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I've been re-reading my old post-crisis Superman comics and was wondering if the origin of Superman's electrical powers was ever explained. I always assumed it had something to do with his efforts to regain his powers following Final Night, but the robots in the Fortress of Solitude stopped recognizing his Kryptonian DNA before that (Superman #117). What was the source of the change and when was it explained.


P.S. Another less pressing question I've had is when did Lex Luthor deiscover he had cancer? What issue?


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Niddle




> I've been re-reading my old post-crisis Superman comics and was wondering if the origin of Superman's electrical powers was ever explained. I always assumed it had something to do with his efforts to regain his powers following Final Night, but the robots in the Fortress of Solitude stopped recognizing his Kryptonian DNA before that (Superman #117). What was the source of the change and when was it explained.

It never really was. A few things happened that SEEMED to cause it, if you looked back. The teleporting into Kandor might have thrown his DNA slightly out of sync with its normal pattern.

Also, when his powers faded during FINAL NIGHT, he got shocked by some energy based lifeform some guys dug up in the Artic.

No real explanation, tho', and certainly none as to why the two energy versions of him (red and blue) merged and switched back to his nomral form (and powers) when they expended all their energy in one joint blast during the "visit" by the giants from some other realm.


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> P.S. Another less pressing question I've had is when did Lex Luthor deiscover he had cancer? What issue?

I'd only guess at maybe that happening as far back as 15 years ago.

It's been retconned out, anyway, since a flashback showed bald Lex being the one whose DNA was used to help create Conner.

By rights, it should have been "Lex Jr." since he was the one around at the time.

Seems the whole Lex Jr. thing (and the cancer) may never have happened.

This does leave open a question as to how dangerous kryptonite is to humans in the present timeline, tho' someone's recently said something about it "not being harmful to humans, at least not as bad as it is to Superman".


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omike015




> > I've been re-reading my old post-crisis Superman comics and was wondering if the origin of Superman's electrical powers was ever explained. I always assumed it had something to do with his efforts to regain his powers following Final Night, but the robots in the Fortress of Solitude stopped recognizing his Kryptonian DNA before that (Superman #117). What was the source of the change and when was it explained.
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> It never really was. A few things happened that SEEMED to cause it, if you looked back. The teleporting into Kandor might have thrown his DNA slightly out of sync with its normal pattern.
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> Also, when his powers faded during FINAL NIGHT, he got shocked by some energy based lifeform some guys dug up in the Artic.
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> No real explanation, tho',

SUPERMAN SECRET FILES AND ORIGINS #1 said it occured as a result of Superman's battle with Tolos and being drawn into Kandor. See, Kandor exists (existed?) on a different plane, and when Tolos tried to pull him in, it left Superman slightly out of phase.

>and certainly none as to why the two energy versions of him (red and blue) merged and switched back to his nomral form (and powers) when they expended all their energy in one joint blast during the "visit" by the giants from some other realm.

Why he changed back was explained in SUPERMAN FOREVER.

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> > P.S. Another less pressing question I've had is when did Lex Luthor deiscover he had cancer? What issue?
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> I'd only guess at maybe that happening as far back as 15 years ago.
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It was a LITTLE further back than that, Niddle! \:\) It happened in Action Comics #600, which came out in February 1988. \:\)

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> SUPERMAN SECRET FILES AND ORIGINS #1 said it occured as a result of Superman's battle with Tolos and being drawn into Kandor. See, Kandor exists (existed?) on a different plane, and when Tolos tried to pull him in, it left Superman slightly out of phase.

Well, I remembered it as being a possibility, at least. Sorry if it was said to be a certainty instead.


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> Why he changed back was explained in SUPERMAN FOREVER.

Don't leave us hanging! What did it say?!?!?


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> It was a LITTLE further back than that, Niddle! \:\) It happened in Action Comics #600, which came out in February 1988. \:\)

I was SO badly trying to avoid saying "Maybe twenty years ago". \:D

How's about an update on the SUPERMAN FOREVER story omike mentions elsewhere in the thread? (Was that the film where Conner's parents are killed while working in the circus, and he comes to live with Clark? And later he steals the Supermobile? No...wait...)


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I found something MOTA said on the Homepage's message board about 7 months ago-

...I mean, if the energy creature wasn't intended to play a part of the story then the story itself becomes pointless, and back then the stories were anything but that. Unlike today (and for the last eight years) the stories back then were all part of the bigger puzzle, you know? Things didn't happen just for the sake of it like now, there must have been a purpose to that story.

Apparently I'm not the only one who got the impression that the energy being was also involved in Superman's conversion, not just the teleporting.


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omike015




> > Why he changed back was explained in SUPERMAN FOREVER.
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> Don't leave us hanging! What did it say?!?!?

Blueperman and his Crimson Counterpart sacrificed themselves to stop the Millenium Giants. He/They were rewarded for that sacrifice by being restored.

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omike015




> I found something MOTA said on the Homepage's message board about 7 months ago-
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> ...I mean, if the energy creature wasn't intended to play a part of the story then the story itself becomes pointless, and back then the stories were anything but that. Unlike today (and for the last eight years) the stories back then were all part of the bigger puzzle, you know? Things didn't happen just for the sake of it like now, there must have been a purpose to that story.
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> Apparently I'm not the only one who got the impression that the energy being was also involved in Superman's conversion, not just the teleporting.

That "energy being" you keep referring to was Tolos.

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> > > Why he changed back was explained in SUPERMAN FOREVER.
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> > Don't leave us hanging! What did it say?!?!?
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> Blueperman and his Crimson Counterpart sacrificed themselves to stop the Millenium Giants. He/They were rewarded for that sacrifice by being restored.

Oh, THAT.

I thought you meant it actually explained the ins and outs. Right now it's still just a guess. We don't know how or who or anything.

Here you had me thinking I'd missed some major point.

Was the FOREVER book the one where he wakes up in his bedroom in the farmhouse (after crashing naked in a field), and realizes he must have his old powers back because he can hear Ma and Pa talking a good ways away?


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> That "energy being" you keep referring to was Tolos.


You mean Tolos was the electric thing that was unearthed in the Arctic and that zapped Superman just as his powers were quitting on him entirely? (This was during FINAL NIGHT. Hal hadn't relit the sun yet.)


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omike015




> I thought you meant it actually explained the ins and outs. Right now it's still just a guess. We don't know how or who or anything.

Clark speculated it, but then Kismet confirmed it later in the issue.
    
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> > That "energy being" you keep referring to was Tolos.
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> You mean Tolos was the electric thing that was unearthed in the Arctic and that zapped Superman just as his powers were quitting on him entirely? (This was during FINAL NIGHT. Hal hadn't relit the sun yet.)

I'm pretty sure. Maybe I'm misremembering, though. I guess I could dig out the issues. But that would mean subjecting myself to them. *gah*

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> Clark speculated it, but then Kismet confirmed it later in the issue.

I'm assuming she didn't go into detail then? If so, that no doubt led to me sort of passing it off as "Yeah. Right. I'm stil waiting for how, why and who. There's been no real explanation."


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