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I was thinking today about how most people prefer the original to a do-over or remake, in pretty much any medium.

It got me wondering, what replacement characters do you prefer over the original?

Ben Reilly over Peter Parker?
Laura Kinney over Logan?
Amadeus Cho over Bruce Banner?

Anyone?


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Ben Reilly would have been fine had they not tried to make him out to be the original Peter.

As to the others, Logan and Banner


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    I was thinking today about how most people prefer the original to a do-over or remake, in pretty much any medium.



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    It got me wondering, what replacement characters do you prefer over the original?



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    Ben Reilly over Peter Parker?
    Laura Kinney over Logan?
    Amadeus Cho over Bruce Banner?


For each other those, I wouldn't say either is better, just different, and I'm thrilled that they exist.
* Peter is more relatable. Ben is edgier.
* I've been pretty much done with Wolverine as a character since 1993. Magneto could have permanently killed him in Fatal Attractions and I'd have been cool with it. Laura's more relatable to me. In fact, I didn't want Logan to be resurrected this last time and still want Laura to own the codename.
* Bruce is a stick-in-the-mud depression fest, whereas Amadeus is sweet fun. Both have worth, but I get tired of depression fests a lot easier. Never get tired of fun.


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Kamala > Carol - I'm still a huge fan of Carol despite several things. But at this point, I think Carol have been victimized by too many writers (including KSD). Kamala is free of that. Also, she's more relatable, almost like she's Peter dressed as Carol.

I really wasn't a fan of the recent Vision maxiseries until Viv's development afterwards. I've loved Vision since the beginning. He might be my Top 5 Avengers. But she's come damn near close.

The new Wasp (Nadia) is better than Jan at this point. For decades, Jan's just become mostly horrible, imo.

On the other hand, I still don't care about Sam Alexander, and he's not even in the same universe of awesomeness as Rider.

Miles Morales is okay. I don't dislike him, but he's nowhere near Peter. As far as Spider-characters go, I don't think he's even in my Top 5.

I've really wanted to like Riri, but I'm just not there yet, and I'm not holding my breath.

As a team, I think I'm a bigger fan of the Champions than Avengers... at least until Aaron leaves.

Aaand... I don't really like any of the Young Avengers, especially Kate Bishop.




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I am not familiar enough with Laura Kinney, so it is possible. I like Ben Reilly, buy not more than Pete.


As for the better replacements...

I think Bruce Banner is better than the original Hulk..,Xemnu. I know that is probably controversial.

While I think the stories were better for Mar-Vell, I like Genis more as a character. Though, I do still really like Marv.

Harry Osborn, in my book, is a better Green Goblin than Norman.

More of a Beta Ray Bill fan that Thor (no opinion of Jane Foster, good or bad).

Scott Lang is probably better than Hank Pym.

The son out shined the original Zemo.

Spider-Gwen is actually interesting, unlike the original from 616.

I don't think Miles is better that the 616 Pete, but maybe better than the Ultimate version.

I wouldn't say over all Danny Ketch was better than Johnny Blaze, but there were some moments he out-shinned him.

There were seriously Times Rhodey was better than Tony Stark as Iron Man.

This might be a cheat, but I think the government sponsored X-Factor was better than the still excellent Louise Simonson created one, and the Madrox led Detective years were better than that.



If you will indulge me with some DC ones...

Kyle Rayner, Alan Scott, and and John Stewart are all better than the most popular... Hal Jordan.

Wally West and Jay Garrick are both better than Barry Allen.

Cassandra Cain is better than Barbara Gordon.

If we look ONLY at the 21st century, I think Dick Grayson was a better Batman than Bruce. Not if we include 2000 and before.




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I checked out the last Scarlet Spider series, starring both Reilly and Kaine. Without having read the latest Clone Saga, I was missing a lot of context.


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    * I've been pretty much done with Wolverine as a character since 1993. Magneto could have permanently killed him in Fatal Attractions and I'd have been cool with it. Laura's more relatable to me. In fact, I didn't want Logan to be resurrected this last time and still want Laura to own the codename.


I could take or leave Wolverine also, but it took me a little longer to get there...


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    * Bruce is a stick-in-the-mud depression fest, whereas Amadeus is sweet fun. Both have worth, but I get tired of depression fests a lot easier. Never get tired of fun.


I like Amadeus a LOT, as Amadeus. I only read about him as Hulk in Champions, but I didn't recognize the character at all. Maybe it was part of his character arc that he stopped thinking when he got smart, but it removed what I liked about him.


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    Kamala > Carol - I'm still a huge fan of Carol despite several things. But at this point, I think Carol have been victimized by too many writers (including KSD). Kamala is free of that. Also, she's more relatable, almost like she's Peter dressed as Carol.


I haven't liked Carol since her last Ms. Marvel series. Kamala is fine, I guess. Again, my main exposure to her is from Champions, where she was a bit overbearing.


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    I really wasn't a fan of the recent Vision maxiseries until Viv's development afterwards. I've loved Vision since the beginning. He might be my Top 5 Avengers. But she's come damn near close.


LOVED Vision's maxiseries. Viv was the reason I bought Champions.


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    The new Wasp (Nadia) is better than Jan at this point. For decades, Jan's just become mostly horrible, imo.


Don't really know her. Haven't read anything with Wasp in it in a while, either.


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    On the other hand, I still don't care about Sam Alexander, and he's not even in the same universe of awesomeness as Rider.


Truth, although I actually enjoyed Sam in Champions. His relationship with Miles was one of the best part of the series.


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    Miles Morales is okay. I don't dislike him, but he's nowhere near Peter. As far as Spider-characters go, I don't think he's even in my Top 5.


I liked Kaine in the last volume of New Warriors, and I've always been fond of Julia Carpenter.


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    I've really wanted to like Riri, but I'm just not there yet, and I'm not holding my breath.



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    As a team, I think I'm a bigger fan of the Champions than Avengers... at least until Aaron leaves.


Ugh. I hung with Champions for about 6 issues or so. Then the issue where it was REALLY REALLY important that they stay popular online. That issue made it clear that the series was aiming for someone younger than me.


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    Aaand... I don't really like any of the Young Avengers, especially Kate Bishop.


I LOVED the first volume.


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    I think Bruce Banner is better than the original Hulk..,Xemnu. I know that is probably controversial.


Truth.


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    While I think the stories were better for Mar-Vell, I like Genis more as a character. Though, I do still really like Marv.


I don't really know Mar-Vell, outside his handful of appearances in Avengers.


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    Harry Osborn, in my book, is a better Green Goblin than Norman.


I can get behind that.


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    More of a Beta Ray Bill fan that Thor (no opinion of Jane Foster, good or bad).


I can definitely get behind this.


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    Scott Lang is probably better than Hank Pym.


You lost me here.


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    The son out shined the original Zemo.


YES!


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    There were seriously Times Rhodey was better than Tony Stark as Iron Man.


Truth.


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    This might be a cheat, but I think the government sponsored X-Factor was better than the still excellent Louise Simonson created one, and the Madrox led Detective years were better than that.


Can't argue with this...


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    If you will indulge me with some DC ones...


Someone else will have to comment on these. I've been a Marvel zombie since day one of my collecting.


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    I am not familiar enough with Laura Kinney, so it is possible. I like Ben Reilly, buy not more than Pete.



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    As for the better replacements...



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    I think Bruce Banner is better than the original Hulk..,Xemnu. I know that is probably controversial.



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    While I think the stories were better for Mar-Vell, I like Genis more as a character. Though, I do still really like Marv.


Were it up to me, both of the Vell kids would be gone, retroactively.


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    Harry Osborn, in my book, is a better Green Goblin than Norman.


Him being a Goblin is what ruined him as a character, imo.


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    More of a Beta Ray Bill fan that Thor (no opinion of Jane Foster, good or bad).


As much as I like Bill, I think he's almost devoid of personality. When written well, Thor is great.

Thinking too much about Jane gets me really mad. Even now as Valkyrie.


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    Scott Lang is probably better than Hank Pym.


I used to say this, but those last few Ant-Man series really used him horribly, imo. And imo, Pym became better than Ant-Man.


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    The son out shined the original Zemo.


Well, yeah. That's pretty much his point.


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    Spider-Gwen is actually interesting, unlike the original from 616.


Don't agree. Well, unless you include that Sins Past crap. Original Gwen was completely awesomeness. It still floors me that they turned her into a musician.


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    This might be a cheat, but I think the government sponsored X-Factor was better than the still excellent Louise Simonson created one, and the Madrox led Detective years were better than that.


Well, agreed with that latter part. Government X-Factor may have been written well, but that doesn't mean the team was better. And I think Havok and Polaris were better not superheroing.


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    If you will indulge me with some DC ones...



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    Kyle Rayner, Alan Scott, and and John Stewart are all better than the most popular... Hal Jordan.



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    Wally West and Jay Garrick are both better than Barry Allen.


I still don't understand what people see in the original Alan Scott. I find him laughable, and Jade was better. Pretty much across the board, DC's Silver Age recreations were better, imo. Except for the cartoons, John has been an absolute nothing as a character, misused more than used well (almost to the point of it being offensive). Guy is probably second best GL. Replacing Hal is what drove me away from DC until his return.

The 90s... generally, can't stand much about it from either company... and Image.




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    Were it up to me, both of the Vell kids would be gone, retroactively.


Except for how it would affect DNA's Guardians of the Galaxy run, I wouldn't bat an eye.


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      Harry Osborn, in my book, is a better Green Goblin than Norman.



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    Him being a Goblin is what ruined him as a character, imo.


I never really got serious about reading Spider-Man, so I've only really known Harry post-Goblin. One of my favorite Spider-Man stories is "The Child Within" from Spectacular Spider-Man (somewhere in the late 160s/early 170s?) that plays with the parent-issues of Peter, Harry AND Vermin. It's heavy stuff.


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      More of a Beta Ray Bill fan that Thor (no opinion of Jane Foster, good or bad).



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    As much as I like Bill, I think he's almost devoid of personality. When written well, Thor is great.


I don't know. I probably need to go back and re-read Simonson' run, but I don't know that I've ever really read Thor as a complex, well developed character.


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    Thinking too much about Jane gets me really mad. Even now as Valkyrie.



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      Scott Lang is probably better than Hank Pym.



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    I used to say this, but those last few Ant-Man series really used him horribly, imo. And imo, Pym became better than Ant-Man.


Give me red-jumpsuit Dr. Pym or crazy-@$$ Wasp any day.


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      The son out shined the original Zemo.



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    Well, yeah. That's pretty much his point.


yup.



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      This might be a cheat, but I think the government sponsored X-Factor was better than the still excellent Louise Simonson created one, and the Madrox led Detective years were better than that.



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    Well, agreed with that latter part. Government X-Factor may have been written well, but that doesn't mean the team was better. And I think Havok and Polaris were better not superheroing.


Gov't X-Factor weren't better super-heroes, but they were a heck of a lot more fun to read.


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Hobgoblin was better than the Green Goblin. Hobgoblin took the goblin concept and separated it from the toxicity of the Osborn family. It was a great concept that fell apart due to well-documented editorial politics. If he had been revealed to be Richard Fisk instead of Kingsley, Hobgoblin would probably be a major presence and Norman may not have been revived.

Otto was better than Peter as Spider-man. FAR more effective. His brief time as Spidey made Peter seem like a complete failure who squandered his intelligence and potential. It made Peter's immaturity look like a tragic flaw, which was probably a meta dig at Peter's constant de-aging by editorial.

I also agree with the comments below that Zemo the son is better than his father.




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    Otto was better than Peter as Spider-man. FAR more effective. His brief time as Spidey made Peter seem like a complete failure who squandered his intelligence and potential. It made Peter's immaturity look like a tragic flaw, which was probably a meta dig at Peter's constant de-aging by editorial.


Otto got more done, it's true, but he crossed quite a few lines that shouldn't be crossed. Mind controlling the Sinister 6, excessive violence, privacy-invading spider-bots, and I'm sure there are other things that I'm not thinking of. Don't get me wrong, I read every issue of Superior Spider-Man, and quite a few issues of his Team-Up title. It's the longest continued run of any Spider-Man title in my collection. BUT as far as being a "better" Spider-Man, I feel it's important to distinguish efficiency from moral judgement.


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    I also agree with the comments below that Zemo the son is better than his father.


Quite. Yes.


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The lack of Osborn is why I never really cared about Hobgoblin.

Aaaand Otto was better at being evil is what you're saying. Gotcha. He was definitely not a better Spider-Man. What floored me was that it took people so long to recognize his evil nature when it was so blatant.




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Well, wouldn't you know it, but when I return to the board after the holidays it turns out there's a really interesting thread...

I would say re. the general subject that one has to be wary of declaring characters "better than their originals" just because they're newer. And there's a real danger of that happening because there simply are more stories featuring the "originals" than of the new "flavours of the year", and there are so (relatively) few stories featuring the latter that you haven't yet grown tired of them. (Exceptions to this rule occur when the original character is cancelled after a short while - most Golden Age characters were lucky if they continued to be published for as much as a decade - or gets killed off soon, e. g. the X-Men's Thunderbird I). When for every story featuring Amadeus Cho, Miles Morales or Laura Kinney you have fifty, a hundred or more stories featuring Bruce Banner, Peter Parker or Logan, there's simply no way for the older versions to keep dodging Sturgeon's Law.


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      I am not familiar enough with Laura Kinney, so it is possible. I like Ben Reilly, buy not more than Pete.


I'm not sure if Ben Reilly should even count in this context. For all practical intents and purposes he IS Peter Parker just with a different biography between the original and the second Clone Saga. For a time he was even written as if he was the original Peter Parker, and the differences between Earth-616 Peter and Ben are no bigger than between 616 Peter and many of his counterparts in alternate timelines.



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      As for the better replacements...

      I think Bruce Banner is better than the original Hulk..,Xemnu. I know that is probably controversial.[

      While I think the stories were better for Mar-Vell, I like Genis more as a character. Though, I do still really like Marv.


I never found Mar-Vell all that interesting a character (I think Silver and Bronze Age Mar-Vell derived a lot of his entertainment value from his connection with Rick Jones). For his high concept - character pulled out of a hat to enable Marvel to steal and keep the "Captain Marvel" trademark - I think Monica Rambeau is superior.


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    Were it up to me, both of the Vell kids would be gone, retroactively.



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      Harry Osborn, in my book, is a better Green Goblin than Norman.



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    Him being a Goblin is what ruined him as a character, imo.


He was good in his first two outings as the Goblin (in the 1970s), but from the third time it grew old. The problem is, though, that the Silver Age setup, where he was "the rich buddy who enables Peter to share a luxury apartment with him" became increasingly ludicrous, not to mention that their interpersonal dynamics could not help being affected by the events of ASM #121-122.


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      More of a Beta Ray Bill fan that Thor (no opinion of Jane Foster, good or bad).



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    As much as I like Bill, I think he's almost devoid of personality. When written well, Thor is great.


Never really warmed to Bill.


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    Thinking too much about Jane gets me really mad. Even now as Valkyrie.



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      Scott Lang is probably better than Hank Pym.



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    I used to say this, but those last few Ant-Man series really used him horribly, imo. And imo, Pym became better than Ant-Man.


I may agree with this...


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      The son out shined the original Zemo.



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    Well, yeah. That's pretty much his point.


It has to be said that it doesn't take much to outshine Baron Zemo Sr. ...


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      Spider-Gwen is actually interesting, unlike the original from 616.



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    Don't agree. Well, unless you include that Sins Past crap. Original Gwen was completely awesomeness. It still floors me that they turned her into a musician.


Original Gwen was pretty bland, if not to say boring as a character. Some people are misled into thinking she was more interesting than she was because she started out as Betty Brant's rich-bitch rival (assuming the role left vacant after Liz Allan's departure), but once she became Peter's primary love interest, she soon settled down into generic Silver Age Girlfriendness. She even repeated some stuff we had seen before with Betty (most notably blaming Spider-Man for the death of her closest relative), and in looks and mannerisms she became a copy of Mary Jane Watson. I prefer Spider-Gwen to 616 Gwen, but heeding my own cautionary remarks (see above), I have to admit I only know her from "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse".


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      This might be a cheat, but I think the government sponsored X-Factor was better than the still excellent Louise Simonson created one, and the Madrox led Detective years were better than that.


"Original" X-Factor was merely X-Men Mk. Ib (the 1960s team was Mk. Ia), as such they were very much inferior to Mk. II, the post-GSXM #1 team. The government-sponsored team was as original as that word can be applied to a team consisting of former X-Men and New Mutants. Their later detective reincarnation ultimately disappointed my expectations, so I do not consider them better, or even equal, to the original government-sponsored team.


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    Well, agreed with that latter part. Government X-Factor may have been written well, but that doesn't mean the team was better. And I think Havok and Polaris were better not superheroing.



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    I still don't understand what people see in the original Alan Scott. I find him laughable, and Jade was better. Pretty much across the board, DC's Silver Age recreations were better, imo. Except for the cartoons, John has been an absolute nothing as a character, misused more than used well (almost to the point of it being offensive). Guy is probably second best GL. Replacing Hal is what drove me away from DC until his return.



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    The 90s... generally, can't stand much about it from either company... and Image.


Pretty much agree, allowing for a few exceptions such as the original Spider-Girl (Mayday Parker - even though I do not consider her superior to her father as a character) and Impulse.




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    Well, wouldn't you know it, but when I return to the board after the holidays it turns out there's a really interesting thread...



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    I would say re. the general subject that one has to be wary of declaring characters "better than their originals" just because they're newer. And there's a real danger of that happening because there simply are more stories featuring the "originals" than of the new "flavours of the year", and there are so (relatively) few stories featuring the latter that you haven't yet grown tired of them. (Exceptions to this rule occur when the original character is cancelled after a short while - most Golden Age characters were lucky if they continued to be published for as much as a decade - or gets killed off soon, e. g. the X-Men's Thunderbird I). When for every story featuring Amadeus Cho, Miles Morales or Laura Kinney you have fifty, a hundred or more stories featuring Bruce Banner, Peter Parker or Logan, there's simply no way for the older versions to keep dodging Sturgeon's Law.


I feel like the reverse is more common. It is for me, certainly. I usually like the established character more than the newcomer.



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    I never found Mar-Vell all that interesting a character (I think Silver and Bronze Age Mar-Vell derived a lot of his entertainment value from his connection with Rick Jones). For his high concept - character pulled out of a hat to enable Marvel to steal and keep the "Captain Marvel" trademark - I think Monica Rambeau is superior.


I like Rambeau a lot better as well, but I was exposed to her first, through the Avengers. I still haven't read a whole lot of Mar-vell.


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    Never really warmed to Bill.


I'm a fan of Bill's, but probably for the same reason people like Stingray. He looks cool.



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    I feel like the reverse is more common. It is for me, certainly. I usually like the established character more than the newcomer.



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      I never found Mar-Vell all that interesting a character (I think Silver and Bronze Age Mar-Vell derived a lot of his entertainment value from his connection with Rick Jones). For his high concept - character pulled out of a hat to enable Marvel to steal and keep the "Captain Marvel" trademark - I think Monica Rambeau is superior.



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    I like Rambeau a lot better as well, but I was exposed to her first, through the Avengers. I still haven't read a whole lot of Mar-vell.



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    I'm a fan of Bill's, but probably for the same reason people like Stingray. He looks cool.


Never underestimate the effect of a good design. I rather suspect e.g. that Spider-Gwen's success is in no small measure due to her costume, which probably is the best new Spider-suit since the advent of the black one in the 1980s....



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    Pretty much agree, allowing for a few exceptions such as the original Spider-Girl (Mayday Parker - even though I do not consider her superior to her father as a character) and Impulse.


This could probably be its own thread, but yeah, there are some exceptions to My 90s Rule. Mayday is a HUGE one. Sometimes, I tear up remembering her. Peter only transcends her because of longevity. I grind my teeth every time I see Anya using the name (and preferred her as Arana).

What was done with Songbird in the 90s was truly brilliant, as well. I haven't loved a villain redemption like that since Rogue, and I don't think there's been a good one since.

Okay. And New Warriors was good.

And. Maybe a dozen or two characters, at most.




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    I'm a fan of Bill's, but probably for the same reason people like Stingray. He looks cool.


Seriously! It was love at first sight when Simonson drew him. If it's at all possible to love a horse-faced guy. He's the only other person I ever accepted with Mjolnir.




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    Seriously! It was love at first sight when Simonson drew him. If it's at all possible to love a horse-faced guy. He's the only other person I ever accepted with Mjolnir.


The Simonsons definitely had an affinity for equines at the time, what with Bill and the Kymellians (from Power Pack). Although of course the latter were cuter, more pony-faced compared to Beta Ray Thor's horse-skull look... \:\-\)



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I am sincere. I think that Ghost Rider 2099 was one of the best cyberpunk characters appearing in a Marvel comic book. \:\-\)

https://www.cbr.com/ghost-rider-2099-marvel-reboot/
https://www.cbr.com/future-ghost-rider-trivia/
http://www.itsadansworld.net/2011/04/what-i-miss-about-90s-comics-day-2.html


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I remember enjoying it when Bachalo was drawing it but less so after that. The only books I collected out of the 2099 line were Ghost Rider and Punisher. I did like Punisher to an extent, but Gallows was a pretty hollow clone of Castle and there wasn't much to his book beyond an assortment of sci-fi gadgets for torture and killing of baddies. Kind of a less satirical, Americanized Judge Dredd.



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