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creeper21oo




Ok the thread down below about which 5 characters would you delete from the Marvel Universe got me thinking. Which five characters which you move to the upper echelon of the Marvel Universe?

for me it would be:

Quasar, the protector of the universe gets no love!

Count Nefaria, he has been greatly underused for a long time. He could be a great villian again!

Firestar, just because I like her!

Namor, yeah he is in the New Avengers book, but he needs a solo book to shine in.

Nova, just bring back Richard Rider already!




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katefan




Good question. For me they would be:

The Black Widow. Marvel needs to push more women into prominence and Warren Ellis proved in his Secret Avengers run how intelligent she can be.

Spider Girl. Bring back May Day Parker! Have her travel back in time or something, wind up in the 616 MU. Have her team up with Anya Corazon and call the title Spider-Girls!

Jimmy Woo. I loved Agents of Atlas and I would love to see those characters return in some capacity. Jimmy Woo as the leader of one of the world's most powerful secret organizations should be a prominent member of the MU.

Those are the only three I can think of off the top of my head.






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Reverend Meteor





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    Ok the thread down below about which 5 characters would you delete from the Marvel Universe got me thinking. Which five characters which you move to the upper echelon of the Marvel Universe?



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    for me it would be:



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    Quasar, the protector of the universe gets no love!



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    Count Nefaria, he has been greatly underused for a long time. He could be a great villian again!



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    Firestar, just because I like her!



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    Namor, yeah he is in the New Avengers book, but he needs a solo book to shine in.



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    Nova, just bring back Richard Rider already!





1. Baron Helmut Zemo
2. Fixer
3. Namorita
4. Ben Reilly
5. Gilgamesh


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cadmiel nostromo




Graviton - he's on the same level with Magneto in terms of power.

US Agent - he deserves it.

Squadron Supreme - Earth-712 (Would a team count?)

the new Sinister Six/Superior Foes of Spider-Man - (Am I cheating here?)

and Baron Zemo.


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Paste Pot Pete 

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Thanks for posting this. I had the same thought to turn it around and list 5 folks i wanted to see more of and Firestar is definitely on my list

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Martinex1




1) Stingray - create a different version of undersea adventure with exploration, science, and occasional team-ups with Namor. Would like to see him take on Attuma, Pisces from the Zodiac, and the Serpent Crown.

2) Bug - a mixture of humor and pathos with history on two teams. Would love to see him team up with the more serious Pym in the Microverse.

3) Nighthawk - Defender, former villain, and a troubled leader. Would like him involved in battles with street crime, solving mysteries, and taking on an evil Dr. Spectrum.

4) Starhawk - a different take on cosmic tales. Would actually like to see the original GotG in a more prominent role. Imagine Starhawk hanging out with Firelord and other heralds.

5) The original Captain Marvel.

Plus these villains being more prominent: Living Laser, Count Nefaria, U-Foes, Fixer & Mentallo, and Firebrand.





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creeper21oo




Stingra I can't believe I forgot about him. Nighthawk is a great choice too!


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creeper21oo




Whatever happened to the Agents of Atlas? They seemed to be a good following for a brief moment and then they just went away \:\(



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katefan




The comics just didn't sell, sadly. I think it is the nature of the industry, that people simply don't feel like taking a chance and spending three or four dollars on comics with concepts or characters they are not familiar with and instead purchase comics with familiar titles, like Avengers or X-Men. Heroes For Hire tanked, Agents of Atlas tanked, the new Defenders series went away.

Honestly, look at Avengers Arena; half, if that many, of those characters were ever associated with Avengers. But they slap the Avengers name on it and it sells.

Marvel isn't the only one to do this; why do you think they have five or six Batman-ish titles or three or four Supermans? The magic team is called Justice League Dark for no reason other than to sell it.

I'm sorry for ranting, but I really, really liked Agents of Atlas and Heroes For Hire and was sad to see them go.


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    The Black Widow. Marvel needs to push more women into prominence and Warren Ellis proved in his Secret Avengers run how intelligent she can be.


Isn't she upper echelon already? She seems pretty prominent to me.

What she needs is a new, long term story line all her own.


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    Spider Girl. Bring back May Day Parker! Have her travel back in time or something, wind up in the 616 MU. Have her team up with Anya Corazon and call the title Spider-Girls!


Definitely. Bringing May back in time to our present day is the way to make her comic work in the marketplace. Making a duo out of her and Anya Corazon is a great idea!


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    Jimmy Woo. I loved Agents of Atlas and I would love to see those characters return in some capacity. Jimmy Woo as the leader of one of the world's most powerful secret organizations should be a prominent member of the MU.


This is a must. Jimmy Woo is positioned beautifully to become a major player.


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    Those are the only three I can think of off the top of my head.


Shang-Chi could become part of the Jimmy Woo story line.

Meanwhile, Thundra seems to be building some momentum. She keeps popping up. She's obviously on Marvel's mind.

Maybe Jimmy Woo, the Black Widow, the two Spider-Girls, Shang-Chi, and Thundra could somehow get thrown together.






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    Ok the thread down below about which 5 characters would you delete from the Marvel Universe got me thinking. Which five characters which you move to the upper echelon of the Marvel Universe?


Characters that need more prominence:

Gambit - Outside of Wolverine and Cyclops, the X-Men don't have any leading characters. Other characters like Deadpool and Cable are really only tangential to the X-Men on the outskirts of the franchise. While Gambit has had his own shots of various ongoings, it's never been done well. Marvel always uses the character for promotional purposes but never really has any stories that utilize the character well. He prominent on the cover for House of M (http://comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/90/4968_20060704193112_large.jpg), AvX (http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/496/246250_20120413055256_large.jpg), etc. He's also a part of one of Marvel's most popular couples. With his recent title cancelled, make him the star of Astonishing X-Men and let him lead the team. Keep Karma, Northstar, and Reyes. Fill out the roster with the X-Men characters that aren't being used elsewhere like Magma, Chamber, and Warpath.

Pym - The biggest Avenger that gets the least amout of respect, where even the movie of Ant-Man might not have Pym in the main role. Marvel has had the character go thru a few changes over the last decade from being just Pym, to the Wasp, to Giant-Man, and now back seemingly to Pym again. The Avengers AI title is just a bad idea that is destined to fail. Robotic characters just aren't interesting or popular. Give the guy an Avengers Legacy title where he goes around fixing all the problems in the Avengers universe. Fill out a semi-team with the Vision, WonderMan, the Wasp, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Falcon - The Marvel lineup needs more ethnic diversity in the spotlight, and the Falcon is a great choice to be that male African-American character. He's in cartoons and movies, but he's never had a big role in the comics. Part of this is because the character isn't anything special, but he can be fixed. Make him an Agent of Shield, make him a smarter character, and give the costume an upgrade. Even give the character a role with the Avengers as their SHIELD liason. Move him away from Captain America so we don't see him as a sidekick as much. Still keep the friendship but have him interact more with other characters as well.

Taskmaster - Really cool powerset, but the character has always been held back because fans don't take him serious. The revamp he got in the 2000s was great, and Marvel should really bring him back to that look and personality. It's hard to take the character seriously as he is now/historically and he's just a laughing stock.

Ms. Marvel - Marvel needs to have a prominent female character and that role is currently unfilled. Get away from the Captain Marvel name and don't associate the character with it anymore. The current costume is pretty terrible as well. Go back to what it was before. Give the character a prominent role in the Avengers title and make her the second in command to Cap. All the big moments should involve the character.





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Characters who deserve a major push and the Wolverine/Bucky treatment?


1] The Wasp - She seems to be a hard character for writers to write but as a veteran Avenger and one of the MU foundation characters she's long since due for a much stronger and more assertive treatment.

2] Count Nefaria - Like you I see him as a very underused villain who can work as either evil-Superman or Maffia don. He's another one of those MU characters who despite having a long and distinguished history never gets any attention.

3] Doc Samson - There have been odd times he's been handed a full superhero role and been extremely impressive. A highly intelligent man he has a fascinating contrary attitude to his power and what it should be used for. He could be a very interesting major player as he has the respect of a good deal of the superhero community and a psychologist superhero is fascinating territory.

4] Hellcat - Like the Wasp a character with a distinguished history and a lot to offer. Spider-Woman and Ms Marvel got their chance at the bigtime again, Patsy Walker is a shameful exception.

5] Baron Von Strucker - Although he appears occasionally he reminds me a little of the Mandarin, both extremely dangerous but neither making much impression on the MU as a whole. With what his background is he should be a far more dangerous and global threat than what he has been presented as. I'd like to see him beefed up to be a major force in the MU supervillain stage.




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katefan




Well, when I think upper echelon that usually involves having their own comic. I would love to see the Black Widow get her own.

And you've got a point about Thundra. It's nice to see Marvel dust off old characters like that. It's one of the reasons I liked Agents of Atlas in the first place.


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Baron Zemo - When this guy shows up, EVERYONE in the room says, "oh crap." He deserves to be a major player.

Firebird - Has been in the background long enough. She can't die, has the physical power, and has some kind of mystic "detect evil" sense. She's got the strong moral code to be an influence in the hero community.

Rich Rider - Has proved himself out in space. He ought to be Nova Prime, and a serious big shot on Earth, and off. Get rid of this "Sam" kid.

Dr. Pym - LOVED what Slott did with him. Scientist Supreme. And a little bit...off. But a force to be reckoned with, when he's not distracted by something more interesting.

Eric Killmonger - One for the bad guys. He's smart enough politically and strategically to be a mastermind, no question. He's also got the skills to beat down T'Challa. Killmonger ought to be on every hero's radar.


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Did you catch the cameo of May Day Parker in Age of Ultron? It really sucks that it was SpOck who got the flash of seeing May and American Dream in the MC2-verse. Without the real Peter being around, I really care even less about seeing May.




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Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) should be Marvel's top female.

Storm should be Marvel's top mutant.

Luke Cage - Can't wait for Mighty Avengers, and he needs a solo title.

Blue Marvel

Nightcrawler - Dead schmed.




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    Did you catch the cameo of May Day Parker in Age of Ultron? It really sucks that it was SpOck who got the flash of seeing May and American Dream in the MC2-verse. Without the real Peter being around, I really care even less about seeing May.


I knew I was forgetting someone from the Spider-Girl time line that I cared about. It was American Dream! If Marvel brings May Day back in time, as they absolutely should, they should bring American Dream along with her.

Scarlet Spider is Kaine, now, right? He and May Day would probably have some things to talk about!






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The Shroud...Marvel has toyed with the character for a long time. First it was with Super-Villain Team-Up, where he had a Scourge-type thing setting up before Scourge came around...and they did not pull the proverbial trigger. Then it was recruitment with the West Coast Avengers, which fell flat. Then it was the early '90s with the Spidey titles. The latest was Shadowland and Civil War. Cool power set, nice Batman-style background, connections with the underworld.

Blackwulf...been saying this for a few years, but the Secret Invasion stuff could have been so much better had Marvel explored the connection between the Deviant Skrulls, Deviant Earthlings, and the Dreaming Celestial, like was started with the Blackwulf series. Great character from the 90s, has not been seen since his series ended.

Bloodstone...And no, I'm not talking about Elsa. I'm talking about going through a historical quest with Bloodstone. Go through the history of the Marvel Universe, making him a bit of a catalyst for many of the events, especially since he was around since basically the beginning of man.

Scorpion...The female version from the latest Amazing Fantasy series. Used her a little during World War Hulk, but is underutilized and since she's still a teenager, could be a good way for Marvel to market to the young female audience that they have been trying to convince the past couple of years.

Man-Wolf...With Marvel's focus on the cosmic titles coming up, John Jameson should be involved. Period.


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I'm totally with you on Zemo, but Fixer is so unmotivated to care about what side he's on; or even what the conflict is, it'd be tough to make him a mover/shaker in the "upper echelon", wouldn't it?


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I love USAgent, but I think he works best as an "also ran". Always with the chip on his shoulder, trying to prove he's got what it takes.


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I could see Hellcat moving up to becoming the MU's premier occult investigator. After the time she's spent in hell, she's gotta be teh most trustworthy of the most qualified.


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    The Shroud...Marvel has toyed with the character for a long time. First it was with Super-Villain Team-Up, where he had a Scourge-type thing setting up before Scourge came around...and they did not pull the proverbial trigger. Then it was recruitment with the West Coast Avengers, which fell flat. Then it was the early '90s with the Spidey titles. The latest was Shadowland and Civil War. Cool power set, nice Batman-style background, connections with the underworld.

Also mystical. I do agree that he needs to be bigger. Not sure if "upper echelon," but yes.


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    Blackwulf...been saying this for a few years, but the Secret Invasion stuff could have been so much better had Marvel explored the connection between the Deviant Skrulls, Deviant Earthlings, and the Dreaming Celestial, like was started with the Blackwulf series. Great character from the 90s, has not been seen since his series ended.

I agree about Secret Invasion and that the ignoring of Blackwulf is sad.


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    Bloodstone...And no, I'm not talking about Elsa. I'm talking about going through a historical quest with Bloodstone. Go through the history of the Marvel Universe, making him a bit of a catalyst for many of the events, especially since he was around since basically the beginning of man.

I would like more about him. Not so much Elsa or this new Cullen guy, but definitely him. And more about the Hellfire Helix.


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    Scorpion...The female version from the latest Amazing Fantasy series. Used her a little during World War Hulk, but is underutilized and since she's still a teenager, could be a good way for Marvel to market to the young female audience that they have been trying to convince the past couple of years.

I was really liking her up to WHH. I really like her backstory and origin. But I haven't been thrilled with what they've done with her since Dark Reign.


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    Man-Wolf...With Marvel's focus on the cosmic titles coming up, John Jameson should be involved. Period.

Now that would be interesting.




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    I'm totally with you on Zemo, but Fixer is so unmotivated to care about what side he's on; or even what the conflict is, it'd be tough to make him a mover/shaker in the "upper echelon", wouldn't it?


I voted Fixer because he is the character in the Marvel Universe most like myself. He's utterly apathetic.


To me if there is a champion of indifference in the Marvel Universe it's Norbert. I feel like being beyond good and evil is sort of what makes him one of the best characters around. He's not evil or good...he's just a really shitty person.


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jwmccay3




Yeah, forgot to mention the mystical part...by the way, isn't there still an opening for Sorceror Supreme? Perfect fit.


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creeper21oo

Blackwulf!



man I didn't think anyone remembered Blackwulf! I always liked the Shroud, and it does seem everytime Marvel kinda pushes him, they kind of really doing doing with him in the longrun.



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    Yeah, forgot to mention the mystical part...by the way, isn't there still an opening for Sorceror Supreme? Perfect fit.

No. Dr. Strange returned to the mantle at the end of New Avengers v2. The whole sorted tale was a test from the Ancient One, and Strange proved himself worthy by holding steaadfast for Earth... blahblah...




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Yeah, I kinda stopped reading Avengers and New Avengers for the past couple of years because of Bendis, so I missed that storyline.


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    man I didn't think anyone remembered Blackwulf!


I recently bought his short-lived series off eBay and thought it was pretty good, though not quite as innovative as the creative team seemed to think.

If Marvel brings him back, they should place the Deviants and their culture emphatically front and center. If there's any intrinsic interest to the story line, the Deviants are it.







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