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    OH.MY.GALADORIAN! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG! ... hmmph ...
    angry_fist Way to drop the ball, Marvel.


How did they drop the ball? Isn't this good news?

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Marvel doesn't want to pay for using Roma rights. They have their reasons.


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It's ROM without all of the groovy stuff Marvel gave it. It's just about the toy.

"...the things Marvel created around the series, the specific space knights, backstory beyond that on the original toy's box, and all the Marvel Universe elements, those things stay with Marvel."

I mean, it could be cool, but I never liked a the toy at all. Adored the comic. It's just not going to be the same.




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    It's ROM without all of the groovy stuff Marvel gave it. It's just about the toy.



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    "...the things Marvel created around the series, the specific space knights, backstory beyond that on the original toy's box, and all the Marvel Universe elements, those things stay with Marvel."


I think the best example is that Marvel created the Dire Wraiths.


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    I mean, it could be cool, but I never liked a the toy at all. Adored the comic. It's just not going to be the same.








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Looks like IDW has secured the rights and this is an all new series.

He pretty much looks the same except for an improvement that you will see on the cover.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-rom-the-spaceknight-shoots-for-the-stars-with-ryall-gage

The marvel series was about ROM and his mission against the Wraiths.

The problem IDW has is that the Wraiths, Galador, and ALL the other spaceknights are Marvel creations and Marvel likely still owns them all and won't part with them.

marvel likely feels that they got all the mileage out of ROM that they could and that the demand isnt there for a return of ROM. Galador and the spaceknights Marvel created seem to only be trotted out when it is time to renew the trademarks anyway.

Also who knows? Perhaps by not doing reprints, etc. they get out of any royalties or credit due to Bill Mantlo. Wouldn't be the first time a writer was shafted.

So we get all new material. Also hopefully a few upgrades to ROM

The whole ROM trademark situation is similar to the Captain Marvel trademark situation between DC and Marvel

DC owns the original character (Captain Marvel/SHAZAM) and all characters associated with it.

MARVEL however has the trademark rights to publish a book titled Captain Marvel. As long as they regularly publish anything titled Captain Marvel they keep the trademark.

Neither company wants to part with their Captain Marvel trademarks, hence DC now calls him SHAZAM.

For IDW they can use ROM but nothing that Marvel created: the other spaceknights, Galador, Brandy Clark, Dire Wraiths, etc.

Marvel cannot call ROM by name or show him in Spaceknight armor form. For a time they did use his human form but they don't even do that now. Thanks to the Spaceknights mini series years ago, he is missing and presumed dead, no body has been found.


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I might. I'm often unimpressed by the art quality in IDW (or Dynamite or BOOM) comics. But if the art is pretty good, I may give the book a shot.

How about you?






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I certainly will, and I hope enough people do that shows Marvel what they're missing.

I hope Ryall and Gage write a great story and gain a whole new generation of fans. I have confidence in Gage.

I just have very low expectations.




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    It's ROM without all of the groovy stuff Marvel gave it. It's just about the toy.



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    "...the things Marvel created around the series, the specific space knights, backstory beyond that on the original toy's box, and all the Marvel Universe elements, those things stay with Marvel."



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    I mean, it could be cool, but I never liked a the toy at all. Adored the comic. It's just not going to be the same.


Yeah I should have noticed the IDW logo...

I liked the Wraiths more than the Spaceknight stuff.


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Artwork is all in the eye of the beholder.

many have read what I think of the crummy artwork that is in the Spider books and other Marvel titles.

Conversely the artwork in SOME of the third party companies has been good. Kevin Smith's Bionic Man series had some good art along with the Season 6 of the Six Million Dollar Man. Other books from the third party companies have had at times some atrocious artwork. Some of the Star Wars comics spring to mind.

As to the new ROM, I am curious about it. The main problem I foresee is that it is a nostalgia character now and unless it basically sets fandom on fire right away, ROM will go back into the toybox again.

I can understand why Marvel didnt appear to want to shell out the money to keep/regain the trademark.

The ROM toy was frankly, not one of the all time best sellers. The original comic series ran 75 issues and had a happy ending, despite needing some Deus Ex Machina writing on the part of making ROM human again. The Spaceknights miniseries was a nice followup, but again demand just didn't seem to be there.

So here's to hoping the new ROM universe lasts.

Plus they did away with the mitten hands and gave him fingers so that is a plus already. ;\)


Also on a somewhat scary note, since Transformers, GI JOE and ROM as hasbro properties.....


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    Artwork is all in the eye of the beholder.



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    many have read what I think of the crummy artwork that is in the Spider books and other Marvel titles.


True. Marvel and DC sometimes hire artists whose work turns me away from a comic I would otherwise buy, for example the upcoming Cage & Iron Fist.


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    Conversely the artwork in SOME of the third party companies has been good. Kevin Smith's Bionic Man series had some good art along with the Season 6 of the Six Million Dollar Man. Other books from the third party companies have had at times some atrocious artwork. Some of the Star Wars comics spring to mind.


True again.

Unfortunately, I have looked many times at IDW, Dynamite, and BOOM, and have repeatedly (though not absolutely always) found the art work amateurish compared to the best of Marvel or DC. Not compared to the worst, of course.


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    So here's to hoping the new ROM universe lasts.


It would certainly be cool if it did.


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    Plus they did away with the mitten hands and gave him fingers so that is a plus already. ;\)


I was cool with the mittens.


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    Also on a somewhat scary note, since Transformers, GI JOE and ROM as hasbro properties.....


And as it turns out, IDW is currently publishing Transformers and GI Joe!

Have those two properties crossed over yet?

Would you like it if ROM crossed over with both of them?







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Someone on CBR posited IDW's ROM should fight the Quintessons. I'd be cool with that.

Or I suggested bring more old Hasbro toys for him to fight, like Tendril from Inhumanoids. Plant vs Robot. Nature vs Artificial. Maybe enhance Tendril's Lovecraftian side.




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    Someone on CBR posited IDW's ROM should fight the Quintessons. I'd be cool with that.


I had to look them up. I see they're a Transformers concept. I think ROM and his world would fit beautifully with the Transformers and their world. Living machines are the big idea in both cases.


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    Or I suggested bring more old Hasbro toys for him to fight, like Tendril from Inhumanoids. Plant vs Robot. Nature vs Artificial. Maybe enhance Tendril's Lovecraftian side.


That would be really cool.






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I am not a huge fan of franchise crossovers.

That being said, if ROM does arrive on Earth in IDW and they establish that it IS the same Earth/universe as GI Joe, then they could recreate the old marvel era of ROM starting with ROM #51 when he made the whole Earth aware of the war with the Wraiths and how because of their recent actions ROM will now have his neutralizer set on KILL mode rather then banishment. After that SHIELD became involved and worked with ROM.

Soon after came the mutant FORGE and his own neutralizer he built after looking at ROM's and how he built a power booster for ROM's and more...

As to crossing to the Transformers, presuming that this new ROM's neutralizer does in fact nullify any energy source it hits then he could too easily shut down any Transformer he blasts.


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    I am not a huge fan of franchise crossovers.


Yet a lot of the fun of ROM was his interaction with the greater Marvel Universe, no?

IDW's universe would be GI Joe and the Transformers. Have these two met each other yet?


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    That being said, if ROM does arrive on Earth in IDW and they establish that it IS the same Earth/universe as GI Joe, then they could recreate the old marvel era of ROM starting with ROM #51 when he made the whole Earth aware of the war with the Wraiths and how because of their recent actions ROM will now have his neutralizer set on KILL mode rather then banishment. After that SHIELD became involved and worked with ROM.


Or maybe GI Joe could keep the secret. GI Joe is analogous to SHIELD so some of the old Marvel fun could certainly be rekindled.


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    Soon after came the mutant FORGE and his own neutralizer he built after looking at ROM's and how he built a power booster for ROM's and more...



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    As to crossing to the Transformers, presuming that this new ROM's neutralizer does in fact nullify any energy source it hits then he could too easily shut down any Transformer he blasts.


One of my gripes about ROM back in the day was that his weapon was too powerful and too final. This was similar to my gripe about Roy Thomas's original version of Warlock, who could devolve any sapient being to a prior, non-sapient stage of its biological evolution. Too powerful. Too final.

I'm hoping the new neutralizer will be less powerful and less final in what it does.






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The capabilities of ROM's neutralizer:

1. Banish wraiths to limbo, it was later shown that this setting could send anyone to limbo, even ROM himself when he was caught in the beam. He also used this to send a renegade Spaceknight to Limbo.

2. KILL setting. This setting would kill almost anyone hit by it. Galactus of course easily repelled this attack. Also at a time when Dire Wraith magic was augmented they could disperse or repel the beam of the neutralizer.

3. Combined setting of banish/kill. This was the only setting that could work against Hybrid.

4. nullify any energy source it contacts. This could shut down machinery or magic sources since magic is energy. Again, some forces such as Galactus or overamped magic wielders could repel/deflect this. This beam could also cure people of radiation poisoning such as when he cured people afflicted by gamma rays and when he fought the Hulk who was reverting to savage Hulk from Banner Hulk after the first Secret war. The beam slightly calmed Hulk for a moment but ROM realized it couldn't cure the HULK.

When ROM's son, Liberator Spaceknight inherited the neutralizer its functions were the same, but also it had an A.I. in it that would judge if one was worthy to wield it and to defend itself from being destroyed by a saboteur.

The Neutralizer also was capable of slaying the Death wings spawned from the Black Sun itself.


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    The capabilities of ROM's neutralizer:



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    1. Banish wraiths to limbo, it was later shown that this setting could send anyone to limbo, even ROM himself when he was caught in the beam. He also used this to send a renegade Spaceknight to Limbo.



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    2. KILL setting. This setting would kill almost anyone hit by it. Galactus of course easily repelled this attack. Also at a time when Dire Wraith magic was augmented they could disperse or repel the beam of the neutralizer.



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    3. Combined setting of banish/kill. This was the only setting that could work against Hybrid.



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    4. nullify any energy source it contacts. This could shut down machinery or magic sources since magic is energy. Again, some forces such as Galactus or overamped magic wielders could repel/deflect this. This beam could also cure people of radiation poisoning such as when he cured people afflicted by gamma rays and when he fought the Hulk who was reverting to savage Hulk from Banner Hulk after the first Secret war. The beam slightly calmed Hulk for a moment but ROM realized it couldn't cure the HULK.



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    When ROM's son, Liberator Spaceknight inherited the neutralizer its functions were the same, but also it had an A.I. in it that would judge if one was worthy to wield it and to defend itself from being destroyed by a saboteur.



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    The Neutralizer also was capable of slaying the Death wings spawned from the Black Sun itself.


Forge's inferior copy of the Neutralizer had the unintended side effect of turning off a super beings power. Storm was powerless for a couple years as a result I think. Volx the Wraith Queen later tried to use Forge's version to take away the powers of everyone on earth.


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Forge did attempt to replicate the neutralizer and energy analyzer with the result being devices that would neutralize and detect mutants.

The device did blast Storm, but Rogue was the intended target.

Storm's powers were indeed nullified for some time, though on occasion of extreme emotion from her the weather would alter to reflect her mood.

Forge's neutralizer was then shown in IRON MAN back when Rhodey was in the suit while Tony was still recovering from the bottle. Rhodey was starting to act irrational and was facing a mutant corporate saboteur named TERMITE. Tony zapped him with the neutralizer and Rhodey as IM in a fit of anger destroyed the neutralizer.

Forge meanwhile was working on a powerbooster for ROM's neutralizer. It was in orbit and the stated plan was to zap all of Earth with the augmented beam for a mass banishment of the wraiths to Limbo with the side effect being that all heroes and villains get a simultaneous depowering.

Henry Peter Gyrich was all for this and was becoming obsessed with the plan. However ROM and Forge were secretly going to turn the augmented beam onto WRAITHWORLD itself as it entered Earth orbit before it could merge with Earth. The plan worked, and Wraithworld was negated and sent to Limbo causing all Wraiths in the cosmos to lose their source of magic power.

The booster needed ROM's neutralizer to work but it was subsequently dismantled.

The heroes on Earth gathered to fight all the Wraiths at that moment and after they were beaten, Captain America said only ROM had the right to judge and sentence them. ROM arrives and sends the gathered Wraiths to Limbo thus Earth is purged of Wraiths and he heads into space to find Galador.


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