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If you want to be semi-spoiled get a load of This, DC talking about the new Launch and status-quo for Superman and it certainly raised my eyebrows....! \(fear\)



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    If you want to be semi-spoiled get a load of This, DC talking about the new Launch and status-quo for Superman and it certainly raised my eyebrows....! \(fear\)


...I'm glad they let themselves start over to play with his origin but something tells me they won't seize the opportunity to fully rethink Superman like they need to. I personally don't mind his alien side being explore more than it was, and like the fact he is single, but I hope some good reasons are also explored to explain why he would be grounded in humanity.

Also, I'm not against him starting back with his powers in their infancy as long as they don't top too low compared to the rest of the denizen of the DCU. I also hope they will remove some weakness Superman use to have and finally let Superman travel in space on his own somewhere down the line when his powers have matured. I don't want a leaping grasshopper forever. As for his armor costume, I don't care as long as it doesn't explain his invulnerability. If that the case, I instantly quit Superman comics for good. It's DC's last chance as far as I'm concerned. Change for change shake is already annoying without adding unwanted side effects to the mix. I hope this guy still feel like the Superman I've known. What's the point fighting to keep a character if so little of him remains in the end?



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they could could have gave him the same suit with all its seems and made it leather or something! Like hancocks or movie X-MEN! same outfit just not armor! HE'S FREAKEN SUPERMAN! NO ARMOR IS NEEDED! KYPTONIAN OR OTHERWISE! this makes me want to puke! THEY DID'NT NEED TO CHANGE SUPERMAN! they needed to just change his clones! and make him unique! TOO MANY SUPERMAN ARCHETYPES RUNNING AROUND! if he was the only one we would'nt have this problem! SUPERMAN DID'NT NEED CHANGE! the universe around him did! Put Alan Moore back on him! All Star Superman was Superman Done right! EXCEPT FOR THE DYING AND POWER BOOST. Greatest Superman tale ever! IMO


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Daveym 

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That armour(?) is odd to look at I agree. DC have just posted a cover to Supergirl below and it looks both dated and overly 'busy'.
I don't expect it to be around long but the thinking behind it is faulty In my view....



http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/07/18/the-new-adventures-of-the-man-of-steel-continue/

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... more rope for DC to hang itself. This corroborates Grant Morrison flat-out saying that the new Superman will be like the 1938 Superman. DC must be dying to hand the character over to the Heirs, which is F-I-N-E fine by me.

I'll keep a light on, Supey. And a pen in my hand.

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    ... more rope for DC to hang itself. This corroborates Grant Morrison flat-out saying that the new Superman will be like the 1938 Superman. DC must be dying to hand the character over to the Heirs, which is F-I-N-E by me.



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    I'll keep a light on, Supey. And a pen in my hand.



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It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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arent those bullet sandwhiches ( tuna, turkey, roast beef, etc. ) 2.99?




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I'm not sure about the details of the sandwich. All I know is that I can't think of a better way to spend $2.99 these days than on a Quizno sandwich. Wouldn't you agree?


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Now that we have a few more details as to what is coming, i still say hitting the reboot button is like hitting the chicken switch. To me, it says that DC has a complete and total lack of imagination. The only way they can do these things is if they reboot everything.

Superman wearing Kryptonian Armor, in honor of his heritage. Cool idea, seeing as how the "Krypton" story is now over and he had a chance to embrace his roots. He even lived through Krypton being destroyed again. Not being married to Lois? Hey, poeople separate and even divorce.

It's called evolving the character.

Even with the events of 52, infinite crisis,and even Brightest Day, you can still fudge around with something.
Hero's have come back from the dead and they have changed with events going on in their own titles.

Does this call for a reboot? That is what it is. To bad we don;t have our own little "reboot" button. No matter what they call it, the industry knows what DC is doing and instead of this being a step up, it shows just how low DC has fallen!


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I'm interested in this new concept. The New Krypton storyline left me quite disappointed in Superman's character. I hope this storyline does not follow the original. He doesn't have to be with a "selfish" Lois. I'm hoping for change here. I'm really hoping that when he meets Batman he puts the Dark Knight in his place. I'm tired of Batman always seeming to be the leader of two. His fortress of solitude should be on the moon, can't get anymore quiet than that. And being Superman, he should somehow be able to breathe in space and water. No holding his breath anymore.


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    Now that we have a few more details as to what is coming, i still say hitting the reboot button is like hitting the chicken switch. To me, it says that DC has a complete and total lack of imagination. The only way they can do these things is if they reboot everything.

True, I'm an optimist when it comes to comics, I don't like the online negativity a lot of forums online have (not this one mind) as people jump to unwarranted conclusions about books and new directions and seen to be predisposed for negativity. Now given the increasing reliance on hype and spin in the industry and particularly DCs antics in recent years I can understand the anxiety and cynicism, I'm beginning to share it to a degree, I'm also of the mind that DC owe me an apology for the shameful way 'Grounded' has limped out and has bled Superman readers of their time and money... I'm getting behind this Superman revamp as I think it's what the character needs and like most I'm pinning my hopes on Grant Morrison delivering a masterplan that can rescucitate a moribund character that DC has no idea what to do with. The downside of that is that it may be expecting too much of the writer as he will be battling against the editorial regime that has been responsible for Superman getting to this state to begin with, and even Morrison doesn't always get it right - His Batman hasn't floated my boat at all for example.


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    Superman wearing Kryptonian Armor, in honor of his heritage. Cool idea, seeing as how the "Krypton" story is now over and he had a chance to embrace his roots. He even lived through Krypton being destroyed again. Not being married to Lois? Hey, poeople separate and even divorce.

The more I see of the new costumes the more I dislike them. A big mistake given this is a reboot, If Action is him getting started and 'Superman' is set right now are they saying he never wore the traditional Costume? If so it's a huge mistake as this armour(?) is already looking quaint and I think we all know it won't be around long. For another thing though if they're saying he DID wear the traditional costume but has now switched to this 'armour' what's going to be the explanation for him deciding to wear it all of a sudden?

Right there is just one potentially huge time-bomb DC will be having to deal with. They market a Superman that has been wearing the exact same costume for decades, this new look however is both dated already and not likely to last any length of time. It's a strange hubris that lets a publisher think such a radical shift is a great idea; but then it seems everyone wants to make their mark on Superman and Jim Lee's fingerprints are all over this design... if they really thought his traditional costume was naff then why not go the full distance and get rid of the 'silly' cape along with his 'silly' shorts.


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    It's called evolving the character.



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    Even with the events of 52, infinite crisis,and even Brightest Day, you can still fudge around with something.
    Hero's have come back from the dead and they have changed with events going on in their own titles.



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    Does this call for a reboot? That is what it is. To bad we don;t have our own little "reboot" button. No matter what they call it, the industry knows what DC is doing and instead of this being a step up, it shows just how low DC has fallen!

I think it quite possible they will fall down with this yes, They have treated their current readership with indifference at best but the clear message to come out of all this is their sheer implacable conviction that digital iis the great saviour, that selling via download will bring the punters in in droves. I doubt it will be as great as they hope personally, but there's no way to know.
For one thing I don't think they have the advertising muscle needed to saturate their target demographic, for another I don't think people will really want to pay for and download anything more than the odd issue to try out, a comic download does not have the appeal or currency of a music or film download. If kids have money to spend on downloading I can't see them getting behind comics as a worthy way of disposing of their petty caash when they can instead doownload tunes or Apps for their phones and whatnot.
If in six to twelve months the figures aren't showing anything more than a modest improvement at best over the previous twelve months then I can't see it being deemed an unqualified success. If this new universe is also riddled with inconsistencies and flat storytelling than that too won't help the cause, selling on pure Hype is easy it's the products quality and integrity that's the true attraction.
What DC have apparently done here is dispose of the histories and relationships of some of these characters and are now inevitably going to be forced to retroactively fill in the holes - What's the Teen Titans histories and links to their mentors now? What's the Legions link to Superman? What about the Justice Society? Which books are set in the past and which are set 'now'? It just goes on and on. If in twelve or so months time DC are forced to backtrack then I can't see their credibility surviving, even an optimist like me would be hard pressed to put any faith in them anymore as as RAB points out up above 'once bitten twice shy. Bite me two or three times and it's well and truly over.... In this context I really do worry about DCs future as September and it's implications is something of a game of Russian Roulette, they are putting everything on the line and there's no fallback plan possible. They've made sure of that themselves.



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