According to the preview, Superman barely survives a nuclear blast ala Dark Knight. Sigh. There goes any chance of my buying this series.

Don't give up on the book yet, Read it there is more going on than you think. That is all i will say as i don't want to spoile it for you...

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According to the preview, Superman barely survives a nuclear blast ala Dark Knight. Sigh. There goes any chance of my buying this series.

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Superman/Wonder Woman #7 Preview.

Both Kal and Diana had just gotten into a fight with Zod and Faora in issue #6. The fight was pretty intense. Zod and Diana got their butts badly beaten by a Apollo enhanced Zod/Faora when Apollo enhanced their power levels so they could defeat Kal and Diana. Both were badly hurt.

Obsiously, Kal was a bit too drained of solar energy to bust himself and Diana out of the nuke prison they were in. That is why he barely survived a nuke. He wasn't exactly at full power when it went off.

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According to the preview, Superman barely survives a nuclear blast ala Dark Knight. Sigh. There goes any chance of my buying this series.


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Superman/Wonder Woman #7 Preview.

Both Kal and Diana had just gotten into a fight with Zod and Faora in issue #6. The fight was pretty intense. Zod and Diana got their butts badly beaten by a Apollo enhanced Zod/Faora when Apollo enhanced their power levels so they could defeat Kal and Diana. Both were badly hurt.

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Obsiously, Kal was a bit too drained of solar energy to bust himself and Diana out of the nuke prison they were in. That is why he barely survived a nuke. He wasn't exactly at full power when it went off.

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We can't claim it is because of that, that they barely survived their ordeal. However it is a possibility and it does put a caveat when we try to understand what happened. Only the writer knows what he wanted to portray.

Knight is correct though, on the fact that IF Superman was severly depleted of his solar energy reserves, as it appeared was after round 2 with Zod and his gal, that his invulnerability would have been greatly lowered from normal levels,,,

We know was running low on energy, from having to face them earlier, and part of plan to have Zod cut loose on them, in order to build up energy beam to blast back with...

Apollo messed that up, as he supercharged Zod and friend back to super selves!

So if he was at normal levels, should have just punched out of reactor, or else took it no problem,, but he did survive point blank even less than normal self, so was a good durability showing!

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Knight is correct though, on the fact that IF Superman was severly depleted of his solar energy reserves, as it appeared was after round 2 with Zod and his gal, that his invulnerability would have been greatly lowered from normal levels,,,

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We know was running low on energy, from having to face them earlier, and part of plan to have Zod cut loose on them, in order to build up energy beam to blast back with...

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Apollo messed that up, as he supercharged Zod and friend back to super selves!

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So if he was at normal levels, should have just punched out of reactor, or else took it no problem,, but he did survive point blank even less than normal self, so was a good durability showing!

What Knight said make sense. I agree 100%. However, was it the writer's actual intent? We will have to wait and see.

There's nothing going on. Really, not a thing.

Nah, I don't think so. I wasn't a fan of the writing to begin with. This isn't the first time I've disagreed with Charles Soule's portrayal of Superman. He's a definite miss with me. 

Well seems like you had you mind made up before you even posted here so why post???

Many Superman fans liked it though when DC had John Byrne give him defined/hard set of limitations as to his strenght/physical factors/durability, so maybe they are doing that again in newest reboot?

And he has strenght to lift/move the earth, and can take a large nuke, so how is tht getting watered down so much?

He was previously weakened to the point that he couldn't smash, jump, heat vision, super-breath, or fly out of a nuclear smoke stack.

That he was still able to survive that nuke is testimony to his amazing durability, not a mark against it.

_rc

How do you know this?  Do you work for DC?  If so, cool.

_rc

Now, if it was the STAS Superman going up against a nuke, it'd be time to play a funeral dirge for the Man of Steel.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

He posts because he has a right to, and people like knowing his opinion, myself included.

Who are you, again?

Imagine the Hulk, Sentry, or Surfer -- hell imagine Galactus -- taking that nuke after being drained to the point that they can't even bust or leap out of a simple concrete silo -- what'd be left of them?

_rc

What does who i am have to do with anything. Answer the Question.If you were not going to consider changing you mind why post here.

Makes plenty, Think about it.

Not questioning is right to post, He has every right to that. Just questiong why he would???

No, it doesn't. You said read on as there was more going on. I read on, and there wasn't. It a filler issue at best. So, I can't have an opinion about what I've read? You know my mind before I do? No the best way to introduce yourself.

Why are YOU posting?

Um, I'm not the one you asked that question of.

Please try to keep us all straight.

We're not trying to gang up on you, but if you say something several people feel is out of line, maybe that should tell you something.

We're here because we all enjoy Superman, and if someone doesn't like something done with the character and says so, they're speaking from the heart. It's not something to go after them on.

Not all that's done with Superman is automatically good, and this message board is here for people to discuss all sorts of things related to the character and related characters, good and bad.

I myself was just thinking recently about Supergirl becoming a Red Lantern, and how I'm on the verge of dropping the book. That reminded me of what happened back in the pre-Crisis days, where she went thru a major period of the writers just not knowing what to do with her. (At one point I think they even made her an actress on a soap opera in her secret I.D. of Linda Danvers. Yeah, that kind of schedule would work with her being Supergirl...NOT.)

Eventually, they killed her off in the Crisis. Now, they again don't seem to be able to give her anything to do and still be "Supergirl". It's like watching Donna Troy become a Darkstar all over again, and we all know how that went.

Obviously, I'm not satisfied with how they're handling the character. Does that make me a bad guy or a hater? NO! I really LIKE the idea of Kara Zor-El and her being Supergirl. I just wish they'd do better with the character.

A lot of people want the same for SuperMAN, and I can't say I'm not one of them.

You know, sometimes your loyalty to a character means you can say you don't like where the writers, editors, and suits are taking him/her.

I agree with Sethno. Darrylb, I also don't want you to feel everyone is jumping on you, but most of the guys here have been posting for years. I've come on here since late 2003. It seems like a long time, but there are many posters on the Superman board, who were here before me. We often don't agree with each other, but the posters who stick around do so because this is a comfortable environment.

Telling liheibao (a well liked member) not to post because you don't like his opinion is disrespectful and unnecessary. Phrase your arguments better.

I think Bruce Timm disliked Superman enough to make us legitimately worry over STAS surviving a nuke's blast if he was operating at full strength!

That was exactly how it went down. Apollo was looking for revenge on Kal, Superman trounced him pretty severely.. using the Sun against Superman was a bad bad idea. Di and Kal were having a rough time with Zod and Faeora (always spell her name wrong) so Diana had mystical armor made that gave them an advantage. It looked like they were going to win but then Apollo turned around and super charged Zod and Fae with as much energy as Kal had gotten to defeat Apollo.

After the severe beating they were tossed into the nuclear well of doom. Kal wrapped Di in his cape and took the majority of the blast. I thought it was pretty wild, he depleated the very last of his reserves to survive and protect Diana an was reduced to what looked like a 6 month old corpse. But once he got some sunlight he was able to help fight off the last of their leftover foes and get Diana to safety an THEN himself.

They've been playing up Kal's lack of real combat training in the book so far, so despite his physical superiority he has a lot to learn from the Amazon, an that lack of training is why he just can't beat out Zod who's as capable an concomitant as any warrior AND nearly on par with Kal for pure power.

Pull List: Fantastic Four: random limited series. But when it comes to traditional Big Two books, the FF is all you really need, even when the book isn't at it's best it's the World's Greatest Comic Magazine. Stan said so.

they need to remember in the DC that Superman powers are derived from accessing the Sun as a Solar energy source, but also due to Gravity/mass/density, as there is really no legit reason why he should ever become fully human like, as even depleted energy reserves wise, would have that gravity/density thing going!

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Imagine the Hulk, Sentry, or Surfer -- hell imagine Galactus -- taking that nuke after being drained to the point that they can't even bust or leap out of a simple concrete silo -- what'd be left of them?

Personally i think the idea that they were "drained" is a massive stretch. They were beaten up sure, but not drained - can Diana even be drained of energy to the point where he is more human than Kryptonian in powerlevel in the same way that Supes theoretically can? I dont see any reason to assume she was drained, and thus less durable, based on the fact that she didnt break out of the reactor either.

Soule just doesnt seem to write people like Superman/Wonder Woman (what i would call top tiers) at a particularly high level. Earlier in the series Superman seemed to be pretty well occupied by the task of lifting a relatively small ship out of the water and Diana showed signs of, if not strain, effort in catching a small, falling jet. When super-charged/sundipped by Apollo Superman said he felt like "he could bring this whole mountain down around them", and though he did qualify it with "with a single finger" its not really the planetary scale powerup you might expect from previous showings.

That is though how the powers of Super,am function, being that he is a living solar battery...

He had been engaging Zod and his gal for awhile, had fought Apollo off, and was part of the plan was to have Zod just cut loose on him, in order to have that energy charged up to blast back on them with!

Plan went well, until Apollo decided to grant Zod and his gal "sun dipping", and kal was beaten down by charged up Zod, but even then Zod mentioned still read hard to kill him off!

he was to drained and beaten down to even try to break out of reactor, or lead, HV , so was forced to take the Nuke flush in the face...

Great durability feat, as few beings can take an explosion like that when full powered up, mucj less really wealened state!

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That is though how the powers of Super,am function, being that he is a living solar battery...

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He had been engaging Zod and his gal for awhile, had fought Apollo off, and was part of the plan was to have Zod just cut loose on him, in order to have that energy charged up to blast back on them with!

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Plan went well, until Apollo decided to grant Zod and his gal "sun dipping", and kal was beaten down by charged up Zod, but even then Zod mentioned still read hard to kill him off!

Yeah I remember all this...

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he was to drained and beaten down to even try to break out of reactor, or lead, HV , so was forced to take the Nuke flush in the face...

Nowhere was it mentioned that he was drained. Was Diana "drained"? They had both just endured a hellacious beating. Thats all that was indicated. They prevented him from healing quickly by putting him indoors (consistent with the rather unusual approach to Superman healing and extreme sensitivity to sunlight in this arc) but its not like he was halfway to being Clark Kent.

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Great durability feat, as few beings can take an explosion like that when full powered up, mucj less really wealened state!

It wasnt a bad showing because nuclear explosions shouldnt be something to scoff at but theres no indication that he was weakened in the sense that is being argued here.

To argue that him not breaking out of the reactor proves he was drained implies that WW must have been drained also - and thats never been how her powers worked.