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How so?

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Richard L




It is crap compared to the comicbook. But no Spidey cartoon has got it right just yet. All have good things in them... but.


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Okay--but again, how so? It doesn't really help a conversation just to call something crap.

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PPTSS




I would agree to a point. Whether in cartoons, movies, or even the live action show from the 1970s, not one iteration of these formats has really presented Peter/Spidey true to what Stan and Steve created. There have been some very good versions (the first two Raimi movies, the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, and arguably the first cartoon) and some poor (Spider-Man Unlimited, the last two movies). I don't care for the current Ultimate Spider-Man show and I've never liked when cartoon versions show the eye pieces in the mask moving/contorting to show expression. It's all subjective to be sure. I have always desired to have Spidey presented in other media accurately with a Romita (Sr) inspired costume along with the "Parker luck" and writing that would have Spidey dishing out his sarcasm/humor mixed with his thoughts in a less forced manner.


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Richard L




good point.

Peters characterisation was pretty good in the nineties cartoon. it has has been poorly done three times since. i know that series had flaws but it felt like watching a comic as did the old xmen show. the more they try to make it hip the more it misses the mark. i also hate the asides and team concept in web warriors.
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Blargh




The problems with USM are a lot and the positives of it are few and far between.

The positives is whoever is actually making the episodes is really digging in deep to the Marvel cast of not just Spidey characters, but Marvel period. Some serious C and D list and other obscure characters have appeared.

My praise pretty much ends there. I don't think Peter is a good portrayal, Aunt May is almost an afterthought, there isn't much high school or social life drama or even drama with school. The comedy is poor. And I don't enjoy any of the characterizations at all. It is very much a show so that they can make toys based off of characters who appear in the show.

I thought Spectacular was a near perfect show though I wish it was placed in the same animated universe as Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Wolverine and the X-Men. But at the time Spectacular started, Sony still had the television rights to Spidey, so I understand why that didn't happen. It had a great mix of characters from all eras of Spidey not just from various comic timelines but even used the Osborn Butler from the movies as well. I think the producers of the show even bragged about having no original characters.

Some continuity sticklers may complain about characterizations here and there. Montana of the Enforcers becomes Shocker, Ned Leeds is re-cast as Asian and re-named Ned Lee to make the show more diverse, and a lot of characters either are de-aged or place in settings the original comics never had them in. But I think those creative decisions still were done with the best of intentions and allowed the show to have a great supporting cast of characters.

The 90s Spider-Man cartoon, as well as almost all of Marvel's 90s shows except for the second season of Iron Man, has aged poorly. The only high point is the voice acting. The story, the script, the reused animation, the really bad plots, the huge focus on Morbius even though he has appeared in only a handful of Spider-Man issues in his 40+ years of being a character, the list goes on and on. And on top of that Fox had some really ridiculous limitations on what type of violence could be shown.

The 60s animated series is...interesting. I mean it is really, really cheap, and absolutely cheesy at times. Some episodes seem to be entirely built around Betty or Peter making a cheesy pun at the end. There really isn't much drama, and the series suffered even more in its later seasons due to further cost cutting. But it did give us that amazing song (which CBS really screwed the singers over as they were only paid a flat fee for it and don't see a penny of royalties) and despite the rough villain plots, I think Peter, Betty, and Jonah are pretty strong in the show, even though the villains and plots can be really bad.

I really haven't seen much of the other shows. I honestly can't sit through Amazing Friends because it is just so awfully cheesy.


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Comicguy1




At least it was when I first saw it. I used to watch it religiously. Sadly, it hasn't held up. I mean, AT ALL! It's very dated. I still love certain episodes though, like the Hobgoblin ones. And it was very faithful to the comic books.


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Richard L




The X Men one was good too but how Wolvie managed to fight without ever killing anyone was a constant mystery.

I still think the Spider-Man cartoon you mention had it right overall. The ray guns instead of real guns were lame, and yeah some of it looks ropey now, but what a kid classic!

The latest Spider-Man cartoon is just Ben 10 in Spider-Man costume.


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Wolverine in any X-men cartoon is a classic case of censorship as his foes tend to wield big weapons that he cuts to pieces or they wear armor that somehow is proof against adamantium or they have a force field (Vindicator of Alpha Flight)

The 90's Spiderman cartoon was another Fox censorship fest: ray guns for everyone including the cops, and of course bringing in Carnage was a mistake as they wanted to keep the cartoon PG rated.....

Still it is a fun cartoon to watch today and is among the best of the Spidey cartoons......WHY IS IT NOT ON DVD/BLU RAY IN THE U.S.????

One would think that releasing that series in its entirety back in the Sam Rami movie days would have been a good thing with Spidey popularity at such a high point.

The currently Ultimate Spidey cartoon is a joke.....and not a funny one


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Like any adaptation, there are certain parts that are quite faithful and others that aren't at all.

Like most adaptations from one form of media to another, there are several characters who exclusively exist within that adaptation. In the case of STAS, that female detective is one. It has been suggestion she was supposed to be Jean DeWollfe, though there really isn't much characteristics that are similar besides both being women and police officers.

Most characters are pretty close or good enough to their comic counterparts. But there's still some that are major departures. Deb Whitman is a fellow science student at ESU and is on par with Peter in terms of intelligence but holds little similarities to her comic counterpart than her name.

Kingpin is pretty close if you only look at his pre-Daredevil appearances and keep him as the big guy with the cane that shoots lasers.

And I still have to mention this every time STAS comes up. I actually went to spiderfan.org once and counted the number of issues of a Spider-Man related series Morbius has actually appeared in over his 40+ years as a character. Since his introduction, the vast majority of his appearances have been in Marvel's occult, vampire, or otherwise grimmer books and his appearances in Spider-Man and Spider-Man stories is few and far between. But for some reason, him and Blade are major figures in this.

Electro is also the Red Skull's son or something, which I guess was a re-working of a animated Spidey movie that was never made with the Red Skull as the main villain.

I also think that just because the comics do a dumb storyline doesn't mean adaptations should repeat dumb storylines. The Peter's PArents are Super Spys is...ugh....a really, really bad time in Spidey. I'm convinced whoever wrote that issue just wanted to write Peters parents, they sat Stan Lee down and Lee said "They're super spies! Excelsior!" and then that writer went and did this mess.

Regardless, I don't think adaptations should be held to their original media too rigidly because otherwise what's the point in making a new work of art? They should be judged by their quality. And the 90s series has aged horribly. At least the 60s series has a certain novelty to it that I don't think the 90s ever will.


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    I also think that just because the comics do a dumb storyline doesn't mean adaptations should repeat dumb storylines. The Peter's PArents are Super Spys is...ugh....a really, really bad time in Spidey. I'm convinced whoever wrote that issue just wanted to write Peters parents, they sat Stan Lee down and Lee said "They're super spies! Excelsior!" and then that writer went and did this mess.


But wasn't it Stan Lee himself who did this, in an Amazing Spider-Man Annual? I don't disagree with your evaluation of the decision--I just don't think Stan can pass the buck here.

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Blargh




Oh, you're right. I must've forgotten that. I could've sworn it was hit on by a writer shortly after Stan'd departure, but it appears I'm wrong.


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