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In the Marvel Universe, most aliens appear to be about human level in power. A few might be a bit stronger like the Shi'ar. If a race is "superpowered" generally the entire race shares that power: Skrulls, Stronians, Majedians, Kronans, Watchers, etc. Advanced races can give superpowers or use technology to simulate super-powers, but this appears rare. The Skrulls only recently got around to creating Super-Skrulls in mass. The Shi'ar is composed of who knows how many sentients and can use technology to duplicate or give superpowers. The Imperial Guard has types or clashes with the elite of the Guard being the best of each class. But the average Shi'ar soldier is armed with a blaster or blades. It seems it is difficult to give beings superpowers.

On a whole Marvel Earth is different. Virtually anyone can get superpowers from anything. Things that all rights would kill an alien humans can somehow survive. The diversity of the powers is unheard of. And as noted by several characters that is not all. The sorcerer supreme makes him home on Earth. Galactus was repealed. Earth survived the judgement of the Celestials. Humans have developed technology that other races have taken far longer to achieve. Mutants are born with powers that the cosmic beings achieved over millions of years.

What are all the reason in-universe writers have given for Earth being special? I can remember a few. Are there any others? Anybody have anything to add on those I have listed?

1. The Celestials created Eternals, Deviants, and mutants.
The Celestials gave primitive humans the capability for benevolent mutations. Apparently, they have done this to other worlds, but Earth is the first one to successfully develop or at least not destroy itself yet. Is this story still canon?

2. The Universal Wellsprings:
IIRC, this was the story where the Thunderbolts under Zemo battled the Grandmaster. Apparently, Earth sits on some sort of magical/cosmic source of energy. This energy leaks out around Earth and breaks down the laws of physics allowing the impossible to otherwise become possible. That is why a random burst of radiation that should kill a human lets them survive. It may also explain why certain technological developments are possible.

3. Dimensional travel is easier on and around Earth.
For whatever reason, it is easier to travel between dimensions, alternate realities, and time on Earth then in other parts of the universe. That would help explain why Earth is the focus of extra-dimensional attacks, alternate reality invasions, and time travel is so easy. It would also help explain why so many superpowered beings are connected to extra dimensional sources of power.

4. The Death Celestial
Someone is going to have to feel me in on the details because I only briefly read part of this one. I think it was from Fraction's recent run on the Defenders. If I understand it, something called the Death Celestial was imprisoned on Earth, awakening on Earth, something. To counter it the Celestials put machines on Earth (are they called anything specific?) to bring together special beings across the multiverse all to one place to help fight it. Would someone please fill me in on the details of this?

Any others I missed?

By the way, can someone please update me on the Celestials:

1. Once upon a time they were considered at the least equal to Galactus if not far higher than him. Would you say this is still true?

2. Are they still quasi-omnipotent, planet bowing, reality altering giants or only dumb pieces of armor that can shoot energy blasts?

3. I glanced through an X-Men tpb and it had I think a future Wolverine be a monster. That Wolverine justified his actions by stating it was necessary to satisfy the Celestials. The Celestials are actively monitoring Earth and want it to continue evolving. If mutants do not continue to appear as a sign of evolution the Celestials will return and destroy the Earth. Apocalypse is an active agent of theirs who forces conflict to continue evolution. Is this true? Can anyone please elaborate?

4. The recent time travel Thunderbolts story. When they were going back in time they encountered the Celestials. Did the story suggest that the Celestials created the planet Earth itself? What were the Celestials doing?

5. Is it true in a recent Avengers issue a 2,000 ft tall Celestial was killed by Thor's ax? Was it truly killed or was it faking it? Why is Kang at war with the Celestials?

6. Is it true that Mr. Sinsiter "hacked" into the Dreaming Celestial like it was some sort of robot? Then the rest came, but just decided to leave a suddenly?

7. Did SHIELD as run by Da Vinci encounter the Celestials? Did they really somehow turn them back? If so, HOW?

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    In the Marvel Universe, most aliens appear to be about human level in power. A few might be a bit stronger like the Shi'ar. If a race is "superpowered" generally the entire race shares that power: Skrulls, Stronians, Majedians, Kronans, Watchers, etc. Advanced races can give superpowers or use technology to simulate super-powers, but this appears rare. The Skrulls only recently got around to creating Super-Skrulls in mass. The Shi'ar is composed of who knows how many sentients and can use technology to duplicate or give superpowers. The Imperial Guard has types or clashes with the elite of the Guard being the best of each class. But the average Shi'ar soldier is armed with a blaster or blades. It seems it is difficult to give beings superpowers.



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    On a whole Marvel Earth is different. Virtually anyone can get superpowers from anything. Things that all rights would kill an alien humans can somehow survive. The diversity of the powers is unheard of. And as noted by several characters that is not all. The sorcerer supreme makes him home on Earth. Galactus was repealed. Earth survived the judgement of the Celestials. Humans have developed technology that other races have taken far longer to achieve. Mutants are born with powers that the cosmic beings achieved over millions of years.



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    What are all the reason in-universe writers have given for Earth being special? I can remember a few. Are there any others? Anybody have anything to add on those I have listed?



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    1. The Celestials created Eternals, Deviants, and mutants.
    The Celestials gave primitive humans the capability for benevolent mutations. Apparently, they have done this to other worlds, but Earth is the first one to successfully develop or at least not destroy itself yet. Is this story still canon?



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    2. The Universal Wellsprings:
    IIRC, this was the story where the Thunderbolts under Zemo battled the Grandmaster. Apparently, Earth sits on some sort of magical/cosmic source of energy. This energy leaks out around Earth and breaks down the laws of physics allowing the impossible to otherwise become possible. That is why a random burst of radiation that should kill a human lets them survive. It may also explain why certain technological developments are possible.


The Wellspring concept from Thunderbolts is carried over from a plot point from the New Warriors first series. As originally presented the only know wellspring was the well of all things that Tai and her cult of the dragon's breadth cult had been absorbing ambient energy from since the days of antiquity. The well of all things was a source for power but the way it was described was a pencil point sized breach in reality that punctured several other dimensions. This is why it afforded people so many variations in power.




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    3. Dimensional travel is easier on and around Earth.
    For whatever reason, it is easier to travel between dimensions, alternate realities, and time on Earth then in other parts of the universe. That would help explain why Earth is the focus of extra-dimensional attacks, alternate reality invasions, and time travel is so easy. It would also help explain why so many superpowered beings are connected to extra dimensional sources of power.



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    4. The Death Celestial
    Someone is going to have to feel me in on the details because I only briefly read part of this one. I think it was from Fraction's recent run on the Defenders. If I understand it, something called the Death Celestial was imprisoned on Earth, awakening on Earth, something. To counter it the Celestials put machines on Earth (are they called anything specific?) to bring together special beings across the multiverse all to one place to help fight it. Would someone please fill me in on the details of this?



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    Any others I missed?



Many shards of the lifestone tree fell to earth and became gems used to power superbeings (Sphinx, Moonstone, Bloodstone, Man-Wolf, Blue Diamond)

On earth in addition to the humans I think you also have Eternals, Deviants, Atlanteans, Lemurians (are they still around?), Lava Men, the Neo, the Bird Men, Moloids and probably a hundred I'm forgetting. Not to mention all the mythological beings who I assume live in their own separate dimensions that border ours except when they don't and just live in ours.


One thing I was a bit annoyed about during the Blackest Night crossover in DC was the notion that all life in the universe began on earth. Earth is a relatively young planet compared to some other planets in the universe. I think the sun and our solar system were the remnants of an earlier star going nova. Some of the ancient beings they have running around the DC universe should predate our solar system much less life on earth.


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My fave: Marvel Earth lies upon the Celestial Axis, a ribbon of organic energy that runs through time and space.


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    1. The Celestials created Eternals, Deviants, and mutants.
    The Celestials gave primitive humans the capability for benevolent mutations. Apparently, they have done this to other worlds, but Earth is the first one to successfully develop or at least not destroy itself yet. Is this story still canon?

Earth isn't even one of the first to develop or not destroy itself. Skrulls and Kree are products of Celestial tampering, as well.

Which calls into question the Celestials coming back to destroy Earth if humans stop evolving. It's been fact for a long time that Skrulls and Kree have stopped evolving, yet Celestials don't seem to care much.

They also don't seem to care much about The Brethren, a race of evolved bacteria they once used to eradicate unworthy worlds. The Celestials abandoned them ages ago and they're allowed to freely roam the universe. There generally hasn't been a whole lot of rhyme or reason to how they deem their experiments.

Ego seems to have been their handiwork. They once judged him/it.


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    5. Is it true in a recent Avengers issue a 2,000 ft tall Celestial was killed by Thor's ax? Was it truly killed or was it faking it? Why is Kang at war with the Celestials?

Kang's a twit.
The story isn't done yet, but we're meant to think it was killed. I suspect and hope otherwise. This is one of my complaints about how Celestials are used lately. They've become far too mundane for my liking. They used to be totally awe-inspiring. Not anymore. In a fairly recent Fantastic Four, Franklin mind-controlled Galactus into killing some alternate universe vesions of Celestials. IMO, they should only ever be defeated because they feel like it. The heroes should always be left scratching their heads about what they did right.


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    6. Is it true that Mr. Sinsiter "hacked" into the Dreaming Celestial like it was some sort of robot? Then the rest came, but just decided to leave a suddenly?

Yes.




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    My fave: Marvel Earth lies upon the Celestial Axis, a ribbon of organic energy that runs through time and space.



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    1. The Celestials created Eternals, Deviants, and mutants.
    The Celestials gave primitive humans the capability for benevolent mutations. Apparently, they have done this to other worlds, but Earth is the first one to successfully develop or at least not destroy itself yet. Is this story still canon?


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    Earth isn't even one of the first to develop or not destroy itself. Skrulls and Kree are products of Celestial tampering, as well.


Well technically the Skrulls did destroy their original homeworld by creating the Shaper of Worlds if memory serves

And then its replacement got destroyed by Galactus but that's not their fault.




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    Which calls into question the Celestials coming back to destroy Earth if humans stop evolving. It's been fact for a long time that Skrulls and Kree have stopped evolving, yet Celestials don't seem to care much.


Maybe the Skrulls killing off their flatscan and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Dire Wraiths) and the Kree killing off their deviant and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Cotati) rendered those experiments moot.

Humans sharing a planet with races like the Eternals and Deviants may have created the competition necessary for humans to evolve.

I would say the Celestials never really want to destroy earth. They just find some unknown quality of us lacking and every so often they come and scare us into getting our shit together.


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    They also don't seem to care much about The Brethren, a race of evolved bacteria they once used to eradicate unworthy worlds. The Celestials abandoned them ages ago and they're allowed to freely roam the universe. There generally hasn't been a whole lot of rhyme or reason to how they deem their experiments.


I would assume Overmind's people were also another experiment.

One thing I've always wondered about...the races in the Shi'ar ...modified by Celestials or not? The multitude of power sets would seem to imply it but I don't remember anything ever tying the Shi'ar to the Celestials.

For whatever reason I've always assumed the Badoon evolved naturally without Celestial intervention...and were utterly unremarkable as a result.








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    Ego seems to have been their handiwork. They once judged him/it.


Wasn't Ego one of many other sentient planetoids? I seem to remember him getting absorbed by something called Super Ego that was absorbing others like Ego during Defalco's run on Thor.

In fact didn't they create a whole galaxy and then destroy it so it could hatch a Celestial...I seem to remember that.



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    The story isn't done yet, but we're meant to think it was killed. I suspect and hope otherwise. This is one of my complaints about how Celestials are used lately. They've become far too mundane for my liking. They used to be totally awe-inspiring. Not anymore. In a fairly recent Fantastic Four, Franklin mind-controlled Galactus into killing some alternate universe vesions of Celestials. IMO, they should only ever be defeated because they feel like it. The heroes should always be left scratching their heads about what they did right.


Well when you stop and consider Anthropomorpho none of these cosmic beings are ever really fighting each other. They're using M-bodies as avatars to appear corporeal in this dimension and when you see two cosmic beings fight it's like my robot fighting your robot which we are both controlling from our respective homes...neither one of us is actually going to be injured in the melee...a proxy gets destroyed and that's about it and then they just ask Anthropomorpho for another one.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/anthropo.htm


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      My fave: Marvel Earth lies upon the Celestial Axis, a ribbon of organic energy that runs through time and space.

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        1. The Celestials created Eternals, Deviants, and mutants.
        The Celestials gave primitive humans the capability for benevolent mutations. Apparently, they have done this to other worlds, but Earth is the first one to successfully develop or at least not destroy itself yet. Is this story still canon?


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        Earth isn't even one of the first to develop or not destroy itself. Skrulls and Kree are products of Celestial tampering, as well.



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    Well technically the Skrulls did destroy their original homeworld by creating the Shaper of Worlds if memory serves



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    And then its replacement got destroyed by Galactus but that's not their fault.



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      Which calls into question the Celestials coming back to destroy Earth if humans stop evolving. It's been fact for a long time that Skrulls and Kree have stopped evolving, yet Celestials don't seem to care much.

    Maybe the Skrulls killing off their flatscan and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Dire Wraiths) and the Kree killing off their deviant and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Cotati) rendered those experiments moot.

So... "Genetic cleansing" wins the game? Yikes.


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    Humans sharing a planet with races like the Eternals and Deviants may have created the competition necessary for humans to evolve.

Yeah, but competition is competition, regardless of where it comes from. Skrull's and Kree's competition with themselves and each other and everyone else is still very present and would lead to evolution. Anyway, I have problems with that whole plotline. The idea of races so vast as them not evolving is ludicrous.


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    I would say the Celestials never really want to destroy earth. They just find some unknown quality of us lacking and every so often they come and scare us into getting our shit together.

Yeah. I don't know why I wrote "destroy Earth." I meant humans.


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      They also don't seem to care much about The Brethren, a race of evolved bacteria they once used to eradicate unworthy worlds. The Celestials abandoned them ages ago and they're allowed to freely roam the universe. There generally hasn't been a whole lot of rhyme or reason to how they deem their experiments.

    I would assume Overmind's people were also another experiment.

Yeah. That's the assumption. I don't think it's ever been verified, or the Eyungians just liked to call themselves Eternals because they called their homeworld Eternus.


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    One thing I've always wondered about...the races in the Shi'ar ...modified by Celestials or not? The multitude of power sets would seem to imply it but I don't remember anything ever tying the Shi'ar to the Celestials.

There's a lot of Shi'ar history that needs to be delved into, but there's never been so much as a hint of Eternal or Deviant Shi'ar. They do seem to have lots of potential superpowers, and there's some question of mutations, but nothing concrete.


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    For whatever reason I've always assumed the Badoon evolved naturally without Celestial intervention...and were utterly unremarkable as a result.

Badoon have been grossly under-appreciated by Marvel, imo.


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      Ego seems to have been their handiwork. They once judged him/it.

    Wasn't Ego one of many other sentient planetoids? I seem to remember him getting absorbed by something called Super Ego that was absorbing others like Ego during Defalco's run on Thor.

    In fact didn't they create a whole galaxy and then destroy it so it could hatch a Celestial...I seem to remember that.

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    Yeah, but competition is competition, regardless of where it comes from. Skrull's and Kree's competition with themselves and each other and everyone else is still very present and would lead to evolution. Anyway, I have problems with that whole plotline. The idea of races so vast as them not evolving is ludicrous.


IIRC, one storyline explained that away by having the Crystal of Ultimate Vision that races sought out thinking it would grant you vast power. When a member of a race touched the crystal it would judge them by offering them unlimited power. If the person accepted the crystal would curse them by freezing their entire race in its evolutionary tracks. This happened to both the Kree and the Skrulls. Humsans survived them because Wolverine touched the crystal and rejected godhood. Its crappy that an entire race's future is decided by one of its member. Imagine if it was Dr. Doom touching the crystal and not Wolverine. But there you go.


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    One thing I've always wondered about...the races in the Shi'ar ...modified by Celestials or not? The multitude of power sets would seem to imply it but I don't remember anything ever tying the Shi'ar to the Celestials.


I don't think the Shi'ar themselves are. We cannot say for certain about the other species in the empire. Some of the Imperial Guard get their powers from technology or artificial mutation so those powers can be duplicated. A few like Gladiator are natural, but for them it is their entire species. No word yet on whether some are due to Celestials with one strain becoming dominate or not.


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    For whatever reason I've always assumed the Badoon evolved naturally without Celestial intervention...and were utterly unremarkable as a result.


IIRC, in some of the handbooks it stated the Badoon were one of the oldest races in the universe, but only recently acquires space travel. Their gender wars slowed their development. Yet like you said they are unremarkable. In some timeslines by the 30th century that have established an galaxy-wide empire. It fall apart soon afterwords. They are never the same major power as the Kree or Skrulls.



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      One thing I've always wondered about...the races in the Shi'ar ...modified by Celestials or not? The multitude of power sets would seem to imply it but I don't remember anything ever tying the Shi'ar to the Celestials.



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    I don't think the Shi'ar themselves are. We cannot say for certain about the other species in the empire. Some of the Imperial Guard get their powers from technology or artificial mutation so those powers can be duplicated. A few like Gladiator are natural, but for them it is their entire species. No word yet on whether some are due to Celestials with one strain becoming dominate or not.



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      For whatever reason I've always assumed the Badoon evolved naturally without Celestial intervention...and were utterly unremarkable as a result.



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    IIRC, in some of the handbooks it stated the Badoon were one of the oldest races in the universe, but only recently acquires space travel. Their gender wars slowed their development. Yet like you said they are unremarkable. In some timeslines by the 30th century that have established an galaxy-wide empire. It fall apart soon afterwords. They are never the same major power as the Kree or Skrulls.


One thing that has never been delved into to my satisfaction is the Sisterhood of the Badoon. Almost everything we know about the Sisterhood comes from their 31st century alternate history in the GotG timeline.

Personally I liked to see them introduced in the 21st century and be fleshed out. I know in recent years we've seen one or two of the female Badoon running around the 616 universe which if I'm not mistaken is the first time they've shown up since the 1970's. I've always assumed the Sisterhood were smarter than their male brethren but maybe in the 21st century that intelligence masks their own self interest and they aren't yet the enlightened souls we see in the 31st century.




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    So... "Genetic cleansing" wins the game? Yikes.


The universe isn't fair. Nor should it be.


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    Humans sharing a planet with races like the Eternals and Deviants may have created the competition necessary for humans to evolve.


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    Yeah, but competition is competition, regardless of where it comes from. Skrull's and Kree's competition with themselves and each other and everyone else is still very present and would lead to evolution. Anyway, I have problems with that whole plotline. The idea of races so vast as them not evolving is ludicrous.


The Skrulls have an excuse. They're from the Deviant branch. The potential for mutancy is supposed to be in the flatscan branch they wiped out. But even then you could argue they did evolve...the dire wraiths were also of that Deviant branch and evolved differently (then again sorcery may have caused their mutation). Plus mutancy has found its way into the deviant Skrull branch so that may imply that some of the flatscan Skrulls have passed their genes down to their mostly deviant Skrull descendants.

I guess the Kree don't have an excuse. I think it's been implied that the pink Kree are just mongrel Kree who are not full blooded Kree like the blues (I wonder where that black Kree Mon-Tog came from).

I personally have always wondered if there were any Kree Deviants left. We recently saw a Skrull eternal in Secret Invasion and one of the flatscans in Blackwulf. If we could just get the Kree Deviants the whole paradigm would be fleshed out.




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    Maybe the Skrulls killing off their flatscan and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Dire Wraiths) and the Kree killing off their deviant and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Cotati) rendered those experiments moot.



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    Humans sharing a planet with races like the Eternals and Deviants may have created the competition necessary for humans to evolve.


What I'm getting from the above, maybe incorrectly, is as follows:

Skrull shapeshifters = Deviants
Skrull analogy to Homo sapiens = "flatscans" = killed off
Skrull Eternals = killed off
Dire Wraiths = ???

Kree blue skins = "flatscans" = Kree analogy to Homo sapiens
Kree Deviants = killed off
Kree Eternals = killed off
Cotati = ???

What would be the Earth analogy to Dire Wraiths? To Cotati?

Aside from that, do I have the above correct?






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      Maybe the Skrulls killing off their flatscan and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Dire Wraiths) and the Kree killing off their deviant and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Cotati) rendered those experiments moot.

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    What I'm getting from the above, maybe incorrectly, is as follows:

    Skrull shapeshifters = Deviants
    Skrull analogy to Homo sapiens = "flatscans" = killed off
    Skrull Eternals = killed off
    Dire Wraiths = ???

Dire Wraiths are a subspecies of Deviants. We saw the last flatscan Skrull in the Blackwulf series.


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    Kree blue skins = "flatscans" = Kree analogy to Homo sapiens
    Kree Deviants = killed off
    Kree Eternals = killed off
    Cotati = ???

Cotati are separate race. We've never actually seen or heard of Kree Deviants. We've only heard of one Eternal, Ultimus, the last.


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    What would be the Earth analogy to Dire Wraiths? To Cotati?

Marvel Earth seems to have tons of hidden races that are offshoots of humanity. Hmm... Krakoa, perhaps?


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    Aside from that, do I have the above correct?

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      Maybe the Skrulls killing off their flatscan and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Dire Wraiths) and the Kree killing off their deviant and eternal counterparts (and scaring off the Cotati) rendered those experiments moot.

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        Humans sharing a planet with races like the Eternals and Deviants may have created the competition necessary for humans to evolve.



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    What I'm getting from the above, maybe incorrectly, is as follows:



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    Skrull shapeshifters = Deviants
    Skrull analogy to Homo sapiens = "flatscans" = killed off
    Skrull Eternals = killed off
    Dire Wraiths = ???


The Dire Wraiths are supposedly from that Deviant branch. One thing I've never understood is if the Dire Wraiths were descended from your typical short green elf eared Skrulls or if both the the Wraiths and the Skrulls were descended from some primitive Deviant species that hadn't decided on a form yet....or maybe the Wraiths are just what happens when Skrulls get their hands on sorcery.


We have seen one Skrull normal (I use the term flatscan but that isn't in the books so feel free to disregard it) and one Skrull Eternal. The rest as far as we know have been exterminated by the Deviants.

The Skrull normal who is descended from the non-Deviant branch on Skrullos: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/primeskrull.htm

The Skrull Eternal: http://marvel.wikia.com/Kly%27bn_%28Earth-616%29





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    Kree blue skins = "flatscans" = Kree analogy to Homo sapiens
    Kree Deviants = killed off
    Kree Eternals = killed off
    Cotati = ???


Ultimus (http://marvel.wikia.com/Ard-Con_%28Earth-616%29) is the only known Kree Eternal. And maybe it's just me but the idea that Kree or Skrulls with prehistoric weaponry could wipe out their respective Eternal counterparts seems implausible. I'm assuming the Kree and Skrulls wiped out their respective eternals AFTER they became intergalactic super powers.

There has never been any evidence that the Kree Deviants ever existed. It just seems logical that they would have at one point existed on Hala going by what we know of how the Celestials experiments on Skrullos and Earth played out. I figure the Collector and the Stranger would each want one if they still existed.


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    What would be the Earth analogy to Dire Wraiths? To Cotati?


The Cotati are outside of the paradigm as they are sentient plants who presumably were untouched by the Celestials. The Wraiths are a subset of the Deviant Skrulls.

But I suppose the Atlanteans would qualify as a subset of humanity much in the same way Wraiths are for the Skrulls. They certainly qualify as a fourth race on earth.




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    Cotati are separate race. We've never actually seen or heard of Kree Deviants. We've only heard of one Eternal, Ultimus, the last.


someone will eventually write the fanfic explaining that the Kree Deviants evolved into the Cotati...logic be damned.





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Except for the fact that the concept of Kree Eternals never caught on.




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