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The Avenger![]() Location: New Jersey Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021 |
Subject: Should Monica Rambeau be given a new code name? Posted Mon Dec 20, 2021 at 09:58:32 am EST (Viewed 105 times) |
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I personally like Captain Marvel as her code name, but I guess that ship has sailed. I never liked Photon or Spectrum, although of the two, I like Spectrum better. I'm coming around to the opinion that because her civilian name just sounds really cool, she should simply be known by her civilian name.
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The Black Guardian![]() Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 |
Subject: Re: Should Monica Rambeau be given a new code name? [Re: The Avenger] Posted Tue Dec 21, 2021 at 07:00:10 pm EST (Viewed 86 times) |
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Never liked her using Captain Marvel. It always felt like a placeholder situation to me. Once you've had 3 codenames, it's time to give it up. I've liked both Photon and Spectrum. Especially since the general public is only just now getting to know her, I'd say don't change things. But I don't like civilian names. City of Heroes is BACK!
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Iron Man Unit 007![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 5,929 |
Subject: Re: Should Monica Rambeau be given a new code name? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Tue Dec 21, 2021 at 08:43:00 pm EST (Viewed 72 times) |
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Yeah she did feel like a place holder at times to keep the trademark safe after they wrote themselves into a corner when they killed Mar-Vell. I was fine with Genis taking over, but editorial sabotage/mandate ended that. Carol taking the name is fine. Unless her current story is finally reviving Mar-Vell but I doubt that.
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The Avenger![]() Location: New Jersey Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021 |
Subject: Re: Should Monica Rambeau be given a new code name? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Wed Dec 22, 2021 at 08:48:11 am EST (Viewed 67 times) |
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Quote: Never liked her using Captain Marvel. It always felt like a placeholder situation to me.Unfortunately, I think you were right. In Marvel's eyes, it was a placeholder. Quote: Once you've had 3 codenames, it's time to give it up. I've liked both Photon and Spectrum. Especially since the general public is only just now getting to know her, I'd say don't change things.Does Monica get a code name in the Scarlet Witch/Vision series? I can't bring myself to watch that show. I hate sitcoms. Quote: But I don't like civilian names.How about - Monica Marvel? (Just kidding.)
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The Black Guardian![]() Moderator Location: Paragon City, RI Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 |
Subject: What's in a name... [Re: The Avenger] Posted Fri Dec 24, 2021 at 02:10:57 am EST (Viewed 62 times) |
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One possible origin of the Rambeau surname is that it comes from the Germanic Hram (crow) + Berht (bright). Bright crow?! PHOENIX! But it's more likely just French ragin (brave) + bald (counsel). Rambo seems related to the Germanic, but through Scandinavian roots. City of Heroes is BACK!
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Menshevik![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 5,073 |
Subject: Re: Should Monica Rambeau be given a new code name? [Re: The Black Guardian] Posted Fri Dec 24, 2021 at 03:07:31 am EST (Viewed 62 times) |
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Quote: Never liked her using Captain Marvel. It always felt like a placeholder situation to me.Quote: Once you've had 3 codenames, it's time to give it up. I've liked both Photon and Spectrum. Especially since the general public is only just now getting to know her, I'd say don't change things.Quote: But I don't like civilian names.I largely agree. I'm not entirely happy with the situation, but the problem does seem to be that Monica Rambeau has not been shown too attached to her code-names. In-story she was given the name "Captain Marvel" by the news media in New Orleans, and she didn't give Genis-Vell too much trouble when he wanted to assume his father's name (and later rename himself Photon). I did not like Spectrum that much because it ran counter to the pattern of her established costumes, which were all black and white.
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Iron Man Unit 007![]() Moderator Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 5,929 |
Subject: Re: How about Major Marvel [Re: The Avenger] Posted Sat Dec 25, 2021 at 01:33:39 am EST (Viewed 60 times) |
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Seriously, if there can be a Captain Marvel why not Major Marvel
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Menshevik![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 5,073 |
Subject: Re: How about Major Marvel [Re: Iron Man Unit 007] Posted Sat Dec 25, 2021 at 04:53:43 am EST (Viewed 63 times) |
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Quote: Seriously, if there can be a Captain Marvel why not Major MarvelThe problem with that idea is that unlike "Captain", the word "Major" indicates a specific rank in a military-style hierarchy. "Captain" OTOH is not only ambiguous as a rank (a navy captain is the equivalent of an army colonel), it is also used formally or informally for people with a much smaller authority, e. g. the captain of a yacht or the captain of a football team. Call a superhero Major Something, and there's bound to be questions who appointed them, or whether they hold the rank of major in their non-costumed role. Monica Rambeau was a lieutenant in the New Orleans Harbor Patrol, so some might feel that she would be presumptuous to assume the rank of major (others might consider her nautical background reason to call her Commodore Marvel or Admiral Marvel ![]() It would also once again invite comparisons with Carol Danvers, who was an actual major in the USAF before she became a superheroine. Incidentally, I am a bit dubious about including the "Marvel" bit anyway. In the Marvel Universe, "Marvel" these days tends to indicate a connection to Mar-Vell and the Kree (in the case of Mar-Vell himself and his two kids, as well as Carol's aliases Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, and the current Marvel Boy, Noh-Varr) or to Carol Danvers (Kamala Khan named herself after the original Ms. Marvel and dresses herself in a variation of one of her costumes). Other "Marvel" names (Marvel Girl, Speedball the Masked Marvel) seem to have fallen into disuse.
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The Avenger![]() Location: New Jersey Member Since: Thu Dec 02, 2021 |
Subject: Re: How about Major Marvel [Re: Menshevik] Posted Sun Dec 26, 2021 at 05:48:43 pm EST (Viewed 53 times) |
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Quote: The problem with that idea is that unlike "Captain", the word "Major" indicates a specific rank in a military-style hierarchy. "Captain" OTOH is not only ambiguous as a rank (a navy captain is the equivalent of an army colonel), it is also used formally or informally for people with a much smaller authority, e. g. the captain of a yacht or the captain of a football team. Call a superhero Major Something, and there's bound to be questions who appointed them, or whether they hold the rank of major in their non-costumed role.One way "Major" avoids the pitfall of genuine military ranking is when it's paired with a noun in such a way as to imply one of its other meanings. For example, DC has a character named, "Major Disaster." Quote: Monica Rambeau was a lieutenant in the New Orleans Harbor Patrol, so some might feel that she would be presumptuous to assume the rank of major (others might consider her nautical background reason to call her Commodore Marvel or Admiral Marvel ![]() Monica's rank as a lieutenant could be paired with her surname: "Lieutenant Rambeau." Unfortunately, the WandaVision TV series establishes her rank in the USAF as captain (according to Wikipedia). "Captain Rambeau" is workable, of course, but it sounds a little strange when paired with "Captain Marvel." Quote: Incidentally, I am a bit dubious about including the "Marvel" bit anyway. In the Marvel Universe, "Marvel" these days tends to indicate a connection to Mar-Vell and the Kree (in the case of Mar-Vell himself and his two kids, as well as Carol's aliases Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, and the current Marvel Boy, Noh-Varr) or to Carol Danvers (Kamala Khan named herself after the original Ms. Marvel and dresses herself in a variation of one of her costumes). Other "Marvel" names (Marvel Girl, Speedball the Masked Marvel) seem to have fallen into disuse.Well, in the MCU, Monica is a supporting character of Carol Danvers. This is of course not the case in the comic books.
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Subject: Re: How about Major Marvel [Re: The Avenger] Posted Mon Dec 27, 2021 at 01:39:16 am EST (Viewed 47 times) |
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But you wouldn't want to call her Lieutenant Marvel because that would be confusing with the Fawcett/DC characters as well. Even if they're not used any more.
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Menshevik![]() Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 5,073 |
Subject: Re: How about Major Marvel [Re: The Avenger] Posted Mon Dec 27, 2021 at 05:48:30 am EST (Viewed 42 times) |
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Quote: Quote: The problem with that idea is that unlike "Captain", the word "Major" indicates a specific rank in a military-style hierarchy. "Captain" OTOH is not only ambiguous as a rank (a navy captain is the equivalent of an army colonel), it is also used formally or informally for people with a much smaller authority, e. g. the captain of a yacht or the captain of a football team. Call a superhero Major Something, and there's bound to be questions who appointed them, or whether they hold the rank of major in their non-costumed role.Quote: One way "Major" avoids the pitfall of genuine military ranking is when it's paired with a noun in such a way as to imply one of its other meanings. For example, DC has a character named, "Major Disaster."I'd say it does not entirely avoid that pitfall. People will still think of the military rank (I know I did with Major Disaster). A lot depends on context. For instance, in the fourth season of Blackadder, five of the six episodes had titles consisting of a military rank and another word: Captain Cook(1), Corporal Punishment(2), Major Star(3), Private Plane, and General Hospital. Normally I never think of the military rank when I read the words "General Hospital", but here I had to. (1) As in Captain James Cook (1728-1779). (The episode focused on food in the British army on the Western Front in World War 1). (2) Also the name of one of Krusty the Clown's supporting players on The Simpsons. (3) Could be a real-life name, although in English the spelling "Starr" is more common, AFAIK. Quote: Quote: Monica Rambeau was a lieutenant in the New Orleans Harbor Patrol, so some might feel that she would be presumptuous to assume the rank of major (others might consider her nautical background reason to call her Commodore Marvel or Admiral Marvel ![]() Quote: Monica's rank as a lieutenant could be paired with her surname: "Lieutenant Rambeau." Unfortunately, the WandaVision TV series establishes her rank in the USAF as captain (according to Wikipedia). "Captain Rambeau" is workable, of course, but it sounds a little strange when paired with "Captain Marvel."Well, IIRC, the Avengers did manage to operate with both a Captain America and a Captain Marvel on the team in the past. Quote: Quote: Incidentally, I am a bit dubious about including the "Marvel" bit anyway. In the Marvel Universe, "Marvel" these days tends to indicate a connection to Mar-Vell and the Kree (in the case of Mar-Vell himself and his two kids, as well as Carol's aliases Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel, and the current Marvel Boy, Noh-Varr) or to Carol Danvers (Kamala Khan named herself after the original Ms. Marvel and dresses herself in a variation of one of her costumes). Other "Marvel" names (Marvel Girl, Speedball the Masked Marvel) seem to have fallen into disuse.Quote: Well, in the MCU, Monica is a supporting character of Carol Danvers. This is of course not the case in the comic books.Exactly, and it seems many of Monica's fans want to stress her independence.
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