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liheibao


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OK, it's yet another reboot, but some things never get old . . . I hope. Since One Year Later, Superman has yet to be clearly defined continuity wise (Superboy, Legion, Smallville, etc.) and I hope this will do the job, and also be an interesting read. Who knows, if it's good enough, maybe it can be foundational towards the next film, which shouldn't be yet another reboot, just stick to the basics and throw in Mongul & Warworld. Brainic after that. ;\)




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Lorendiac


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    OK, it's yet another reboot, but some things never get old . . . I hope. Since One Year Later, Superman has yet to be clearly defined continuity wise (Superboy, Legion, Smallville, etc.) and I hope this will do the job, and also be an interesting read. Who knows, if it's good enough, maybe it can be foundational towards the next film, which shouldn't be yet another reboot, just stick to the basics and throw in Mongul & Warworld. Brainic after that. ;\)


As I understand it, a "reboot" means you throw all or nearly all of the character's old continuity out the window. If you simply rearrange certain details of his "ancient history from many years ago," that's just a garden-variety "retcon."

When John Byrne's "Man of Steel" mini started coming out after "Crisis on Infinite Earths," it was a Superman reboot. Because just about every story ever published about Superman in previous issues of his various series ("Superman," "Action Comics," "Superboy," etc.) was being thrown out the window.

On the other hand, when Mark Waid's 12-part "Birthright" came out several years ago, it wasn't a reboot. It was just retconning various details of Clark Kent's childhood and his first months on the job as a costumed superhero after he started wearing the colorful Superman outfit.

But the underlying assumption was that, aside from the details of his backstory which were being rewritten on the fly, nearly all of his previous Post-COIE stories were still in continuity. For instance: He had still gotten himself killed in the stories of the early 90s, been "replaced" by four different guys with S-shields on their chests, and then finally came back from the dead. He had still married Lois Lane after a long engagement; he had still experienced the horror of seeing Lex Luthor get elected President of the United States later on; and so forth!

As far as I know, "Secret Origin" is going to be more of the same. It will, once again, give us someone's "new spin" on how Clark Kent became the Superman he is today. But I don't expect it to tell us that most of his published stories from the last 23 years or so are now being "erased from history!" That makes it a retcon instead of a reboot -- if I'm right!






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RodimusPrime


Member Since: Sat Nov 15, 2008
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I think that a "Batman Begins" type Superman movie would be fantastic. Take all the elements that made Superman awesome in the first place, and build an original story that will make the movie accessable to everyone, whether they know the character or not.
They could even use a heavyweight like Brainiac as the villain (of course Luthor would be in it, but save him as the big bad for a sequel, we've seen too much of him in the 5 movies to date). It was fantastic the way that a Kryptonian-Brainiac was worked into TAS. They wouldn't have to necessarily have Brainiac actually be Kryptonian for the movie, but he could be tied to Superman's origin and Krypton's demise the way that the has been set up in current continuity.
Hugo Weaving would be a terrific Brainiac too. He could just play a mixture of the cold and emotionless Agent Smith, and tie in a touch of the pure evil that he brought to Megatron.
Portray him the way he was in Justice (Alex Ross painting Brainy in a surgeon's smock covered in blood was just awesome) and we would have the TRULY horrific supervillain that we have yet to see in any superhero movie... a menace so terrible that ONLY the greatest superhero of them all could overcome.
The sad thing is that Brandon Routh had potential to be a truly magnificent Superman. The plane rescue in "Superman Returns" was one of the most phenomenal things I have seen in a movie. The way that he casually stolled onto the plane and made sure everyone was ok was the most "Superman" thing that I have seen in a movie... he just didn't have the greatest product to work with in the first place. And an entirely new franchise of movies would require a seperation from the other films, meaning that Brandon would not be in the cast.


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RodimusPrime


Member Since: Sat Nov 15, 2008
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    As far as I know, "Secret Origin" is going to be more of the same. It will, once again, give us someone's "new spin" on how Clark Kent became the Superman he is today. But I don't expect it to tell us that most of his published stories from the last 23 years or so are now being "erased from history!" That makes it a retcon instead of a reboot -- if I'm right!


That about sums it up from my understanding. With "New Earth" we do indeed have a "new" Superman. He is more powerful (close-to-but-not-quite pre-COIE levels), and due to the recent retelling of his death, and the flashback of him and Hal moving the Earth in JLA, he has always been that powerful. But unless there is a story told that directly conflicts a previous story, it's in continuity. He still revealed himself to the world by saving the space-plane... but he was in costume. He still fought Imperiex, he died fighting Doomsday... previous interactions with Brainiac have been (for the most part) left intact, but a new dimension has been added to those encounters.
At the moment I like the path they are taking at retooling Superman. As great as the Man of Steel mini-series was (a truly definitive vision for the character) it was inherently flawed right from the start... like cutting Superboy and his adventures with the Legion of Superheroes out of continuity, and Kara... as not only did we lose alot of great stories and history, her big sacrifice of battling the Anti-Monitor to save Superman never happened. I'm not sure if some of the stuff he cut out was entirely his decision, or how much editorial pressure he was under, but there were some truly charming elements removed from Superman in the post-COIE reboot.
But now that they are working alot of the more popular pre-crisis elements back into his history, they would be making a mistake by eliminating ALL of the post-crisis stuff. Most of my favorite Superman stories are post-crisis stories, and I would be annoyed if they lost their significance in the new reboot.


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darth-sinister




Correct. What it is doing is redefining the stories where Clark grew up and then merge the best elements from the 71 year history, so that it flows and they don't have to do this again. At least for a while. It basically, as I understand it, goes up to a point where the first Crisis happened and then the rest that came next, remain in continuity.


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darth-sinister




Actually, the continuity has been defined. We've seen Krypton's past. We know that to date, nothing in "World Of Krypton" by Byrne and Mignola has been contradicted. The Science Guild's look works since at one point, many Kryptonian scientists dressed that way. We've seen many elements that match up to the work of earlier writers is still in continuity.


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Daveym 

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    At the moment I like the path they are taking at retooling Superman. As great as the Man of Steel mini-series was (a truly definitive vision for the character) it was inherently flawed right from the start... like cutting Superboy and his adventures with the Legion of Superheroes out of continuity, and Kara... as not only did we lose alot of great stories and history, her big sacrifice of battling the Anti-Monitor to save Superman never happened. I'm not sure if some of the stuff he cut out was entirely his decision, or how much editorial pressure he was under, but there were some truly charming elements removed from Superman in the post-COIE reboot.



I agree Byrne made errors by jettisoning certain elements but i'd still take his basic treatment over what we have today as it was very fresh and it was very dynamic, neither term can really be applied to the modernday Superman who feels and reads too much as an attempt to include everything of even mild significance added over his 70 odd year existence. In short there is now way too much clutter surrounding him again.






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