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OK, everyone in the world knows that Superman can't get powers under a red star. Everyone also knows that Superman has powers under a yellow star. But what about other color stars? There are blue, white, and orange stars in the universe. How do Superman's powers work under those colored stars? Has this ever been covered in a comic? Is he perhaps more powerful near a blue star, which releases more energy then a yellow star? Just wondering if this has been touched on.

I don't know if this makes my question more confusing, but our sun is actually white, not yellow. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification

Now the sun looks yellow to me, but if it is actually white, maybe that answers my question.


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Gernot




> OK, everyone in the world knows that Superman can't get powers under a red star. Everyone also knows that Superman has powers under a yellow star. But what about other color stars? There are blue, white, and orange stars in the universe. How do Superman's powers work under those colored stars? Has this ever been covered in a comic? Is he perhaps more powerful near a blue star, which releases more energy then a yellow star? Just wondering if this has been touched on.
>
> I don't know if this makes my question more confusing, but our sun is actually white, not yellow. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification
>
> Now the sun looks yellow to me, but if it is actually white, maybe that answers my question.

I think it was covered in a couple of Pre-1986 comics that depending on how young the star is, the more power (not necessarily more powerS) Superman has.

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> > OK, everyone in the world knows that Superman can't get powers under a red star. Everyone also knows that Superman has powers under a yellow star. But what about other color stars? There are blue, white, and orange stars in the universe. How do Superman's powers work under those colored stars? Has this ever been covered in a comic? Is he perhaps more powerful near a blue star, which releases more energy then a yellow star? Just wondering if this has been touched on.
> >
> > I don't know if this makes my question more confusing, but our sun is actually white, not yellow. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification
> >
> > Now the sun looks yellow to me, but if it is actually white, maybe that answers my question.
>
> I think it was covered in a couple of Pre-1986 comics that depending on how young the star is, the more power (not necessarily more powerS) Superman has.

Yes, that was true at one point... Believe that he was able to function at about 50% of nomal under an Orange star, while both White dwarfs/Blue Stars actuslly were able to boost his power levels to a degree..

Would be interesting to see current DC take on the cincept of just how Stars affect Supes!

Also, are you under the impression that Supes CAN function while exposed to Red Sun energies as long as his solar reserves last, its just that he cannot replenish and use the Red Sun to allow him to remain "super" once his yellow energies is used up?
And don't see Red Solar enrgies as useful as blasting him with Green K, since doesn't K weakened/hurt him immediatly, while he needs a large amount of Red Solar exposure to cancel out his body being able to absorb the Sun? he still has powers for awhile being blasted by say Red solar laser, yes?
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darth-sinister




> > > OK, everyone in the world knows that Superman can't get powers under a red star. Everyone also knows that Superman has powers under a yellow star. But what about other color stars? There are blue, white, and orange stars in the universe. How do Superman's powers work under those colored stars? Has this ever been covered in a comic? Is he perhaps more powerful near a blue star, which releases more energy then a yellow star? Just wondering if this has been touched on.
> > >
> > > I don't know if this makes my question more confusing, but our sun is actually white, not yellow. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification
> > >
> > > Now the sun looks yellow to me, but if it is actually white, maybe that answers my question.
> >
> > I think it was covered in a couple of Pre-1986 comics that depending on how young the star is, the more power (not necessarily more powerS) Superman has.
>
> Yes, that was true at one point... Believe that he was able to function at about 50% of nomal under an Orange star, while both White dwarfs/Blue Stars actuslly were able to boost his power levels to a degree..
>
> Would be interesting to see current DC take on the cincept of just how Stars affect Supes!
>
> Also, are you under the impression that Supes CAN function while exposed to Red Sun energies as long as his solar reserves last, its just that he cannot replenish and use the Red Sun to allow him to remain "super" once his yellow energies is used up?

As we've seen, Superman can still function under a red sun if he is on a planet like Krypton. But once he's used up the solar energy, the red replaces the yellow. Closer to the red sun, he will lose his powers faster since there is nothing to filter it out. This is all post Crisis.

> And don't see Red Solar enrgies as useful as blasting him with Green K, since doesn't K weakened/hurt him immediatly, while he needs a large amount of Red Solar exposure to cancel out his body being able to absorb the Sun? he still has powers for awhile being blasted by say Red solar laser, yes?

As we've seen with Ruin, the red sun energies being bombarded into Superman can hurt. Ruin just chose to use that since he didn't have access to Kryptonite. But you're right, Green Kryptonite can and is more effective since Clark tends to drop. Though these days, it doesn't drop him as quickly. But that could be a writer's perogative (sp). Red sun energy is effective only when Kryptonite isn't available.


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Gernot




> > > > OK, everyone in the world knows that Superman can't get powers under a red star. Everyone also knows that Superman has powers under a yellow star. But what about other color stars? There are blue, white, and orange stars in the universe. How do Superman's powers work under those colored stars? Has this ever been covered in a comic? Is he perhaps more powerful near a blue star, which releases more energy then a yellow star? Just wondering if this has been touched on.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if this makes my question more confusing, but our sun is actually white, not yellow. Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_classification
> > > >
> > > > Now the sun looks yellow to me, but if it is actually white, maybe that answers my question.
> > >
> > > I think it was covered in a couple of Pre-1986 comics that depending on how young the star is, the more power (not necessarily more powerS) Superman has.
> >
> > Yes, that was true at one point... Believe that he was able to function at about 50% of nomal under an Orange star, while both White dwarfs/Blue Stars actuslly were able to boost his power levels to a degree..
> >
> > Would be interesting to see current DC take on the cincept of just how Stars affect Supes!
> >
> > Also, are you under the impression that Supes CAN function while exposed to Red Sun energies as long as his solar reserves last, its just that he cannot replenish and use the Red Sun to allow him to remain "super" once his yellow energies is used up?
>
> As we've seen, Superman can still function under a red sun if he is on a planet like Krypton. But once he's used up the solar energy, the red replaces the yellow. Closer to the red sun, he will lose his powers faster since there is nothing to filter it out. This is all post Crisis.
>
> > And don't see Red Solar enrgies as useful as blasting him with Green K, since doesn't K weakened/hurt him immediatly, while he needs a large amount of Red Solar exposure to cancel out his body being able to absorb the Sun? he still has powers for awhile being blasted by say Red solar laser, yes?
>
> As we've seen with Ruin, the red sun energies being bombarded into Superman can hurt. Ruin just chose to use that since he didn't have access to Kryptonite. But you're right, Green Kryptonite can and is more effective since Clark tends to drop. Though these days, it doesn't drop him as quickly. But that could be a writer's perogative (sp). Red sun energy is effective only when Kryptonite isn't available.

In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.

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> In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.

Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.

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Beowulf




> > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
>


I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.

> Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
>
> omike015
> \:\-\|

Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.


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Gernot




> > > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
> >
>
>
> I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.
>
> > Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
> >
> > omike015
> > \:\-\|
>
> Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
> I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.

Yeah, I remember, pre-1986, Superman did a LOT of deep-space travelling, and I don't think he only hung around yellow suns. He'd go as close to red stars as needed, and only lost his powers if he got too close to that star's system.

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darth-sinister




> > > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
> >
>
>
> I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.
>
> > Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
> >
> > omike015
> > \:\-\|
>
> Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
> I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.


First, there was no red sun where Argo was, in "Superman vs Aliens". The first thing he notices is that there is no sun there and that he can already feel himself start to weaken. That's how come the Alien's acid was able to burn his face and why it was tough to fight it. By the end of issue two, he's at the level of the Golden Age incarnation. In issue three, he barely has enough juice to use X-ray vision. Once he gets home and near the sun, he quickly recharges and survives the Queen chestburster.

Second, that story that you mentioned Beowulf, that was before it was fully established that the sun has to do with powers. On Krypton, they were normal people. Away from there, they were super powered. As the 60's started, the sun would play a factor in power levels. Someone can correct me on that.


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Beowulf




> > > > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.
> >
> > > Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
> > >
> > > omike015
> > > \:\-\|
> >
> > Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
> > I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.
>
>
> First, there was no red sun where Argo was, in "Superman vs Aliens". The first thing he notices is that there is no sun there and that he can already feel himself start to weaken. That's how come the Alien's acid was able to burn his face and why it was tough to fight it. By the end of issue two, he's at the level of the Golden Age incarnation. In issue three, he barely has enough juice to use X-ray vision. Once he gets home and near the sun, he quickly recharges and survives the Queen chestburster.
>

No red sun at Argo itself, but i dimly remember him stating that there were many red suns in area, while he is enroute to Argo in his space-ship. Might be wrong, though, since it has been a while since i last read it.

> Second, that story that you mentioned Beowulf, that was before it was fully established that the sun has to do with powers. On Krypton, they were normal people. Away from there, they were super powered. As the 60's started, the sun would play a factor in power levels. Someone can correct me on that.

Nevertheless, the powers were of a on/off switch proposition. It seemed more that Superman's powers had to be switched off, by red suns, than eventual fading away themselves by lack of a yellow sun.


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darth-sinister




> > > > > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.
> > >
> > > > Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
> > > >
> > > > omike015
> > > > \:\-\|
> > >
> > > Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
> > > I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.
> >
> >
> > First, there was no red sun where Argo was, in "Superman vs Aliens". The first thing he notices is that there is no sun there and that he can already feel himself start to weaken. That's how come the Alien's acid was able to burn his face and why it was tough to fight it. By the end of issue two, he's at the level of the Golden Age incarnation. In issue three, he barely has enough juice to use X-ray vision. Once he gets home and near the sun, he quickly recharges and survives the Queen chestburster.
> >
>
> No red sun at Argo itself, but i dimly remember him stating that there were many red suns in area, while he is enroute to Argo in his space-ship. Might be wrong, though, since it has been a while since i last read it.

I'll double check, but for much of the 90's, the red sun was barely a factor. Only in showing Krypton via flashbacks and mentioning that only a yellow sun can make him Superman. It wasn't, as far as I can recall, until "Return To Krypton" that we started getting confirmation that he can have his power under a red sun for a short time.


> > Second, that story that you mentioned Beowulf, that was before it was fully established that the sun has to do with powers. On Krypton, they were normal people. Away from there, they were super powered. As the 60's started, the sun would play a factor in power levels. Someone can correct me on that.
>
> Nevertheless, the powers were of a on/off switch proposition. It seemed more that Superman's powers had to be switched off, by red suns, than eventual fading away themselves by lack of a yellow sun.

The fading came when it was established that Superman is like a solar battery or a sponge. Pre-Crisis, it was just a light switch, if you will. Dense molecular structure and all that. Post-Crisis, he could gain his powers slowly and then lose them slowly. Over time, regaining his powers didn't take as long as losing them.


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Beowulf




> > > > > > In the thread above, Niddle mentioned a Superman Vs. Aliens story. In that story, Superman wasn't near ANY sun at all, and he eventually became powerless. I don't think that kind of thing happened at all pre-1986.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think, Superman did mention to himself that there were many red stars in that area, which would have contributed to his faster power loss.
> > > >
> > > > > Sure it did. Pre-Crisis, Superman had to be under -- or at least near -- a yellow sun, or his powers went away.
> > > > >
> > > > > omike015
> > > > > \:\-\|
> > > >
> > > > Don't think that it was that cut and dried. Once he had superpowers, he kept them, till he was exposed to red sunlight.
> > > > I remember even a story, where Jor-El and Lara had powers on one of Krypton's moons while being out of the red sun.
> > >
> > >
> > > First, there was no red sun where Argo was, in "Superman vs Aliens". The first thing he notices is that there is no sun there and that he can already feel himself start to weaken. That's how come the Alien's acid was able to burn his face and why it was tough to fight it. By the end of issue two, he's at the level of the Golden Age incarnation. In issue three, he barely has enough juice to use X-ray vision. Once he gets home and near the sun, he quickly recharges and survives the Queen chestburster.
> > >
> >
> > No red sun at Argo itself, but i dimly remember him stating that there were many red suns in area, while he is enroute to Argo in his space-ship. Might be wrong, though, since it has been a while since i last read it.
>
> I'll double check, but for much of the 90's, the red sun was barely a factor. Only in showing Krypton via flashbacks and mentioning that only a yellow sun can make him Superman. It wasn't, as far as I can recall, until "Return To Krypton" that we started getting confirmation that he can have his power under a red sun for a short time.
>
>
> > > Second, that story that you mentioned Beowulf, that was before it was fully established that the sun has to do with powers. On Krypton, they were normal people. Away from there, they were super powered. As the 60's started, the sun would play a factor in power levels. Someone can correct me on that.
> >
> > Nevertheless, the powers were of a on/off switch proposition. It seemed more that Superman's powers had to be switched off, by red suns, than eventual fading away themselves by lack of a yellow sun.
>
> The fading came when it was established that Superman is like a solar battery or a sponge. Pre-Crisis, it was just a light switch, if you will. Dense molecular structure and all that. Post-Crisis, he could gain his powers slowly and then lose them slowly. Over time, regaining his powers didn't take as long as losing them.

I was referring to pre-crisis times.


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