Marvel anticipated. If this was not the case, why would Marvel be switching back to old numbering systems...or for that matter, make fun of themselves with Deadpool Team-Up's backward numbering. The number of issues that a character has lasted shows its longevity and importance to the comics industry. To reboot a series simply for the sake of a new #1 is utter stupidity and happens way too often...just ask Moon Knight.

If Wolverine sells, but even his limiteds and one-shots could be doing better if they were included in a split book like Astonishing Tales...starring Wolverine & Gambit (or add any other X-character), with a 12 page split format, then I think that sales would be extremely solid. When needed, change the main or supporting character, but keep the title going.



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jwmccay3




On the Mandarin...if you remember in the Force Works series, they attempted to do just what you suggested and created some pretty cool villains in the Avatars (Butterfly, Deluge, Foundry, Lich, Old Woman, Qwake, Sickle, Turmoil, Ancestor, and Warfist) that have rarely been used since and could be updated as well. I think that they appeared a couple of years ago in one of the Heroes for Hire or Marvel Knights incarnations, but I may be mistaken.


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jwmccay3




I like the Absorbing Man one...how about this: so far, it seems like A-Man can only absorb stuff, not human beings...why not try absorbing one of the artificial intelligences of the Marvel Universe (Ultron, Vision, Warlock, M-11, etc.)? If nothing else, it would make for very interesting internal dialogues between A-Man and the character he absorbed.


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    How many team books, like the one you have suggested, over the past ten years have failed within 12-15 issues? Slingers, Marvel Knights (twice), Heroes for Hire (the third time may be a charm, but so far it hasn't gone well), Avengers Academy will go down soon, numerous X-teams, that crappy Nextwave title, Howling Commandos, Skrull Kill Krew, and more. Not saying that they were bad ideas (except Nextwave), but they didn't sell. Now answer the same question for a split book offered by Marvel. The answer is two: Strange Tales, which came at a time when Marvel was going through major bankruptcy proceedings and pared its number of titles to 30, and Amazing Fantasy, which actually surprised Marvel because it was only supposed to be a limited, but sold so well during and after the Arana arc that they kept it going (at least until it got a little weird around #15). Two attempts...that's it. I don't believe that you can say it won't work if it hasn't really been tried. The other attempts, the anthology-style ones, simply had too many characters (4 and sometimes 6 per issue) and did not work because the stories were too short and did not really have any hooks.


How many solo books have failed? I would have to think that team books will sell better than solo books, regardless of format. Avengers sells better than Captain America/Thor/Iron Man, New Avenger sells better than Spider-Man, the X-Men sell better than Wolverine, and so on for the most part. You are also going with a unnecessary view of success and failure. Did anyone really expect Nextwave like last 60 plus issues? It got 12 issues, collections for future sales, the characters transferred over to other titles, and the series was critically acclaimed. It certainly met my expectations.

Marvel's experimented with the split format book alot more than two attemps. It was a regular feature in the 60s only because Marvel was limited in the number of titles they could publish. So we got titles like Tales of Supense and Tales to Astonish. I'm not sure why the decision was made in the 70s to put out titles like Amazing Adventures and Strange Tales as split format books. But without a direct market, they couldn't do things like a miniseries with the Black Widow. There was also the Double Shot miniseries from a few years ago which told two stories per issue. In recent years Marvel has been pretty aggressive with the anthology titles, and have been experimenting alot with them.

What's the logic behind thinking a split format would work? What would be the expected sales? H+M and Black Widow each sell 14K, add them together and you get 28K. There is probably some overlap in the readers there, so assuming 25% read both titles that's only 21K. And I'm sure many readers who want to read about Hawkeye don't care about the Black Widow (and vice versa), so they drop the title.

Nova and GotG both sold around 20K. Yet the Thanos Imperative sold about 30K. How much would a split book featuring Nova and GotG sell? There's the upcoming split book featuring the Annihlators and Rocket Racoon + Groot, what will that sell?


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    Why not try something different, something that has not been done well in Marvel for the past twenty years? It seems to be working okay for DC with some of their mainstream titles. Pair up two heroes who struggle to keep a title on their own, but are similar.


What recent DC examples are you thinking of? When Booster Gold got the 10 page Blue Beetle back ups, BG saw no increase in sales.


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    The limited series really are the cause of that....First off, who has the money to buy the three monthly Wolverine titles, four Wolverine one-shot/limited series, and then something else. And if you ask most comic fans, both hardcore and occasional, it is one of their biggest complaints...that they cannot afford what they want to get.


I would agree that Marvel needs to restrict the number of titles per character in some cases, and limit the number of offered titles each month. They need to experiment more with publishing formats. Make Wolverine and Deadpool 18 issues a year if you want to make more money off those titles. There's a term in video gaming called "shovel ware", were publishes just dump out crappy games to try and get sales. This is the problem that Marvel is facing right now.


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    The sales for limited series are so skewed and it is more of a sham than anything else. It seems that when you look at the numeric sales published by Diamond on a limited series, the first issue sells solid, then you see a 50% drop in the second issue, and a 33% drop in the third issue.


In the case of limited series, Marvel needs to change the publishing format schedule, and look to make these titles weekly or biweekly. A 6 issue story with Wolverine and Spider-Man over 12 months is going to sell much less than a 6 issue story told in 6 or 12 weeks. This would also greatly impact the drops her issue since fans will be less likely to drop a miniseries in a much shorter time. Another problem that would be helped with this are instances like Marvel is having with the Thor titles out now. Instead of having a 6 Thor titles out at the same time, release each story as soon as the previous one is finished.




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Jared






The thing with Gilbert is that his destruction was always intended to serve a purpose, namely burning down the old capitalist order and replacing it with a new anarchist/socialist one. I want to see the Firebrand suit worn by the Marvel answer to DC's Firefly, a sick bastard who quite literally wants to watch the world burn.

He could be a psycho for hire, a complete psychopath, or whatever. It's just that fire can be extremely destructive, and I think that any future Firebrand can and should use his or her powers for exactly those reasons.


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Hank Pym




The Wrecking Crew: The fix would be easy. These guys were made to take on Thor. Marvel's problem is they seem to have this mentality that Thor beat them, Thor is an Avenger, any Avenger can beat them, Luke Cage is an Avenger and a street level hero, so street level guys can beat them, the end. No, no, no, no! Thor is a God so of course he can beat them, but being tired of the beatings they decide to stay away from Thor. They do work-for-hire. How big would their rep be if they did one story, just one, where they are supposed to steal something from this new think tank that Peter Parker works for and while stealing it, Spidey shows up and they clean his clock. Beat him and put him in the hospital. Show no mercy. Spidey has lost before and he would get over it, but think what that would do for the Wrecking Crew, who from that point on as a Marvel editor should do, they only interact with lower tiered characters for awhile. What would the new Daredevil say when they show up in Hell's Kitchen? Not; "Oh those guys." More like; "Hmmm, I better not confront them directly and since I can't raise anyone else, I better be smart and just try to do damage control." Turn them into the bad a$$es they should be.


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    The Mandarin - Iron Man is one of Marvel's biggest heroes, and the Mandarin is his clear top villain. Yet the Mandarin is a character that IMO never really fit as Iron Man's foe with his mystical nature. He's also lacked a clear and good purpose as a villain. What's his motivation? A goal like "ruling the world" is both cliched and stupid.
        The first thing that should change is his motivation, or at least this should be clear to the reader what his actual goal is: to be rich. Of the countless major villains we've seen, we don't really have any bad guys that just want to get rich. This would make him a natural rival of Starks, who is basically Marvel's richest hero. The Mandarin would also be in control of a vast corporate empire with a interest in technology based companies, again making him a natural rival of Starks. We've also seen the emersion of Asian companies dominating the technology market, which would be compared to the American technology of Tony Stark.
        The next step would be to build up his henchmen, as Mandarin vs. Stark fights are only interesting to a point. Using the technology from his rings, the Mandarin would create powerful henchmen based on the powers of the rings. This would be a good way to incorporate the older villains from Iron Man's rogues gallery and revamp them. Suddenly a villain like Firebrand is much more powerful with technology from the Flame Blast Ring.


They've already given him an excellent motivation: social darwinism. He believes that the strong should thrive and the weak should perish and that the world should work in a way that promotes this.

Making him all about getting rich would not work for this character, because it would contradict what we already know about him: he loves to fight, he is obsessed with achieving perfection of mind and body, and he despises weakness. Being all about getting rich implies laziness, and works better for a character with a more slothful visual and abilities like the Slug. The Mandarin has an athletic visual, and his abilities, genius intellect and inhuman martial arts ability, lend themselves much more to a social darwininian character than to a greedy character.




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    They've already given him an excellent motivation: social darwinism. He believes that the strong should thrive and the weak should perish and that the world should work in a way that promotes this.


So he's Apocalypse?


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    Making him all about getting rich would not work for this character, because it would contradict what we already know about him: he loves to fight, he is obsessed with achieving perfection of mind and body, and he despises weakness. Being all about getting rich implies laziness, and works better for a character with a more slothful visual and abilities like the Slug. The Mandarin has an athletic visual, and his abilities, genius intellect and inhuman martial arts ability, lend themselves much more to a social darwininian character than to a greedy character.


Even with your answer, and I think it's safe to assume that you are big fan of the character, you can't give a consistent or even good answer to what his motivations are. Nor did you really give a reason why he's a natural fit to be Iron Man's main foe. And that's part of the reason why the character is such a B-lister.


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      They've already given him an excellent motivation: social darwinism. He believes that the strong should thrive and the weak should perish and that the world should work in a way that promotes this.



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    So he's Apocalypse?

He was created decades before Apocalypse.


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      Making him all about getting rich would not work for this character, because it would contradict what we already know about him: he loves to fight, he is obsessed with achieving perfection of mind and body, and he despises weakness. Being all about getting rich implies laziness, and works better for a character with a more slothful visual and abilities like the Slug. The Mandarin has an athletic visual, and his abilities, genius intellect and inhuman martial arts ability, lend themselves much more to a social darwininian character than to a greedy character.



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    Even with your answer, and I think it's safe to assume that you are big fan of the character, you can't give a consistent or even good answer to what his motivations are. Nor did you really give a reason why he's a natural fit to be Iron Man's main foe. And that's part of the reason why the character is such a B-lister.


In your opinion.





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Gareth Dugdale




..Killgrave the Purple Man is now a character who can only be used in certain circumstances after Alias established him as a mind-controller who gets off on sexually humiliating female superheroes. There have been one or two Marvel head-grabbers who've gone part of the way down that route before (e.g. Mesmero) but not as far. Now whenever he appears in a book with a female hero the writer has to explain why she's still wearing clothes and not sitting on his lap.

Perhaps change this by having his powers transferred to a woman?


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mjyoung





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    He was created decades before Apocalypse.


22 years is a pretty lenient use of word "decades". But it doesn't matter since Apocalypse is by far much more popular than Mandarin currently is. You don't want to be first here, you want to be the best.


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Which part? It's not an opinion that the character isn't unique in his motivations. And when I asked for his motivations, you listed like 6 things.

So what do you think the reason is this character has languished in B-list status for so long?


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      Which super villains do you think are broken and how would you fix them? Which super villains do think are in rut, story wise and how would you get them out of it?



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    The Mandarin - Iron Man is one of Marvel's biggest heroes, and the Mandarin is his clear top villain. Yet the Mandarin is a character that IMO never really fit as Iron Man's foe with his mystical nature. He's also lacked a clear and good purpose as a villain. What's his motivation? A goal like "ruling the world" is both cliched and stupid.
        The first thing that should change is his motivation, or at least this should be clear to the reader what his actual goal is: to be rich. Of the countless major villains we've seen, we don't really have any bad guys that just want to get rich. This would make him a natural rival of Starks, who is basically Marvel's richest hero. The Mandarin would also be in control of a vast corporate empire with a interest in technology based companies, again making him a natural rival of Starks. We've also seen the emersion of Asian companies dominating the technology market, which would be compared to the American technology of Tony Stark.
        The next step would be to build up his henchmen, as Mandarin vs. Stark fights are only interesting to a point. Using the technology from his rings, the Mandarin would create powerful henchmen based on the powers of the rings. This would be a good way to incorporate the older villains from Iron Man's rogues gallery and revamp them. Suddenly a villain like Firebrand is much more powerful with technology from the Flame Blast Ring.


I'm not sure the Mandarin should want to do that. Giving someone else you tech means that they (or more probably Stark) would get the chance to study and develop countermeasures for it in the (probable) event that Firebird ever got captured.

But the Mandarin needs to have his look changed just a little bit. IMHO, the first thing that needs to be done is: Give him a bigger weapon!   Nothing says martial arts warlord like a large weapon.  A large weapon says that you mean business! 
It might be a bō staff, (or more precisely, a kon, to use the Chinese word), or a sword, etc.   It should also have the properties of Mandarin being able to channel his rings energies through it.    In fact the Remaker (matter re-arranger) ring should be able to change it from one weapon to another at lighting speed.



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    The Jackal - While Marvel has the Thinkerer, who for the most part is the technology guru for villains, there needs to be genetic counterpart for the villains as well. The Jackal would be perfect for this role, where he is a natural fit to give genetic enchancements to characters, heal them, clone them, etc. Want to explain a bad guy acting out of character? One of the Jackal's clones. Want to explain how a character is ressurected without explanation? One of the Jackal's clones.

I'm not sure about that.  Clones have been done to death.   But other than that, I like the idea of having someone do for villains on a biological level what guys like the Tinkerer does for them on a technical level.    I would, however, add the stipulation that whoever wants to have a supervillain army would probably want that army controlled.   So yeah, someone like the Jackal can make superhuman enhancements for those thugs, but he would include a way to turn those enhancements off or on.


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    Taskmaster - Take him back to the Udon costume, and make him a mercenary for hire again. He doesn't need to be a true bad guy.

We'll IIRC, he never wanted to be a "big bad" sort of villain.  He was always happy training henchmen, with made him kind of neat.   The way his motovatioins played out, he didn't actually fail at being a bad guy.   He just provides services to bad guys, the way the Tinkerer did.  But that being said, I liked what happened to him during Siege.  It's interesting to take characters (including the villains) and see what happens to them when they are placed in situations way beyond their comfort level.


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    Venom - Go back to Eddie Brock. He's the ideal Venom for most fans, and gets rid of the stupid Anti-Venom character.


No make Kaine (Peter Parker's surviving clone) the next Venom.   Get rid of Eddie Brock altogether.






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    I'm not sure the Mandarin should want to do that. Giving someone else you tech means that they (or more probably Stark) would get the chance to study and develop countermeasures for it in the (probable) event that Firebird ever got captured.


Hasn't Stark studied the Mandarin's rings before? I don't know as I'm not a big Iron Man fan, but I would have to assume he did at some point. Or at least SHIELD. But while the logic certainly seems reasonable, it's something that's easily ignored in the MU. Or else I'm sure villains like the Ghost would be easily put down.


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    But the Mandarin needs to have his look changed just a little bit. IMHO, the first thing that needs to be done is: Give him a bigger weapon!   Nothing says martial arts warlord like a large weapon.  A large weapon says that you mean business!
    It might be a bō staff, (or more precisely, a kon, to use the Chinese word), or a sword, etc.   It should also have the properties of Mandarin being able to channel his rings energies through it.    In fact the Remaker (matter re-arranger) ring should be able to change it from one weapon to another at lighting speed.


A sword would look interesting, but it would take away from the rings to the point where it would be just about the sword. Green Lantern's most important item is his ring, not the power battery.

The martial arts element of the character doesn't really make alot of sense since he is a foe for Iron Man. It would work on someone like Daredevil, but Iron Man needs to fight a foe that would work visually. Imagine Bruce Lee vs Iron Man on film? Not that exciting.

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    I'm not sure about that.  Clones have been done to death.   But other than that, I like the idea of having someone do for villains on a biological level what guys like the Tinkerer does for them on a technical level.    I would, however, add the stipulation that whoever wants to have a super villain army would probably want that army controlled.   So yeah, someone like the Jackal can make superhuman enhancements for those thugs, but he would include a way to turn those enhancements off or on.


Clones, for better or worse, are a common element in these stories. I don't think a cloned army makes a lot of sense as a reoccurring thing, but being able to write away a character's appearance or death as being that of a clone works well for the continuity of things.

Mind controlled villains aren't really that interesting to the point where they aren't really characters but simply disposable objects. If Spider-Man has to fight a cloned army of Electros controlled by the Jackal, it's still just a fight between the Jackal and Spider-Man.

Taskmaster


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    We'll IIRC, he never wanted to be a "big bad" sort of villain.  He was always happy training henchmen, with made him kind of neat.   The way his motovatioins played out, he didn't actually fail at being a bad guy.   He just provides services to bad guys, the way the Tinkerer did.  But that being said, I liked what happened to him during Siege.  It's interesting to take characters (including the villains) and see what happens to them when they are placed in situations way beyond their comfort level.


He's had a few different gimmicks over the years, and while the teacher for henchmen is a good gimmick, it doesn't allow itself to be used for characters that have to carry a story or characters that are important to a series. And while it's acceptable for Taskmaster to go to that role of being B-list villain, I'd rather see him more as an antihero that can carry a story, a miniseries, and a supporting role in a book.

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    No make Kaine (Peter Parker's surviving clone) the next Venom.   Get rid of Eddie Brock altogether.


Kaine is a decent enough villain on his own. Good powers, good costume. Doesn't really have much of a purpose nowadays, but I'm sure a good purpose could be found for him. There's simply no reason why you have to combine Kaine and Venom. Kaine is an evil version of Spider-Man, and so is Venom. Combine them together and you get "evil version of Spider-Man"^2, which isn't a good thing. Nothing is being added to Spider-Man's world. If pressed, you could probably make Kaine work as a new Scorpion, and that might be a great idea.

Eddie Brock is the ideal Venom for many people, and he was perfectly fine in that role. But without Venom, Brock just isn't as a good of a character.



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Perhaps the best way to make Mandarin different from Apocalypse is to give Mandarin more noble aspects. Apocalypse is more or less pure evil and seems to capable of great sadism, one almost wonders whether Apocalypse simply uses social Darwinism as an excuse to engage in his personal dark impulses. Mandarin however, during the Knauf arc, was willing to kill himself if it making the human race stronger, it made him a little more relatable and little less like some pure evil monster. I think should develop that aspect of personality.


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      I'm not sure the Mandarin should want to do that. Giving someone else you tech means that they (or more probably Stark) would get the chance to study and develop countermeasures for it in the (probable) event that Firebird ever got captured.



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    Hasn't Stark studied the Mandarin's rings before? I don't know as I'm not a big Iron Man fan, but I would have to assume he did at some point. Or at least SHIELD. But while the logic certainly seems reasonable, it's something that's easily ignored in the MU. Or else I'm sure villains like the Ghost would be easily put down.



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      But the Mandarin needs to have his look changed just a little bit. IMHO, the first thing that needs to be done is: Give him a bigger weapon!   Nothing says martial arts warlord like a large weapon.  A large weapon says that you mean business!
      It might be a bō staff, (or more precisely, a kon, to use the Chinese word), or a sword, etc.   It should also have the properties of Mandarin being able to channel his rings energies through it.    In fact the Remaker (matter re-arranger) ring should be able to change it from one weapon to another at lighting speed.



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    A sword would look interesting, but it would take away from the rings to the point where it would be just about the sword. Green Lantern's most important item is his ring, not the power battery.

Not if he's able to "amp up" the sword's power by channeling the rings into it.  And it wouldn't be just a sword.   The Mandarin's matter re-arranger ring could be used to turn the sword into a staff, a shield, nunchucks, chains, even something that looked like Thor's hammer.


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    The martial arts element of the character doesn't really make alot of sense since he is a foe for Iron Man. It would work on someone like Daredevil, but Iron Man needs to fight a foe that would work visually. Imagine Bruce Lee vs Iron Man on film? Not that exciting.


Well the general feeling at the moment is that he is a superhuman kung fu master.   Think of Bruce Lee with the ability to channel his strength to near Ben Grimn level.



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      I'm not sure about that.  Clones have been done to death.   But other than that, I like the idea of having someone do for villains on a biological level what guys like the Tinkerer does for them on a technical level.    I would, however, add the stipulation that whoever wants to have a super villain army would probably want that army controlled.   So yeah, someone like the Jackal can make superhuman enhancements for those thugs, but he would include a way to turn those enhancements off or on.



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    Clones, for better or worse, are a common element in these stories. I don't think a cloned army makes a lot of sense as a reoccurring thing, but being able to write away a character's appearance or death as being that of a clone works well for the continuity of things.



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    Mind controlled villains aren't really that interesting to the point where they aren't really characters but simply disposable objects. If Spider-Man has to fight a cloned army of Electros controlled by the Jackal, it's still just a fight between the Jackal and Spider-Man.

When I said controlled, I didn't mean mind controlled.   I meant that anyone creating a superhuman army would want some means of keeping every thug in that army in check.    I'm thinking of basic thugs who would still have all of their independent thought, but wouldn't able to say:  "hey we've got all this power, what do we need the Jackel for now?"


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      We'll IIRC, he never wanted to be a "big bad" sort of villain.  He was always happy training henchmen, with made him kind of neat.   The way his motovatioins played out, he didn't actually fail at being a bad guy.   He just provides services to bad guys, the way the Tinkerer did.  But that being said, I liked what happened to him during Siege.  It's interesting to take characters (including the villains) and see what happens to them when they are placed in situations way beyond their comfort level.



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    He's had a few different gimmicks over the years, and while the teacher for henchmen is a good gimmick, it doesn't allow itself to be used for characters that have to carry a story or characters that are important to a series. And while it's acceptable for Taskmaster to go to that role of being B-list villain, I'd rather see him more as an antihero that can carry a story, a miniseries, and a supporting role in a book.



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      No make Kaine (Peter Parker's surviving clone) the next Venom.   Get rid of Eddie Brock altogether.



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    Kaine is a decent enough villain on his own. Good powers, good costume. Doesn't really have much of a purpose nowadays, but I'm sure a good purpose could be found for him. There's simply no reason why you have to combine Kaine and Venom. Kaine is an evil version of Spider-Man, and so is Venom. Combine them together and you get "evil version of Spider-Man"^2, which isn't a good thing. Nothing is being added to Spider-Man's world. If pressed, you could probably make Kaine work as a new Scorpion, and that might be a great idea.



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    Eddie Brock is the ideal Venom for many people, and he was perfectly fine in that role. But without Venom, Brock just isn't as a good of a character.


Actually, I never thought Eddie Brock was all that good of a character to begin with.   He never really seemed up to the task of being a good foe of Spider-Man.






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    Not if he's able to "amp up" the sword's power by channeling the rings into it.  And it wouldn't be just a sword.   The Mandarin's matter re-arranger ring could be used to turn the sword into a staff, a shield, nunchucks, chains, even something that looked like Thor's hammer.


The weapon would have to be consistent in appearance, instantly recognizable to those familiar with the character. The Mandarin is already a character plauged by inconsistent visuals.


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    Well the general feeling at the moment is that he is a superhuman kung fu master.   Think of Bruce Lee with the ability to channel his strength to near Ben Grimn level.


Then it's two superhuman characters fighting, one that knows kung fu and another that doesn't? I still don't think it's visually appealing. What exactly do Iron Man and the Mandarin have in common that people want to see them be major adversaries. It's already Magic (in appearance) vs Science which are huge opposites. Why does the Mandarin deserve to be more used than characters like Stane, Hammer, or any other spinoff of those characters?






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    ..Killgrave the Purple Man is now a character who can only be used in certain circumstances after Alias established him as a mind-controller who gets off on sexually humiliating female superheroes. There have been one or two Marvel head-grabbers who've gone part of the way down that route before (e.g. Mesmero) but not as far. Now whenever he appears in a book with a female hero the writer has to explain why she's still wearing clothes and not sitting on his lap.


He was sort of a rapist anyways...his daughter the Purple Girl happened because he manipulated a woman into sleeping with and marrying him.

On a side note...it was implied heavily in New Thunderbolts he also raped/sexually assaulted Andreas Strucker aka Swordsman with his powers.

Andreas narration captions say "especially after what was done to me. What he MADE me do...after a lifetime of debauchery, how can I justify feeling debased?" and the picture is a shirtless Purple Man with a wine glass.


Another issue had the Purple Man ordering the Swordsman to lick his shoes.

So Purple Man apparently is an equal opportunity rapist.


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    Perhaps change this by having his powers transferred to a woman?


He has a daughter with the same pigment and powers...but I thought they killed her off. She was in Alpha Flight when it got really lame.





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...doesnt mean he always must. Simply because hes done it before doesnt mean he will,should or must constantly do the same thing. Thats like saying Norman Osborn has to throw every blonde he meets off a bridge.


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    22 years is a pretty lenient use of word "decades". But it doesn't matter since Apocalypse is by far much more popular than Mandarin currently is. You don't want to be first here, you want to be the best.


Not really. The only popular X-villain is Magneto. The Mandarin has been the main villain of two Iron Man cartoons. Apocalypse gets a single or two-parter episode here and there.

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    Which part? It's not an opinion that the character isn't unique in his motivations. And when I asked for his motivations, you listed like 6 things.


You say that like it's a bad thing. Lex Luthor is motivated by a petty urge to kill Superman for making him feel small. He also has a certain genuine urge to make the world a better place. He's also just plain old fashioned greedy. Is he diminished because you can't sum up his motivations in one line?

Besides, all of the things I mentioned flow out of one thing: the Mandarin has a hypermasculine mindset. In the hypermasculine mindset, strength is good, weakness is bad. The hypermasculine mind values honor of a sort, but that version of honor is so twisted that it amounts to little more than an eschewing of blatant cowardice.


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The big one is just that Iron Man has historically been a B or even C lister, and this has hurt his villains by extension. That's probably 90% of it right there. Iron Man isn't a concept that has historically attracted big-name writers like Grant Morrison and Frank Miller. So he's had far fewer classic stories than those characters that attract big-name writers. Big name writers seem to prefer to tell either gritty street-level stories about guys who could have stepped out of 30's pulp detective novel, or grand stories of myth. So Batman and Superman and characters very close to them get big name writers constantly, while characters like Iron Man rarely do. Can anyone even tell me who Flash's arch-enemy even IS, for example?

This is minor by comparison, but the name is weak. He probably should have been named something like Khan. One of the definitions of Mandarin is Elitist, and this seems to be what Stan Lee was going for in his initial stories. However, that is a little obscure compared to "the Joker" or "Bullseye" or "Magneto" or "Doom". He should have just named him the Elitist or the Aristocrat and been done with it, since that is how he characterized him. Instead he named him something with multiple obscure definitions and then tried to fill in the blanks with characterization. You shouldn't have to solve an intellectual puzzle when it comes to the meaning of a villain's name.






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    Not really. The only popular X-villain is Magneto. The Mandarin has been the main villain of two Iron Man cartoons. Apocalypse gets a single or two-parter episode here and there.


Well first, it's hard to beleive that comics most popular franchise only has one popular villain.

As for Apocalypse in adaptions:

- X-Men The Animated series - Appeared in all five seasons, even had a multi-episode story (four parts) near the end.
- X-Men Evolution - The last half of the third season was about stopping him
- Wolverine and The X-Men - Season two bad guy, series was canceled before storyline was shown.
- Appears as a boss in X-Men, X-Men 2 Clone Wars, X-Men 2 Gamemaster's Legacy, X-Men vs Street Fighter (main boss), Marvel Superheroes vs Street Fighter.
- Appears in video games which include his name with X-Men Mutant Apocalypse, X-Men Reign of Apocalypse, X-Men Ravages of Apocalypse, and X-Men Legends II Rise of Apocalypse.
- Bowen Design Statures: Apocalypse (3), Mandarin (1)



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VIBRO: Vibro could be workable with a few minor tweaks. Firast: make his power work on any fault line. I see no reason why a power fueled by science (a machine gone wrong) would work on only one plate boundary. Heck their are other strike/slip faults in the world. I'd also play up the part of his origin where he got his powers trying to STOP earthquakes and be a hero. I'd use this, have him still see himself as a hero as he commits crimes. He may look like troma meets punk rock but he knows he got his powers and deformity trying to save lives.

CIRCUS OF CRIME: I have been thinking about this since the post a year or so ago saying how sucky they were. I'll drop my crazier ideas (such as a drear and humorless vampire clown competing for control of the circus and creating freaks to serve him) and get to the core idea I had.

The circus of crime is flawed because circuses are no longer seen as innocent fun. From elephants mistreated until they rampage to children being scared of clowns the circus has gotten a dark twist to it. Attendance of Circus's are dropping. So a Circus as a cover for a crime ring is destined to failure.

So what if Ringmaster and his Crew realize they have grown to love the circus and they are part of why it is failing. Instead of using a circus as a cover for crime they decide to use crime to fund their circus. They are still a circus that commits crime, but instead of using the circus for crime they use crime for the circus.

CORONARY: I think coronary did best with the creepy power to control peoples bodies. Having him regain this power is an easy fix. But if he is using this power to hold his shattered body together and now he is strong enough to hold himself together and use it on others does this mean he is very powerful if ever reunited? Yes, go with it!

ABSORBING MAN: both Absorbing Man and Wrecking Crew share a similar problem. They are simply blue colar thugs without higher education so this automaticly paints them as stupid, ineffective, and expendable. Creel is the luckier of the group as his relationship with Skeeter gave him some characterization.

Absorbing Man's biggest problem is how he gets defeated. Most of the time he panics and grabs (or is given) something weak and that stops him. The biggest advantage would be to have creel get over his panicing.

By the way, in Avengers Academy seeing the cosmic entities left creel so shaken I hope it ends up a character point with him.

WRECKING CREW: I think the previous idea of splitting up the crew that someone had has merit. It allows Wrecker to once again seem dangerous, Thunderball to use his mind, and maybe, just maybe Piledriver and Bulldozer to have a personality. (Piledriver inviting his son into the crew had potential for that but it was soon forgotten). Once they establish personality and become worthwhile foes reunite them. By then the crew will be known as something worthwhile and able to challenge Thor once more.

XEMNU: He mind controlled the ENTIRE EARTH except for the man who beat him. Remember that. This is among the mightiest mental powerhouses on this or any other planet. A major psychic threat who also has muscle to back up his mind. He is a hulking mental terror. Show him as one.


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