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I stumbled across yet another youtube video about how Captain Marvel is basically being forced upon us in the MCU & the comics as "the best". People really resent it. Her character certainly hasn't resonated with me. (I liked her a lot better as Warbird in Busiek's Avengers)

It got me thinking about which Marvel female characters I think are worth the effort to elevate to top tier. I've got a list of heroes I'm working on, but it turned out easier for me to make a list of 10 female villains I think could be made into recurring BIG threats with just a little bit of work.

Alkhema https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Alkhema_(Earth-616)

Create by Ultron to be a mate, they "broke up" over Alkhema asserting her independence, as well as Alkhema prefering to kill humans slowly "for fun" rather than Ultron's more efficient methods. She's a powerhouse team-beater with a sadistic streak. You could play with a "AI rights" angle with her as well.

Baroness Blood https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lily_Cromwell_(Earth-616)

I don't really know as much about her. I'm just thinking that you can't go wrong with a nazi vampire.

Lynn Church https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lynn_Church_(Earth-616)

She's a powerful cyborg. She's manipulative, and she has pull as a head of the Secret Empire. She's smart enough to play several sides against each other to get what she wants. Her "death" was ambiguous enough to be easily undone.

Death Locket https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Rebecca_Ryker_(Earth-616)

Watching her transform into a genuine villain over the "Avengers Arena" and the "Avengers Underground" limited serieses was a lot of fun. She's got enough power to be a threat on her own, and has built what she considers friendships in the junior league Masters of Evil. She's seriously unstable, and considers herself justified in her actions.

Genecide https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Genecide_(Earth-616)

I like her because of her unique motivations, tied to her powers. Genecide can see people's genetic codes. As such, she's made it her mission to keep the human race healthy by eliminating those with genetic inferiorities. She can also manipulate her own genetics to change her appearance, and heal wounds almost instantly.

Head Hunter https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Headhunter_(Mutant)_(Earth-616)

I don't know that she has powers, but she's smart, pragmatic, and connected in the underworld. Head Hunter could give heroes serious trouble running criminal organization(s).

Jade Claw https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Suwan_(Earth-616)

Jimmy Woo's girlfriend, and Yellow Claw's (Golden Claw if you read the AMAZING original Agents of Atlas limited series) granddaughter. Jade Claw now ruthlessly runs the Asian, MASSIVE criminal organization Great Wall. She's seriously cutthroat, is a business threat, and a battlefield commander.

Nightshade https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Tilda_Johnson_(Earth-616)

I'm aware of her transformation into Nighthawk in the Occupy Avengers series, but she's SO MUCH FUN as Nightshade. She could probably wear more clothes, in order to be taken a little more seriously. She's a criminal genius who enjoys mixing it up with the heroes. She's also capable of running a gang of low level super villains.

If you're in love with Nightshade as Nighthawk, then substitute in The Albino as a female supervillain genius. She has the potential to be an engaging character, she just hasn't had much time on panel to be developed. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Augusta_Seger_(Earth-616)

Celia Ricadonna https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Celia_Ricadonna_(Earth-616)

Another successful criminal organizer. Celia is all about revenge, and she has superpowers thanks to (I think) a skrull organ transplant. Celia has had success organizing and working with low level super villains.

Warrior Woman https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Julia_Koenig_(Earth-616)

Another nazi super-woman. She's evil, she's dedicated to her cause, and she's tough.


I'd love for any of these characters to be built up over time as a serious threat in the Marvel universe, and I think they all have what it takes to be credible threats.

What do you think of my list? Who is on your list of female characters who are credible threats to the heroes of the 616?



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zeus


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I totally dig Ruby Thursday, and she's got the uhm...brain power to be a major baddie, but her look has got to change if she's going to be taken seriously by the reader OR anyone in the 616. I think it was Jerry Morgan who described her as a porn star body with a blow pop head. It's tough to argue that...


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    I totally dig Ruby Thursday, and she's got the uhm...brain power to be a major baddie, but her look has got to change if she's going to be taken seriously by the reader OR anyone in the 616. I think it was Jerry Morgan who described her as a porn star body with a blow pop head. It's tough to argue that...


I am a Mysterio fan. So, I don't mind. \:\-\)

She is crazy like the Joker, crooked like Lex Luthor and brilliant like Brainiac.

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Meh. Just change the clothes. She's not really any different than Nightshade, who used to be in leather undies.




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zeus


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Yeah. I think I’d like to see Nightshade still
Be Nightshade, but put on a few more clothes.


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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/insomniadd.htm



She only needs a better nom de guerre.



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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/hippolyt.htm

Evil Wonder Woman resurrected by the Gods of Death.


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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix8/doctor_minervakree.htm

She could easily be the Carol Danvers equivalent to the Reverse Flash.


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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ironmad1.htm

Perhaps, after the release of the Black Widow movie, she might appear more often in the comics.


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A powerhouse, one of the most famous Thor characters since the Silver Age, a creation of Stan Lee & Jack Kirby and yet she is currently overshadowed by other witches such as Morgan Le Fay or Selene.


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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/geminive.htm

Very powerful and, currently, still at large (except if she had been killed off-panel after her last appearance in the Defenders book).


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Insomnia - She was brand new to me. I like her. The power set is straightforward, and makes sense. She'd be all the more interesting if they really leaned in to the adrenaline pumping aspect, and we saw a constant nervous energy at work.

Hippolyta - Yes. She could be a big-name antagonist across the MU.

Dr. Minerva - She could certainly be Carol's opposite number. If the Kree were to be positioned as a semi-permanent threat to humanity, Dr. Minerva could certainly branch out from Carol's shadow.

Iron Maiden - I don't know her. I'll take your word on her potential.

Enchantress - Maybe, if her motivation were widened beyond pursing Thor or making Thor jealous. Does she do things other than that? The little bit that I've read of her leads me to believe she mostly acts out like a child who wants attention, or is pouting because they can't have what they want. Is that fair to say? If so, could she be a credible recurring threat that people wouldn't get sick of reading about?

Vera Gemini - I don't know this one. Demons? Sure. Why not?


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    Insomnia - She was brand new to me. I like her. The power set is straightforward, and makes sense. She'd be all the more interesting if they really leaned in to the adrenaline pumping aspect, and we saw a constant nervous energy at work.


Yes, I think that she needs a new moniker instead of Insomnia but I can see her fighting Daredevil, Moon Knight, Nighthawk, Captain America or Misty Knight.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=mub-2011072819153513
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=mub-2018121810085362
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=mub-2012061217470610
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=mub-2014021115411366
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2013102912404267
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=daredevil-2011081010011487
After all, she could become the Marvel equivalent to Mister X.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=comicbattles-2019111809252041



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    Iron Maiden - I don't know her. I'll take your word on her potential.

Even though she is an obscure character, she is the opposite number of Black Widow. \:\-\)
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2018032210172737
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2018032717354086
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=avengers-2019120413413520
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=avengers-2018011117281301
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=mub-2019073113412648



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    Enchantress - Maybe, if her motivation were widened beyond pursing Thor or making Thor jealous

Actually, it has been a very long time since she cared about that.
She even managed to marry King Thor once.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Amora_(Earth-3515)

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    Does she do things other than that? The little bit that I've read of her leads me to believe she mostly acts out like a child who wants attention, or is pouting because they can't have what they want. Is that fair to say? If so, could she be a credible recurring threat that people wouldn't get sick of reading about?

In my opinion, she should be one of the top tier villains of the Marvel Universe, the Marvel equivalent to Poison Ivy & Circe.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=gsmb-2019110610265206&layout=visual


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    Vera Gemini - I don't know this one. Demons? Sure. Why not?

Same background than Hellstrom & Satana and her name comes from a song of the Blue Oyster Cult.
She was a foe of the Defenders, the nemesis of Devil-Slayer and she even managed to steal the Eye of Agamotto from Dr. Strange.
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?msg=mub-2018112913592475
https://www.comicboards.com/php/show.php?rpy=gsmb-2017112716292363



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http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/impalabg.htm
https://www.writeups.org/impala-bad-girls-marvel-comics/

I can see her as a Reverse Dora Milaje (especially since she encountered one of the Coal Tigers).


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