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http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18553.html

Here are ICv2’s estimates of the sales by Diamond Comic Distributors to comic stores on the top 25 comic titles in September:



104,414 Wolverine #1

88,446 Brightest Day #9

87,241 Brightest Day #10

85,179 Green Lantern #57

82,894 Batman and Robin #14

82,411 Avengers #5

77,479 New Avengers #4

77,033 Batman #703

69,546 Secret Avengers #5

68,345 Amazing Spider-Man #641

66,549 X-Men #3

63,577 Green Lantern Corps #52

62,415 Uncanny X-Men #528

62,063 Flash #5

61,855 Amazing Spider-Man #643

60,115 Amazing Spider-Man #642

58,310 Amazing Spider-Man #644

57,616 Justice League of America #49

56,289 Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors #2

53,505 Thor #614

52,896 Thor #615

50,984 X-Men: Legacy #240

48,819 Daken: Dark Wolverine #1

48,481 X-23 #1

48,173 Avengers Prime #3




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mjyoung





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    Here are ICv2’s estimates of the sales by Diamond Comic Distributors to comic stores on the top 25 comic titles in September:


I think the biggest thing to notice is that ASM is getting outsold by regular issue titles like a secondary Green Lantern title (GLC) and the Flash. While it's clear that ASM is the third franchise at Marvel right now (outside of the Avengers and X-Men), he still shouldn't be getting outsold by something like GLC.

ICV2 had a recent article about how comic sales are down for Q3, and they stated that one of the reasons was because the big titles are no longer selling as well as they were.


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Rocket Scientist/Brain Surgeon




"...he still shouldn't be getting outsold by something like GLC."

He's not. There's clearly an issue of ASM that outsold GLC.

If the other 3 issues were called Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Web of Spider-Man, would you still be making the argument that a book that was heavily tied to Blackest Night/Brightest Day was outselling the sister books of Amazing Spider-Man?



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mjyoung





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    "...he still shouldn't be getting outsold by something like GLC."



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    He's not. There's clearly an issue of ASM that outsold GLC.


I wasn't considering the last issue of OMIT to be a regular issue, which it clearly wasn't. Just like I wouldn't consider a Blackest Night crossover issue of Green Lantern to be a regular issue.


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    If the other 3 issues were called Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Web of Spider-Man, would you still be making the argument that a book that was heavily tied to Blackest Night/Brightest Day was outselling the sister books of Amazing Spider-Man?


Regular issues of Green Lantern Corps seem to be outselling regular issues of ASM. Let's assume that each sold issues goes to one unique customer, which means that more people are interested in reading GLC than ASM.

The idea that ASM is selling three issues a month only means that Marvel is selling more ASM issues per month than DC is selling GLC. That's going to be pretty meaningless to the fans as none of us own stock in Marvel. But the per issue sales tell the fans how many people like a given series. I'm more interested in how many readers there are of a given title as compared to the total profit for a particular company. It seems that more people are interested in reading about a secondary/spinoff Green Lantern title than they are of reading the solo adventures of Marvel's top character. I think there is a problem with that.

But for your comparison, should we compare the other two Green Lantern titles to compare with the three ASM issues per month? I think the GL titles would come up on top there too.


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Rocket Scientist/Brain Surgeon





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    I wasn't considering the last issue of OMIT to be a regular issue, which it clearly wasn't.

Why not? Wasn't it an issue of Amazing Spider-Man? OMIT wasn't tied into a line-wide crossover event like Blackest Night. Blackest Night was DC's heavily promoted, must-read series for the DCU. OMIT was heavily promoted as the next arc of Amazing Spider-Man issues. Isn't that a different set of parameters?


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    Just like I wouldn't consider a Blackest Night crossover issue of Green Lantern to be a regular issue.

I agree that both issues are not normal issues of the run. But one was promoted as part of a line-wide crossover, the other wasn't.


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      If the other 3 issues were called Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, and Web of Spider-Man, would you still be making the argument that a book that was heavily tied to Blackest Night/Brightest Day was outselling the sister books of Amazing Spider-Man?



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    Regular issues of Green Lantern Corps seem to be outselling regular issues of ASM. Let's assume that each sold issues goes to one unique customer, which means that more people are interested in reading GLC than ASM.

That's a big assumption. The fact is GLC was a key part of Blackest Knight/Brightest Day. That was promoted as a line-wide event to everyone who reads DC comics. The OMIT story wasn't tied into something aimed at people following all the Marvel comics, it was aimed at people who read Spider-Man comics.




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OZ




Yep.
The Green Lanter titles have been the driving force of everything at DC for a couple years now.
For that Matter the new Flash title is promoted as leading to "Flashpoint" the NEXT big thing at DC.
The fact is that the GL books are hot right now and Spidey is right up there with them.


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mjyoung





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    Why not? Wasn't it an issue of Amazing Spider-Man? OMIT wasn't tied into a line-wide crossover event like Blackest Night. Blackest Night was DC's heavily promoted, must-read series for the DCU. OMIT was heavily promoted as the next arc of Amazing Spider-Man issues. Isn't that a different set of parameters?


The issue in question for GLC wasn't a Blackest Night tie in, it was several issuse removed from the event and the last issue of the first storyline after it (Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns). It was also by the regular creative team. The issue of ASM wasn't even by the regular creative team. OMIT was heavily promoted as the sequel to OMD meant to tell us all the secrets of the big storyline. I didn't even see DC advertise Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns.


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    The Green Lanter titles have been the driving force of everything at DC for a couple years now.
    For that Matter the new Flash title is promoted as leading to "Flashpoint" the NEXT big thing at DC.
    The fact is that the GL books are hot right now and Spidey is right up there with them.


I don't think the GL titles have been the driving force of everything DC for the last few years, they were just the start of one specific event that was not originally intended to be a line wide event by its creators. The Green Lantern title isn't the New Avengers at DC.

The GL books aren't just hot right now, but have been so for the last several years. And with the upcoming movie and television show I would guess that it's going to be that way for a few more years. DC seems to be doing a much better job of showcasing the Batman and Green Lantern titles then I think Marvel is of doing with Spider-Man and Wolverine.






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Edward Whelan




Since 641 and 642 came out the same day it is interesting that 642 sold 8,000 less copies than 641. One reason is variants. Is another the fact that people wanted to finish omit, then decide not to start the new storyline?


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Stu The Disgruntled Greek

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So the jump to a 3.99 price is the reason that one issue of Amazing Spider-Man was out ordered over the other 3 Amazing Spider-Man issues that only had a 2.99 price tag?

they should've priced the other 3 issues at 3.99 to have them be ordered higher?

This is all I can infer from your statement. All comics should be at a 3.99 price point and they will have higher orders... am I correct?

The Disgruntled Greek


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Edward Whelan




more expensive = better quality. \:\-\)


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Otomo




I'm saying that in general overall sales are down because there's a market cap on the amount of people who go into specialty comic shops to begin with. Those people have a certain amount of expendable income for comics, overall the market suffers. One book up or down a few thousand is just an outlier and doesn't really apply to the economic principals about that.


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Kaine




well, at least for me the art in recent issues of ASM is a big letdown... my 6 year old cousin draws a better spider-man than Paul Azaceta (Origin of the species). combine that with a price of $3,99 and you see, why sales dropped, i guess.


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Edward Whelan





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    well, at least for me the art in recent issues of ASM is a big letdown... my 6 year old cousin draws a better spider-man than Paul Azaceta (Origin of the species). combine that with a price of $3,99 and you see, why sales dropped, i guess.



The board would like to see examples of your cousin's work.



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Stu The Disgruntled Greek

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Only one issue of Amazing Spider-Man was 3.99 in September.

The Disgruntled Greek


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I second that.




Go buy my cheap eBay stuff! *I'm selling off most of my comic collection!* http://shop.ebay.com/nedleedsjr/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=100&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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scottsnewpostingname




I, on the other hand, would NOT like to see any more badly drawn images of Spider-man. I have been going through enough "eye-soap" as it is...:-)


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OZ





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    The issue in question for GLC wasn't a Blackest Night tie in, it was several issuse removed from the event and the last issue of the first storyline after it (Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns). It was also by the regular creative team. The issue of ASM wasn't even by the regular creative team. OMIT was heavily promoted as the sequel to OMD meant to tell us all the secrets of the big storyline. I didn't even see DC advertise Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns.


It's still tying into a big overarching story that has been driving both current Green Lantern AND Green Lantern Core titles since the beginning.
The guardians put the Alpha Lanterns in place to try to prevent blackest night. Blackest Night led to Brightest day and everything that is still going on it both titles.


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      The Green Lanter titles have been the driving force of everything at DC for a couple years now.
      For that Matter the new Flash title is promoted as leading to "Flashpoint" the NEXT big thing at DC.
      The fact is that the GL books are hot right now and Spidey is right up there with them.



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    I don't think the GL titles have been the driving force of everything DC for the last few years, they were just the start of one specific event that was not originally intended to be a line wide event by its creators. The Green Lantern title isn't the New Avengers at DC.


Brightest Day, Blackest Night and Sinestro corp war are at least three major events stretching back over the last few years and showing no sign of stopping. You admit that yourself in the next paragraph.
Blackest Night was promoted as being a huge DC wide event as far back as 2006. They told everyone several times to keep up with what was going on with that book, just like they are doing now with the current Flash title.

I wouldn't compare it to Bendis Avengers either...
It's much, much, MUCH better.


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    The GL books aren't just hot right now, but have been so for the last several years. And with the upcoming movie and television show I would guess that it's going to be that way for a few more years. DC seems to be doing a much better job of showcasing the Batman and Green Lantern titles then I think Marvel is of doing with Spider-Man and Wolverine.





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mjyoung





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    It's still tying into a big overarching story that has been driving both current Green Lantern AND Green Lantern Core titles since the beginning.
    The guardians put the Alpha Lanterns in place to try to prevent blackest night. Blackest Night led to Brightest day and everything that is still going on it both titles.


Then by that logic ASM is still tieing into OMD/BND since those stories are driving the current ASM issues. Or you have to logically state when GLC stops tieing into Blackest Night. For simplicities sake, let's go by actually story titles: Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns Part 5 vs One Moment in Time. Which story was more hyped?

And to be clear I'm not reading either series.


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    Brightest Day, Blackest Night and Sinestro corp war are at least three major events stretching back over the last few years and showing no sign of stopping. You admit that yourself in the next paragraph.
    Blackest Night was promoted as being a huge DC wide event as far back as 2006. They told everyone several times to keep up with what was going on with that book, just like they are doing now with the current Flash title.


My point was that Blackest Night didn't drive the entire Superhero line at DC. The parallel at Marvel isn't Civil War or Secret Invasion but something like World War Hulk. Brightest Day would be similar to the Heroic Age at Marvel. Sinestro Corps would be a much smaller event like Messiah Complex.

Originally Blakest Night was only going to be similar in scale to Sinestro Corp War, it wasn't planned to be as big as it was in scale so you can't say it was planned that way since 2006.

Going back the last two years, it's obvious that on an issue by issue basis Green Lantern is outselling Amazing Spider-Man, and I think Green Lantern Corps would be too. Which is a shame and shows how ASM has dropped in popularity. Whether that drop comes from the stories, creators, status quo, or any other fact I'm sure is up to debate.

And the fact that ASM is scheduled to come out 3 times a month has no bearing on the discussion, since this discussion is about popularity (as a result of per issue sales) and not total monthly sales.


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OZ





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      It's still tying into a big overarching story that has been driving both current Green Lantern AND Green Lantern Core titles since the beginning.
      The guardians put the Alpha Lanterns in place to try to prevent blackest night. Blackest Night led to Brightest day and everything that is still going on it both titles.



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    Then by that logic ASM is still tieing into OMD/BND since those stories are driving the current ASM issues.


Well, They are promoting that issue 647 is the ending to the BND Era.


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    Or you have to logically state when GLC stops tieing into Blackest Night. For simplicities sake, let's go by actually story titles: Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns Part 5 vs One Moment in Time. Which story was more hyped?


I didn't say it was still tied into blackest night. It is still tied into Brightest day with roots that stretch back to Blackest night and before.
Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns is a continuation of what's been before just as One Moment in Time is a continuation of One More Day.


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    And to be clear I'm not reading either series.





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      Brightest Day, Blackest Night and Sinestro corp war are at least three major events stretching back over the last few years and showing no sign of stopping. You admit that yourself in the next paragraph.
      Blackest Night was promoted as being a huge DC wide event as far back as 2006. They told everyone several times to keep up with what was going on with that book, just like they are doing now with the current Flash title.



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    My point was that Blackest Night didn't drive the entire Superhero line at DC.


Between my brother and I, we buy enought DC titles that I know that simply isn't true.
DC was as full of Black Lanterns as Marvel was full of Skrulls during the Secret Invasion.
Brightest Day is driving it now. Justice League Cry for Justice is certainly still effecting a lot of titles right now.
Green Arrow and the Titans Titles are all still reeling from what happened to Red Arrow. That Team was put together in part by Hal Jordan and tore the regular Justice League team and title apart.
How many titles must a book effect to steer an entire universe?


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    The parallel at Marvel isn't Civil War or Secret Invasion but something like World War Hulk. Brightest Day would be similar to the Heroic Age at Marvel. Sinestro Corps would be a much smaller event like Messiah Complex.


World War Hulk was easily as big an event as Civil War and Secret Invasion. Even though it did spin out of one title, in the end it envolved the entire Marvel Universe. Brightest Day did the same thing. So Did Sinestro Corp War.
A universe wide event is a universe wide event no matter how they try to package it for sale.
As far as the Heroic Age and Brightest Day masthead there is no comparison. The Heroic age is named for a general vague sense that the heroes are in charge again and things are on the upswing. Brightest Day is a very involved story stretched through many titles with an actual plot.
The White lantern, The 12 resurections, their 12 missions given out by the white energy, the naming of a new bearer of the white Lantern energy. This story is spread all over DC and a hundred characters. Are you going to deny that is driving the entire DC universe?



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    Originally Blakest Night was only going to be similar in scale to Sinestro Corp War, it wasn't planned to be as big as it was in scale so you can't say it was planned that way since 2006.


All the hype I read in the DC nation pages and at the convention recaps on Newsarama and Comic Book resources said otherwise...while i was actualy reading a lot of the books at DC to see it.


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    Going back the last two years, it's obvious that on an issue by issue basis Green Lantern is outselling Amazing Spider-Man, and I think Green Lantern Corps would be too. Which is a shame and shows how ASM has dropped in popularity. Whether that drop comes from the stories, creators, status quo, or any other fact I'm sure is up to debate.


Well you have to make up your mind which way your doing to have it before I can take this argument any further.
You state that the GL books are hot and show no sign of stopping and then say it's a shame to be outsold by the GL titles.
Which is it?


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    And the fact that ASM is scheduled to come out 3 times a month has no bearing on the discussion, since this discussion is about popularity (as a result of per issue sales) and not total monthly sales.





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Edward Whelan





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        It's still tying into a big overarching story that has been driving both current Green Lantern AND Green Lantern Core titles since the beginning.
        The guardians put the Alpha Lanterns in place to try to prevent blackest night. Blackest Night led to Brightest day and everything that is still going on it both titles.

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        Then by that logic ASM is still tieing into OMD/BND since those stories are driving the current ASM issues.



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    Well, They are promoting that issue 647 is the ending to the BND Era.


Where did you get this from. Please explain. I am curious. I thought OMIT was the end of the BND era (and everything thereafter was the new status quo).


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      Or you have to logically state when GLC stops tieing into Blackest Night. For simplicities sake, let's go by actually story titles: Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns Part 5 vs One Moment in Time. Which story was more hyped?



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    I didn't say it was still tied into blackest night. It is still tied into Brightest day with roots that stretch back to Blackest night and before.
    Revolt of the Alpha Lanterns is a continuation of what's been before just as One Moment in Time is a continuation of One More Day.



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      And to be clear I'm not reading either series.

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          Brightest Day, Blackest Night and Sinestro corp war are at least three major events stretching back over the last few years and showing no sign of stopping. You admit that yourself in the next paragraph.
          Blackest Night was promoted as being a huge DC wide event as far back as 2006. They told everyone several times to keep up with what was going on with that book, just like they are doing now with the current Flash title.

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          My point was that Blackest Night didn't drive the entire Superhero line at DC.



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    Between my brother and I, we buy enought DC titles that I know that simply isn't true.
    DC was as full of Black Lanterns as Marvel was full of Skrulls during the Secret Invasion.
    Brightest Day is driving it now. Justice League Cry for Justice is certainly still effecting a lot of titles right now.
    Green Arrow and the Titans Titles are all still reeling from what happened to Red Arrow. That Team was put together in part by Hal Jordan and tore the regular Justice League team and title apart.
    How many titles must a book effect to steer an entire universe?



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      The parallel at Marvel isn't Civil War or Secret Invasion but something like World War Hulk. Brightest Day would be similar to the Heroic Age at Marvel. Sinestro Corps would be a much smaller event like Messiah Complex.



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    World War Hulk was easily as big an event as Civil War and Secret Invasion. Even though it did spin out of one title, in the end it envolved the entire Marvel Universe. Brightest Day did the same thing. So Did Sinestro Corp War.
    A universe wide event is a universe wide event no matter how they try to package it for sale.
    As far as the Heroic Age and Brightest Day masthead there is no comparison. The Heroic age is named for a general vague sense that the heroes are in charge again and things are on the upswing. Brightest Day is a very involved story stretched through many titles with an actual plot.
    The White lantern, The 12 resurections, their 12 missions given out by the white energy, the naming of a new bearer of the white Lantern energy. This story is spread all over DC and a hundred characters. Are you going to deny that is driving the entire DC universe?



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      Originally Blakest Night was only going to be similar in scale to Sinestro Corp War, it wasn't planned to be as big as it was in scale so you can't say it was planned that way since 2006.



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    All the hype I read in the DC nation pages and at the convention recaps on Newsarama and Comic Book resources said otherwise...while i was actualy reading a lot of the books at DC to see it.



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      Going back the last two years, it's obvious that on an issue by issue basis Green Lantern is outselling Amazing Spider-Man, and I think Green Lantern Corps would be too. Which is a shame and shows how ASM has dropped in popularity. Whether that drop comes from the stories, creators, status quo, or any other fact I'm sure is up to debate.



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    Well you have to make up your mind which way your doing to have it before I can take this argument any further.
    You state that the GL books are hot and show no sign of stopping and then say it's a shame to be outsold by the GL titles.
    Which is it?



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      And the fact that ASM is scheduled to come out 3 times a month has no bearing on the discussion, since this discussion is about popularity (as a result of per issue sales) and not total monthly sales.



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mjyoung




Things we should be able to agree on.
- Green Lantern is one of DC's premier heroes/franchises.
- Green Lantern Corps is the secondary title to Green Lantern.
- Spider-Man is one of Marvel's premier heroes/franchises.
- Amazing Spider-Man is the primary title for the character.
- Green Lantern Corps has been regularly outselling Amazing Spider-Man for the last year.

Now we can argue about the reasoning for GLC selling more than ASM. But it doesn't change the end result that it does. And to repeat my earlier position, I think it's a shame that the GLC is a more popular title than ASM.

07/2009: Green Lantern Corps #38 -- 82,415 (+29.6%)
08/2009: Green Lantern Corps #39 -- 84,241 (+ 2.2%)
09/2009: Green Lantern Corps #40 -- 83,112 (- 1.3%)
10/2009: Green Lantern Corps #41 -- 81,377 (- 2.1%)
11/2009: Green Lantern Corps #42 -- 80,391 (- 1.2%)
12/2009: Green Lantern Corps #43 -- 77,774 (- 3.3%)
01/2010: Green Lantern Corps #44 -- 76,458 (- 1.7%)
02/2010: Green Lantern Corps #45 -- 75,404 (- 1.4%)
03/2010: Green Lantern Corps #46 -- 76,720 (+ 1.8%)
04/2010: Green Lantern Corps #47 -- 72,163 (- 5.9%)
05/2010: Green Lantern Corps #48 -- 68,826 (- 4.6%)
06/2010: Green Lantern Corps #49 -- 66,652 (- 3.2%)
07/2010: Green Lantern Corps #50 -- 67,035 (+ 0.6%)


07/09 Amazing Spider-Man #599 - 72,412 (+17.6%)
07/09 Amazing Spider-Man #600 - 116,857 (+61.4%)
08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #601 - 74,279 (-36.4%)
08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #602 - 71,532 ( -3.7%)
08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #603 - 71,051 ( -0.7%)
09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #604 - 63,435 (-10.7%)
09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #605 - 62,831 ( -1.0%)
09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #606 - 70,177 (+11.7%)
09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #607 - 62,570 (-10.8%)
10/09 Amazing Spider-Man #608 - 72,035 (+15.1%)
10/09 Amazing Spider-Man #609 - 61,176 (-15.1%)
11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #610 - 61,170 ( -0.0%)
11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #611 - 64,514 ( +5.5%)
11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #612 - 68,459 ( +6.1%)
11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #613 - 64,499 ( -5.8%)
12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #614 - 59,696 ( -7.4%)
12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #615 - 63,738 ( +6.8%)
12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #616 - 58,856 ( -7.7%)
01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #617 - 76,730 (+30.4%)
01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #618 - 61,969 (-19.2%)
01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #619 - 56,837 ( -8.3%)
02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #620 - 59,860 ( +5.3%)
02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #621 - 55,350 ( -7.5%)
02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #622 - 53,929 ( -2.6%)
03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #623 - 66,064 (+22.5%)
03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #624 - 60,213 ( -8.9%)
03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #625 - 54,179 (-10.0%)
03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #626 - 53,868 ( -0.6%)
03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #627 - 54,206 ( +0.6%)
04/10 Amazing Spider-Man #628 - 57,797 ( +6.6%)
04/10 Amazing Spider-Man #629 - 53,560 ( -7.3%)
05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #630 - 57,969 ( +8.2%)
05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #631 - 57,239 ( -1.3%)
05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #632 - 56,723 ( -0.9%)
06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #633 - 57,670 ( +1.7%)
06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #634 - 61,736 ( +7.1%)
06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #635 - 56,146 ( -9.1%)
07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #636 - 56,011 ( -0.2%)
07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #637 - 56,031 ( +0.0%)
07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #638 - 68,271 (+21.8%)



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OZ




We should also both be able to agree that both Spider-man and Green Lantern have three titles in the top twenty apiece.

My point was that those are not numbers to dismiss or sneeze at.
Since you admit yourself the Green Lantern Titles are hot titles it should be considered good to be keeping pace with them. Especially with the fanbase as divided as it is.


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OZ





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    Where did you get this from. Please explain. I am curious. I thought OMIT was the end of the BND era (and everything thereafter was the new status quo).


Here's the solicit to issue 647:

Amazing Spider-Man #647






COVER BY: MARKO DJURDJEVIC
WRITER: BOB GALE
MARC GUGGENHEIM
JOSEPH KELLY
STAN LEE DBA SL PRODUCTIONS
MARK WAID
PENCILS: Adam Archer
Max Fiumara
Karl Kesel
INKS: MARCOS MARTIN
COLORED BY: MUNTSA VICENTE
LETTERED BY: NEUROTIC CARTOONIST, INC

THE STORY:
This is it! After 101 issues, the writing team of Spidey Web-Heads says good-bye as the historic era known as BRAND NEW DAY comes to an end in a triple-sized SPECTACULAR! Over the past three years, he's faced New Ways to Die, a Gauntlet, and a Grim Hunt, and, through it all, Spider-Man has stood stronger than ever. But while recent events may have drastically changed Peter and his friends, the ol' Parker luck threatens a turn for the even-worse at any second. One thing�s for certain though, the sun is setting on the Wall-Crawler's Brand New Day, and tomorrow begins right here! Rated A �$4.99

PRICE: 4.99
IN STORES: November 3, 2010


The latest issue reconfirmed this in the letters page.
Issue 648 is to be the beginning of the "Big Time" era.


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    07/09 Amazing Spider-Man #599 - 72,412 (+17.6%)
    07/09 Amazing Spider-Man #600 - 116,857 (+61.4%)
    08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #601 - 74,279 (-36.4%)
    08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #602 - 71,532 ( -3.7%)
    08/09 Amazing Spider-Man #603 - 71,051 ( -0.7%)
    09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #604 - 63,435 (-10.7%)
    09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #605 - 62,831 ( -1.0%)
    09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #606 - 70,177 (+11.7%)
    09/09 Amazing Spider-Man #607 - 62,570 (-10.8%)
    10/09 Amazing Spider-Man #608 - 72,035 (+15.1%)
    10/09 Amazing Spider-Man #609 - 61,176 (-15.1%)
    11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #610 - 61,170 ( -0.0%)
    11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #611 - 64,514 ( +5.5%)
    11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #612 - 68,459 ( +6.1%)
    11/09 Amazing Spider-Man #613 - 64,499 ( -5.8%)
    12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #614 - 59,696 ( -7.4%)
    12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #615 - 63,738 ( +6.8%)
    12/09 Amazing Spider-Man #616 - 58,856 ( -7.7%)
    01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #617 - 76,730 (+30.4%)
    01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #618 - 61,969 (-19.2%)
    01/10 Amazing Spider-Man #619 - 56,837 ( -8.3%)
    02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #620 - 59,860 ( +5.3%)
    02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #621 - 55,350 ( -7.5%)
    02/10 Amazing Spider-Man #622 - 53,929 ( -2.6%)
    03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #623 - 66,064 (+22.5%)
    03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #624 - 60,213 ( -8.9%)
    03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #625 - 54,179 (-10.0%)
    03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #626 - 53,868 ( -0.6%)
    03/10 Amazing Spider-Man #627 - 54,206 ( +0.6%)
    04/10 Amazing Spider-Man #628 - 57,797 ( +6.6%)
    04/10 Amazing Spider-Man #629 - 53,560 ( -7.3%)
    05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #630 - 57,969 ( +8.2%)
    05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #631 - 57,239 ( -1.3%)
    05/10 Amazing Spider-Man #632 - 56,723 ( -0.9%)
    06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #633 - 57,670 ( +1.7%)
    06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #634 - 61,736 ( +7.1%)
    06/10 Amazing Spider-Man #635 - 56,146 ( -9.1%)
    07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #636 - 56,011 ( -0.2%)
    07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #637 - 56,031 ( +0.0%)
    07/10 Amazing Spider-Man #638 - 68,271 (+21.8%)


You know it's not my natural inclination to defend the low sales of Amazing Spider-Man, but the title does seem finally to have stabilized. Maybe it's because recent stories have been particularly well-hyped, maybe not, but it looks as if the book has settled between a general readership between 56,000 and 58,000.

Now, that may not be a good readership--in fact, I'd say it's downright poor for ASM--but I'm not seeing the continuous drop we've seen since the beginning of Brand New Day.

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>but it looks as if the book has settled between a general readership between 56,000 and 58,000.

It'd be interesting to see what the sales will be if they ever put out issues without variant covers. And as we get into two-times-a-month Dan Slott, I'm thinking the potential exists for an even greater drop.



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      Where did you get this from. Please explain. I am curious. I thought OMIT was the end of the BND era (and everything thereafter was the new status quo).



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    COVER BY: MARKO DJURDJEVIC
    WRITER: BOB GALE
    MARC GUGGENHEIM
    JOSEPH KELLY
    STAN LEE DBA SL PRODUCTIONS
    MARK WAID
    PENCILS: Adam Archer
    Max Fiumara
    Karl Kesel
    INKS: MARCOS MARTIN
    COLORED BY: MUNTSA VICENTE
    LETTERED BY: NEUROTIC CARTOONIST, INC



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    THE STORY:
    This is it! After 101 issues, the writing team of Spidey Web-Heads says good-bye as the historic era known as BRAND NEW DAY comes to an end in a triple-sized SPECTACULAR! Over the past three years, he's faced New Ways to Die, a Gauntlet, and a Grim Hunt, and, through it all, Spider-Man has stood stronger than ever. But while recent events may have drastically changed Peter and his friends, the ol' Parker luck threatens a turn for the even-worse at any second. One thing�s for certain though, the sun is setting on the Wall-Crawler's Brand New Day, and tomorrow begins right here! Rated A �$4.99



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    PRICE: 4.99
    IN STORES: November 3, 2010



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    The latest issue reconfirmed this in the letters page.
    Issue 648 is to be the beginning of the "Big Time" era.


Thanks. Although that really does not make sense to me. BND = new status quo for me, so I don't know what they mean aside from calling it something different just to end an era that many disliked (although really not changing anything).





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    It'd be interesting to see what the sales will be if they ever put out issues without variant covers. And as we get into two-times-a-month Dan Slott, I'm thinking the potential exists for an even greater drop.


Good point. In fact, with one fewer book a month, wouldn't even equal sales equate to a substantial drop?

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    Good point. In fact, with one fewer book a month, wouldn't even equal sales equate to a substantial drop?


The most important thing to consider is that it depends on what Marvel considers a success. As fans we really only have access to initial direct orders for issues, we cant see the creative costs, actual orders, collection sales, digital sales, etc.

It seems one of Marvel's biggest criticism of the BND stories is the poor art on the titles. Many issues are being done by relatively no-name creators like Paul Azaceta, who's art isn't really the "mainstream" style that Spider-Man fans are used to. I'm sure a big part of that decision is artist cost and time constraints with the 3 times a month schedule. The second part of this is going to be addressed with the two times a month schedule. So now it's going to be more likely to get bigger artists on the title since they will have more time.

Slott's never been known for being a commercially successful writer. His run on She-Hulk was always near cancellation, and his run on Mighty Avengers was much lower than Bendis's (Bendis at 70K, Slott at 50K). I thinks it's hard to expect that Slott will increase sales on any title he works on. And to be clear I like most of his stuff.

I think two things are ultimately going to happen now:

- No huge increase in per issue sales. The fans that are gone are not coming back, and there would be no real draw to get new readers. Potentially sales could start to rise if the stories get good word of mouth. A $3.99 price point (so $8 a month) is also going to scare away readers.
- A secondary ongoing series. It's going to happen, with probably a known creative team.
- A crapload of miniseries. We've already seen it start with things like Osborn and Carnage. I'm sure some of the writers involved with the series like FVL, Kelly, Wells, and Waid still have stories they want to tell. And if a big name creator like Loeb says he wants to write a Spider-Man story they aren't going to put that in the ASM series.


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