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http://www.newsarama.com/comics/081118-diamond-sales-october.html

Qty Rank Retail Rank Index Description Price Ven
1 1 148.81 SECRET INVASION #7 (Of 8) SI* $3.99 MAR
2 2 111.28 FINAL CRISIS #4 (Of 7) $3.99 DC
3 3 106.08 HULK #7* $2.99 MAR
4 6 100.00 BATMAN #680 RIP* $2.99 DC
5 8 95.74 NEW AVENGERS #46 SI $2.99 MAR
6 11 83.95 MIGHTY AVENGERS #19 SI $2.99 MAR
7 12 83.48 ASTONISHING X-MEN #27 MD $2.99 MAR
8 4 79.42 AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #573 NWD* $3.99 MAR
9 16 78.00 UNCANNY X-MEN #503 MD $2.99 MAR
10 5 77.67 JUSTICE LEAGUE O/AMERICA #25 $3.99 DC
11 17 75.69 THOR #11 $2.99 MAR
12 18 74.42 JUSTICE LEAGUE O/AMERICA #26 $2.99 DC
13 7 73.51 FINAL CRISIS RAGE O/RED LANTERNS #1 $3.99 DC
14 23 69.66 CAPTAIN AMERICA #43 $2.99 MAR
15 24 69.34 JUSTICE SOCIETY O/AMERICA #19* $2.99 DC
16 9 66.97 ASTONISHING X-MEN GHOST BOXES #1 (Of 2) $3.99 MAR
17 27 66.45 AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #574 $2.99 MAR
18 28 66.30 AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #575 $2.99 MAR
33 20 55.30 AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #1 $3.99 MAR
42 48 50.59 ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #127 $2.99 MAR
50 33 45.96 ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #3 $3.99 MAR
61 66 40.65 SECRET INVASION AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #3 (Of 3) SI $2.99 MAR

So to guesstimate, New Ways to Die finished with like 79,500 issues ordered. Also as far as I know, it was the only issue of the 6 not to be announced as a sell out.

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Sam





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> So to guesstimate, New Ways to Die finished with like 79,500 issues ordered. Also as far as I know, it was the only issue of the 6 not to be announced as a sell out.
>
> The Disgruntled Greek

I've never cared for numbers myself...but I really hate alternate covers, etc. (mostly for being raped thru the clone saga and the 90s)...but how do these numbers account for all the different covers of the same issue in this? Just wondering.

Sam


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> >
> > So to guesstimate, New Ways to Die finished with like 79,500 issues ordered. Also as far as I know, it was the only issue of the 6 not to be announced as a sell out.
> >
> > The Disgruntled Greek
>
> I've never cared for numbers myself...but I really hate alternate covers, etc. (mostly for being raped thru the clone saga and the 90s)...but how do these numbers account for all the different covers of the same issue in this? Just wondering.
>
> Sam

From what I have been told, the total number we are given includes the alternate covers.

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Macgargan




> >
> > >
> > > So to guesstimate, New Ways to Die finished with like 79,500 issues ordered. Also as far as I know, it was the only issue of the 6 not to be announced as a sell out.
> > >
> > > The Disgruntled Greek
> >
> > I've never cared for numbers myself...but I really hate alternate covers, etc. (mostly for being raped thru the clone saga and the 90s)...but how do these numbers account for all the different covers of the same issue in this? Just wondering.
> >
> > Sam
>
> From what I have been told, the total number we are given includes the alternate covers.
>
> The Disgruntled Greek

Potato, Po-tah-to.

You say ASM is selling poorly, all I see is it ranked 8th, 17th and 18th, with other "satellite" Spidey titles performing respectively as well.

These are rankings out of 300, I'd call those results high.

Also, you're not taking into account what's outselling ASM:

Secret Invasion and Final Crisis are no-brainers, 2 huge company crossovers.

Hulk = Hype.
Batman has been selling well since Morrison took over the writing.
New Avengers/Mighty Avengers are tied into Secret Invasion.
Astonishing X-Men has always sold well, looks like Ellis is as attractive as Whedon to fans.

So we have 7 titles that SHOULD outsell ASM. ASM still outsells, for example , Daredevil, Captain America, and Thunderbolts ( the latter also involved in Secret Invasion ).

Cap and Daredevil are both fantastic titles right now, yet ASM is outselling them?

I think the current economic situation explains generally low sales numbers for the entire line.

ASM is doing fine IMO, when compared with other titles.

Also, whilst I still believe that Spidey is Marvel's flagship CHARACTER, I don't think he's been their flagship TITLE for some time now, that honour goes to New/Mighty Avengers, and, IMO, this has been the case since Bendis took over the Avengers titles.


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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html

And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.


Month, #Issue, #Estimateissue-on-issue %month-on-month %
Jan 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #546127,958
Jan 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #547101,213-20.9%
Jan 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #54897,959-3.2%
Feb 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #549101,1123.2%-21.0%
Feb 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55090,874-10.1%-10.2%
Feb 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55188,084-3.1%-10.1%
Mar 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55289,8352.0%-11.2%
Mar 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55382,648-8.0%-9.1%
Mar 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55481,072-1.9%-8.0%
Apr 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55586,9027.2%-3.3%
Apr 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55678,458-9.7%-5.1%
Apr 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55777,057-1.8%-5.0%
May 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55876,966-0.1%-11.4%
May 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55974,206-3.6%-5.4%
May 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56074,012-0.3%-4.0%
Jun 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56172,372-2.2%-6.0%
Jun 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56271,409-1.3%-3.8%
Jun 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56370,792-0.9%-4.4%
Jul 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56468,882-2.7%-4.8%
Jul 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56569,1820.4%-3.1%
Jul 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56668,912-0.4%-2.7%
Aug 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56768,130-1.1%-1.1%
Aug 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56893,395*37.1%35.0%
Aug 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56977,950*-16.5%13.1%
Sep 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57082,479*5.81%21.06%
Sep 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57173,682*-10.67%-21.11%
Sep 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57275,164*2.01%-3.58%
Oct 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57382,550*9.8%0.1%
Oct 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57469,069-16.3%-6.3%
Oct 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57568,913-0.2%-8.3%


*Apparently, the cover breakdown went:
#568 - 4 covers
#569 - 2 covers
#570 - 3 covers
#571 - 2 covers
#572 - 2 covers
#573 - 4 covers

I'm not 100% sure whether the cover list includes reprints, but I think it doesn't.




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> http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
>
> And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
>

Thanks again for the data!

It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?

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spiderprince




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> > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> >
> > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
> >
>
> Thanks again for the data!
>
> It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?
>
> -Comp
>


After Civil War sales of Thunderbolts went up and AFAIK remain higher now than they were prior to that event.


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>
> > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> >
> > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
> >
>
> Thanks again for the data!
>
> It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?
>
> -Comp
>


I would love to see Marvel try and go a full year without any events on the Spider-Man title, just to see if the numbers do stabilize around the 70k mark. I'm starting to get tired of these events. I don't believe they are necessary to tell good stories.


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> It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?

I think the "Death of Captain America" event would be an example of what you are looking for. The series increased somewhat for Civil War, exploded with the "Death of Captain America" and Bucky Cap has maintained some of those sales for a while. Issue 42 (September) sold 22K more than issue 10.

Of course, long term is relative here too.

And continously raising sales is next to impossible in comics, simply because of it's nature. For 99% of titles, no series is going to continously have an increase in sales every month. Comics are by their nature on downward spirals, where each month it sales less and less. Which then creates shake ups of the titles (new characters, new stories, new creators, event), and the process continues again.


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Jim M




Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.

> http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
>
> And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
>
>
>
Month, #Issue, #Estimateissue-on-issue %month-on-month %
Jan 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #546127,958
Jan 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #547101,213-20.9%
Jan 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #54897,959-3.2%
Feb 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #549101,1123.2%-21.0%
Feb 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55090,874-10.1%-10.2%
Feb 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55188,084-3.1%-10.1%
Mar 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55289,8352.0%-11.2%
Mar 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55382,648-8.0%-9.1%
Mar 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55481,072-1.9%-8.0%
Apr 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55586,9027.2%-3.3%
Apr 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55678,458-9.7%-5.1%
Apr 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55777,057-1.8%-5.0%
May 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55876,966-0.1%-11.4%
May 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55974,206-3.6%-5.4%
May 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56074,012-0.3%-4.0%
Jun 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56172,372-2.2%-6.0%
Jun 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56271,409-1.3%-3.8%
Jun 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56370,792-0.9%-4.4%
Jul 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56468,882-2.7%-4.8%
Jul 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56569,1820.4%-3.1%
Jul 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56668,912-0.4%-2.7%
Aug 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56768,130-1.1%-1.1%
Aug 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56893,395*37.1%35.0%
Aug 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56977,950*-16.5%13.1%
Sep 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57082,479*5.81%21.06%
Sep 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57173,682*-10.67%-21.11%
Sep 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57275,164*2.01%-3.58%
Oct 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57382,550*9.8%0.1%
Oct 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57469,069-16.3%-6.3%
Oct 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57568,913-0.2%-8.3%

>
> *Apparently, the cover breakdown went:
> #568 - 4 covers
> #569 - 2 covers
> #570 - 3 covers
> #571 - 2 covers
> #572 - 2 covers
> #573 - 4 covers
>
> I'm not 100% sure whether the cover list includes reprints, but I think it doesn't.



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> Potato, Po-tah-to.
>
> You say ASM is selling poorly, all I see is it ranked 8th, 17th and 18th, with other "satellite" Spidey titles performing respectively as well.

I think the title is selling well.

The Disgruntled Greek


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> http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
>
> And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
>
>
>
Month, #Issue, #Estimateissue-on-issue %month-on-month %
Jan 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #546127,958
Jan 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #547101,213-20.9%
Jan 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #54897,959-3.2%
Feb 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #549101,1123.2%-21.0%
Feb 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55090,874-10.1%-10.2%
Feb 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55188,084-3.1%-10.1%
Mar 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55289,8352.0%-11.2%
Mar 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55382,648-8.0%-9.1%
Mar 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55481,072-1.9%-8.0%
Apr 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55586,9027.2%-3.3%
Apr 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55678,458-9.7%-5.1%
Apr 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55777,057-1.8%-5.0%
May 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55876,966-0.1%-11.4%
May 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55974,206-3.6%-5.4%
May 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56074,012-0.3%-4.0%
Jun 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56172,372-2.2%-6.0%
Jun 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56271,409-1.3%-3.8%
Jun 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56370,792-0.9%-4.4%
Jul 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56468,882-2.7%-4.8%
Jul 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56569,1820.4%-3.1%
Jul 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56668,912-0.4%-2.7%
Aug 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56768,130-1.1%-1.1%
Aug 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56893,395*37.1%35.0%
Aug 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56977,950*-16.5%13.1%
Sep 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57082,479*5.81%21.06%
Sep 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57173,682*-10.67%-21.11%
Sep 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57275,164*2.01%-3.58%
Oct 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57382,550*9.8%0.1%
Oct 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57469,069-16.3%-6.3%
Oct 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57568,913-0.2%-8.3%

>
> *Apparently, the cover breakdown went:
> #568 - 4 covers
> #569 - 2 covers
> #570 - 3 covers
> #571 - 2 covers
> #572 - 2 covers
> #573 - 4 covers

The Reprints for 4 of the issues were

569 was at 8482
570 was at 7037
571 was at 6496
572 was at 4646

> I'm not 100% sure whether the cover list includes reprints, but I think it doesn't.

The Disgruntled Greek


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Cbasfrench




> Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.

The way I see it, it's starting to balance off pretty well. Case in point:

Issue 564 sold 68,882 units
Issue 565 sold 69,182 units
Issue 566 sold 68,912 units
Issue 567 sold 68,130 units
Issues 568-573 were part of an event so, IMO, don't count.
Issue 574 sold 69,069 units
Issue 575 sold 68,913 units

Not taking into account New Ways to Die, the units sold seem to be levelling off just below the 70,000 units sold. At three times a month, that's approx. 210,000 units sold in a month. Not bad at all, IMO. It seems, from your post, that you wish for the title to fail so that they reverse the marriage dissolution? You know that's not gonna happen...

Based on the numbers, I'm not gonna be crazy and say that OMD/BND is a huge success but it is doing quite well considering that it's going against titles tied in to big events.




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jc378




> > Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.
>
> The way I see it, it's starting to balance off pretty well. Case in point:
>
> Issue 564 sold 68,882 units
> Issue 565 sold 69,182 units
> Issue 566 sold 68,912 units
> Issue 567 sold 68,130 units
> Issues 568-573 were part of an event so, IMO, don't count.
> Issue 574 sold 69,069 units
> Issue 575 sold 68,913 units
>
> Not taking into account New Ways to Die, the units sold seem to be levelling off just below the 70,000 units sold. At three times a month, that's approx. 210,000 units sold in a month. Not bad at all, IMO. It seems, from your post, that you wish for the title to fail so that they reverse the marriage dissolution? You know that's not gonna happen...
>
> Based on the numbers, I'm not gonna be crazy and say that OMD/BND is a huge success but it is doing quite well considering that it's going against titles tied in to big events.
>


Yeah, I think I agree with you. I'd probably wait 1-2 more months to make that pronouncement though. We were still seeing a pretty constant 3-5% drop up until NWTD, and we're back to the pre-level. If we're still around 68-70k next month, then I think that's probably the new non-event level. Which would make it a mixed back. Less individual readers of "a" Spiderman title (70k vs 100k), but probably still more overall sales vs 3 distinct titles. Still to me seems like a triumph of 3x a month over BND, but that's really not provable one way or the other.

So short version, yeah it looks like we're leveling off, although I think 1-2 more months will be telling.


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> >
> > > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> > >
> > > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
> > >
> >
> > Thanks again for the data!
> >
> > It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?
> >
> > -Comp
> >

>
> After Civil War sales of Thunderbolts went up and AFAIK remain higher now than they were prior to that event.





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> > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> >
> > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
>
> Thanks again for the data!
>
> It really does amaze me how accurately sales tend to go back right where they were after an event. Are there any recent examples, do you know (or does anyone know), of an event genuinely raising sales over the long term?

It's rare, and almost always accompanied by a relaunch in some form for that specific series rather than a general boost. Cable & Deadpool nearly did it a couple of times - sales had started slipping from a constant 25k down to 23k, but a Blood of Apocalypse tie-in knocked them back to 25k and it stayed there (at the same time, the BoA tie-in didn't take it far above its' usual range, which may have been a factor). It also got a longer-than-average boost from Civil War, which lasted a few months before the reset.




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Blargh




If you don't consider NWTD an event, then you pretty much have your wishes.

> I would love to see Marvel try and go a full year without any events on the Spider-Man title, just to see if the numbers do stabilize around the 70k mark. I'm starting to get tired of these events. I don't believe they are necessary to tell good stories.



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ScarletSpider07




> Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.

There is no continuing downward trend at all. Rather, the numbers come back down to the same place they have been leveling off at for a while now. The "event" issues happen and Marvel sees a spike in the numbers. When the "event" concludes, the numbers return to just about the same spot they were before.

It's a VERY safe bet to say that Marvel (and we as readers) have reached and seen the end of the downward trend.

You can still hold out hope all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's fair to say that Marvel is probably very pleased with sales of "Amazing".

So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.


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> > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> >
> > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
> >
> >
> >
Month, #Issue, #Estimateissue-on-issue %month-on-month %
Jan 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #546127,958
Jan 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #547101,213-20.9%
Jan 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #54897,959-3.2%
Feb 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #549101,1123.2%-21.0%
Feb 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55090,874-10.1%-10.2%
Feb 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55188,084-3.1%-10.1%
Mar 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55289,8352.0%-11.2%
Mar 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55382,648-8.0%-9.1%
Mar 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55481,072-1.9%-8.0%
Apr 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55586,9027.2%-3.3%
Apr 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55678,458-9.7%-5.1%
Apr 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55777,057-1.8%-5.0%
May 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55876,966-0.1%-11.4%
May 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55974,206-3.6%-5.4%
May 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56074,012-0.3%-4.0%
Jun 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56172,372-2.2%-6.0%
Jun 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56271,409-1.3%-3.8%
Jun 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56370,792-0.9%-4.4%
Jul 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56468,882-2.7%-4.8%
Jul 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56569,1820.4%-3.1%
Jul 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56668,912-0.4%-2.7%
Aug 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56768,130-1.1%-1.1%
Aug 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56893,395*37.1%35.0%
Aug 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56977,950*-16.5%13.1%
Sep 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57082,479*5.81%21.06%
Sep 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57173,682*-10.67%-21.11%
Sep 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57275,164*2.01%-3.58%
Oct 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57382,550*9.8%0.1%
Oct 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57469,069-16.3%-6.3%
Oct 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57568,913-0.2%-8.3%

> >
> > *Apparently, the cover breakdown went:
> > #568 - 4 covers
> > #569 - 2 covers
> > #570 - 3 covers
> > #571 - 2 covers
> > #572 - 2 covers
> > #573 - 4 covers
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure whether the cover list includes reprints, but I think it doesn't.



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> > Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.
>
> There is no continuing downward trend at all. Rather, the numbers come back down to the same place they have been leveling off at for a while now. The "event" issues happen and Marvel sees a spike in the numbers. When the "event" concludes, the numbers return to just about the same spot they were before.
>
> It's a VERY safe bet to say that Marvel (and we as readers) have reached and seen the end of the downward trend.
>
> You can still hold out hope all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's fair to say that Marvel is probably very pleased with sales of "Amazing".
>
> So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.
>

I don't think either of these analyses is quite right. No, sales aren't dropping precipitously, but nor have they already leveled off. If they'd leveled off, the sales wouldn't continue to go down, as they clearly are.

The fact that they're going down very slightly suggests the book may be in the process of leveling off. I'm eager to see whether they do, because as I've said from the start, that's when I'll start picking up the books again.

Now, is Marvel satisfied? It's impossible for us to know for sure, but I have to imagine Marvel was expecting sales to settle substantially above, and not below, 70,000. And I think the set of different writers we're seeing on the books indicates that the boycott is having some impact, if not the one most desired.

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Macgargan




> > Potato, Po-tah-to.
> >
> > You say ASM is selling poorly, all I see is it ranked 8th, 17th and 18th, with other "satellite" Spidey titles performing respectively as well.
>
> I think the title is selling well.
>
> The Disgruntled Greek

You're right, sorry, just so used to sales threads being posted by people who are happy that sales are down.
I tend to leap to the defense of ASM these days, as I currently am enjoying it.


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Jim M




Well it looks like they have everything planned out up to 600...but if sale's slide down enough...aspecially if they sink after 600...

> > Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.
>
> There is no continuing downward trend at all. Rather, the numbers come back down to the same place they have been leveling off at for a while now. The "event" issues happen and Marvel sees a spike in the numbers. When the "event" concludes, the numbers return to just about the same spot they were before.
>
> It's a VERY safe bet to say that Marvel (and we as readers) have reached and seen the end of the downward trend.
>
> You can still hold out hope all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's fair to say that Marvel is probably very pleased with sales of "Amazing".
>
> So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.
>
>
> >
> > > http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13751.html
> > >
> > > And, once all the variant covers are out of the way*, the orders end up... below 70k and falling once more. Exactly (to within one copy) where they were at the end of July. A typical "event" sales pattern.
> > >
> > >
> > >
Month, #Issue, #Estimateissue-on-issue %month-on-month %
Jan 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #546127,958
Jan 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #547101,213-20.9%
Jan 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #54897,959-3.2%
Feb 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #549101,1123.2%-21.0%
Feb 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55090,874-10.1%-10.2%
Feb 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55188,084-3.1%-10.1%
Mar 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55289,8352.0%-11.2%
Mar 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55382,648-8.0%-9.1%
Mar 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55481,072-1.9%-8.0%
Apr 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55586,9027.2%-3.3%
Apr 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55678,458-9.7%-5.1%
Apr 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #55777,057-1.8%-5.0%
May 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #55876,966-0.1%-11.4%
May 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #55974,206-3.6%-5.4%
May 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56074,012-0.3%-4.0%
Jun 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56172,372-2.2%-6.0%
Jun 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56271,409-1.3%-3.8%
Jun 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56370,792-0.9%-4.4%
Jul 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56468,882-2.7%-4.8%
Jul 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56569,1820.4%-3.1%
Jul 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56668,912-0.4%-2.7%
Aug 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #56768,130-1.1%-1.1%
Aug 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #56893,395*37.1%35.0%
Aug 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #56977,950*-16.5%13.1%
Sep 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57082,479*5.81%21.06%
Sep 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57173,682*-10.67%-21.11%
Sep 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57275,164*2.01%-3.58%
Oct 2008 #1Amazing Spider-Man #57382,550*9.8%0.1%
Oct 2008 #2Amazing Spider-Man #57469,069-16.3%-6.3%
Oct 2008 #3Amazing Spider-Man #57568,913-0.2%-8.3%

> > >
> > > *Apparently, the cover breakdown went:
> > > #568 - 4 covers
> > > #569 - 2 covers
> > > #570 - 3 covers
> > > #571 - 2 covers
> > > #572 - 2 covers
> > > #573 - 4 covers
> > >
> > > I'm not 100% sure whether the cover list includes reprints, but I think it doesn't.



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Jim M




>
> > > Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.
> >
> > There is no continuing downward trend at all. Rather, the numbers come back down to the same place they have been leveling off at for a while now. The "event" issues happen and Marvel sees a spike in the numbers. When the "event" concludes, the numbers return to just about the same spot they were before.
> >
> > It's a VERY safe bet to say that Marvel (and we as readers) have reached and seen the end of the downward trend.
> >
> > You can still hold out hope all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's fair to say that Marvel is probably very pleased with sales of "Amazing".
> >
> > So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.
> >
>
> I don't think either of these analyses is quite right. No, sales aren't dropping precipitously, but nor have they already leveled off. If they'd leveled off, the sales wouldn't continue to go down, as they clearly are.
>
> The fact that they're going down very slightly suggests the book may be in the process of leveling off. I'm eager to see whether they do, because as I've said from the start, that's when I'll start picking up the books again.
>
> Now, is Marvel satisfied? It's impossible for us to know for sure, but I have to imagine Marvel was expecting sales to settle substantially above, and not below, 70,000. And I think the set of different writers we're seeing on the books indicates that the boycott is having some impact, if not the one most desired.
>
> -Comp


I think they are counting on the big shocker in number 600 to send you the message that they won't budge, hoping those on the fense boycotting will jump back onboard... I truly think if sale's keep dropping after 600, and they see the people on the fence are not coming back they will have no choice...money talks...Joe seem's like a gambling man and he is really putting it all into this betting that you will come back.

If I were you, to be safe, even after sale's level off I'd give it a good few month's, because who knows if for 2 month's they stay the same but then start coming down again.


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LRG




I am thinking that NWTD bump is really only a few people buying multiple issues due to the special covers.....

> >
> > > > Your charts are great, thank you sir! As always this is what I've been waiting for, and now eagerly awaiting next month as well, so far doesn't seem to be leveling off, seems to be continuing it's downward trend.
> > >
> > > There is no continuing downward trend at all. Rather, the numbers come back down to the same place they have been leveling off at for a while now. The "event" issues happen and Marvel sees a spike in the numbers. When the "event" concludes, the numbers return to just about the same spot they were before.
> > >
> > > It's a VERY safe bet to say that Marvel (and we as readers) have reached and seen the end of the downward trend.
> > >
> > > You can still hold out hope all you want, but the numbers don't lie. It's fair to say that Marvel is probably very pleased with sales of "Amazing".
> > >
> > > So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think either of these analyses is quite right. No, sales aren't dropping precipitously, but nor have they already leveled off. If they'd leveled off, the sales wouldn't continue to go down, as they clearly are.
> >
> > The fact that they're going down very slightly suggests the book may be in the process of leveling off. I'm eager to see whether they do, because as I've said from the start, that's when I'll start picking up the books again.
> >
> > Now, is Marvel satisfied? It's impossible for us to know for sure, but I have to imagine Marvel was expecting sales to settle substantially above, and not below, 70,000. And I think the set of different writers we're seeing on the books indicates that the boycott is having some impact, if not the one most desired.
> >
> > -Comp

>
> I think they are counting on the big shocker in number 600 to send you the message that they won't budge, hoping those on the fense boycotting will jump back onboard... I truly think if sale's keep dropping after 600, and they see the people on the fence are not coming back they will have no choice...money talks...Joe seem's like a gambling man and he is really putting it all into this betting that you will come back.
>
> If I were you, to be safe, even after sale's level off I'd give it a good few month's, because who knows if for 2 month's they stay the same but then start coming down again.



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mjyoung




> > So there will be no reversal of the current status quo. Well, at least not as a result of declining sales, anyway.

That's a ridiculous thing to say since no one can predict the future. You could say that there will be no reversal for the short term, but not long term. There is a good chance that in the future they go back to the pre OMD status quo.

> I don't think either of these analyses is quite right. No, sales aren't dropping precipitously, but nor have they already leveled off. If they'd leveled off, the sales wouldn't continue to go down, as they clearly are.
>
> The fact that they're going down very slightly suggests the book may be in the process of leveling off. I'm eager to see whether they do, because as I've said from the start, that's when I'll start picking up the books again.

I think by the very nature of this title the book's sales won't level off.

For those that don't know, leveling off is when a book sees basically the same sales every month, with little change. Garth Ennis's Punisher MAX series was the perfect example of this.

But with Amazing now, each issue could see a theoretical jump or dive. Most series have the same character, same creators, same story, and same basic amount of marketing. But Marvel can change that every issue with Amazing if they wanted to.

Marvel can hype any issue or story they want, put popular creators on, etc. They can't really do this with every title.

So I don't think under any circumstance the book will level off. But instead, you might see a 5K jump if JRJR is on art, and a 5K dive if it's Phil Jiminez.

> Now, is Marvel satisfied? It's impossible for us to know for sure, but I have to imagine Marvel was expecting sales to settle substantially above, and not below, 70,000. And I think the set of different writers we're seeing on the books indicates that the boycott is having some impact, if not the one most desired.

I think Marvel has to be dissapointed in the series with sales. It seems like they thought new readers were going to show up, and that's not the case, and they gambled on that thought since they knew that old fans would leave. So it old fans are gone, and new fans aren't coming, it was the worse cases scenario for Marvel there.

I think what happens next is that Marvel chances the series to biweekely, with the thought that less issues a month mean more people will buy it. I don't see that move having too much success.


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