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Along with the rest of the 5,876 new titels marvel has 2 new titles that are based on DC charecters:
Squadron Supreme - justice league
Hiperion - Superman
NightHawk - Batman

sure it's a diffrent names, costumes and even attitudes. but it's still a thinly vailed copies.

do they have the Moral right to publish a line based on their rivel properties?


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    Along with the rest of the 5,876 new titels marvel has 2 new titles that are based on DC charecters:
    Squadron Supreme - justice league
    Hiperion - Superman
    NightHawk - Batman


I hope they don't bother with a Squadron Supreme book. It's too on the nose.


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    sure it's a diffrent names, costumes and even attitudes. but it's still a thinly vailed copies.


The attitudes are important. Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are popular as much for their personalities as for anything else.


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    do they have the Moral right to publish a line based on their rival properties?


I think maybe they do, though I admit it's a gray area. After all, Superman was a Moses/Samson combo when he first started. Batman was a Zorro analogue.







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The Black Guardian

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They are not truly copies. If there the slightest thing wrong with it, DC would be in court.




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Jack Watkins




I always thought the Shadow was the big inspiration for Batman, his first story is exactly the same as an old Shadow pulp.

I've personally always rejected the idea of Superman as Moses. Moses became the hero of the Jews not the Egyptians. So it would have to be Moses in reverse. I remember reading in Gerard Jones book about the Golden Age that Doc Samson was a big influence for Siegel and that the powers idea came from not Samson, but rather Hugo Danner from the book Gladiator.

Just an interesting tidbit of history and theory.


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USAgentfan


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Pretty much every character at either of the big two publishers has been influenced by a character from the other, but that isn't a moral issue so long as those similarities remain superficial as is the case.

Alternatively we can look at it this way - If Rob Liefeld can admit that 'Wade Wilson' Deadpool was a straight rip-off of DC's 'Slade Wilson' Deathstrike and get away with it, then all bets are off for anyone else!




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D. Strange




Mart Nodell straight up said that Aladdin inspired Green Lantern. There are only so many heroic archetypes. Yeah Batman was very close to the Shadow and Superman was a combination of sci-fi and pulp ideas, but in the end it is what you do with them.

I always liked the Nighhawk of the Defenders, and superficially he was very much Batman, but once you dived into the character he became is own and very interesting character.

A good writer can always find a creative way to make a story more unique, no matter what it is.


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D. Strange







This probably is one of the truest things you'll read all week.They are not truly copies. If there the slightest thing wrong with it, DC would be in court.


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Daveym

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I see no real failing in exploiting Nighthawk and Hyperion as they are but two in a sea of Batman/Superman analogues that are present throughout comics. Where I think it does become a bit much is the idea of an ongoing Squadron Supreme series rather than a mini-series, if Marvel push such a series hard then it is clearly intended as a direct rival to DCs JLA and Earth-2 books and even using a writer well known for his work on both, and that is pushing it too far in my view. Both companies copy from the other, but they should restrain from blatantly cloning a cast of characters and setting them up as a mirror group in their own book just to give the finger and antagonise...

Having said that I am certainy intrigued by James Robinson's involvment. He turned Earth-2 into an overnight success, he can do the same for the Squadron.



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