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I have been rewatching some of the Smallville episodes on TNT (they run quite frequently). I did not watch the show during its initial run.

In my opinion, the show did an almost reverse "jump the shark" move (only know 1 other show that did this).

1) The Early years - there were the early episodes that centers around Smallville, Clark, Lana, Cloe, brooding Lex, and which almost every single problen was derived from the Meteors. Most of these episodes bore me to death.

2) Oliver Queen's addition - Lana gone, Locations moves from Smallville, larger suport case, more "supers", introduction of Lois, some global intrigue, etc. I find these episodes so much more fun and I relaly liked the Oliver character.

There probably was a middle period where Lana and Lex were kind of on their way out and the series was trying to find its footing (gradually improving).

anyway, that's my take would be interested in hearing other people's feelings.



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Paste Pot Pete 

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The weirdest thing about the show was that Smallville was this tiny farm town, but you could commute to Metropolis from there.

Never mentioned the hours and hours the characters had to spend in traffic on the highway.


PPP





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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


I though that the actor that portrayed young Clark did a really nice job, in fact, I would have much more preferred Superman Returns to actually have used Tom Weiling as the new Superman, launching him from TV to Movies!

He had a feel for Supes, and had a built in quite large fan base to take with to the Movies!

Also think the actor that did lex would have been much better suited than current one chosen, and could also use that actress who played Kara to hit movies running with!


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Knight


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    I have been rewatching some of the Smallville episodes on TNT (they run quite frequently). I did not watch the show during its initial run.


I watched seasons 1-3 and part of 4 in it's initial run before quitting due to the same ol' thing happening in an endless cycle of a similar story in almost every episode then rinse and repeat. I was able to watch seasons 1-10 a few years ago. And it's amazing this show managed to last 10 seasons of mostly crap.


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    In my opinion, the show did an almost reverse "jump the shark" move (only know 1 other show that did this).


Smallville was the absolute KING of jumping the shark, breaking every rule imaginable and not in a good way. It too often hurt the story and characters.


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    1) The Early years - there were the early episodes that centers around Smallville, Clark, Lana, Cloe, brooding Lex, and which almost every single problen was derived from the Meteors. Most of these episodes bore me to death.


Yeah, they were a bit boring. But at least back then we had some good stuff there too. Clark speaking to Lana's parents in the grave with Lana there (good character moment), the ever so spunky Chloe who knows she can never have Clark, Lex wanting to prove he's not his father's son...


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    2) Oliver Queen's addition - Lana gone, Locations moves from Smallville, larger suport case, more "supers", introduction of Lois, some global intrigue, etc. I find these episodes so much more fun and I relaly liked the Oliver character.


I liked Oliver as well even though I still can't see that actor as Green Arrow, but rather the Flash (Barry Allen). Still, I always wished Smallville had included Batman in place of Ollie. It would have made so much more sense.


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    There probably was a middle period where Lana and Lex were kind of on their way out and the series was trying to find its footing (gradually improving).


Am I the only one who *Shudders* hated the Lex/Lana relationship?


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    anyway, that's my take would be interested in hearing other people's feelings.


I admit there are a lot of stuff I liked about Smallville. Christopher Reeve's occasional appearance with the actual Superman movie music playing in the background were some of the best episodes ever...

And I liked the final Lana episodes where she gained super powers with that heart breaking ending. I thought that was really good. Allison Mack herself directed one of those episodes (the one where Lana gets powers).

I liked the Green Arrow side of things, but thought it was odd he'd have a relationship with Chloe. *Scratches head*

After watching every season I can say that, overall, I didn't really like the show. Nothing wrong with a good story, but there's nothing wrong with some good action too. Sadly, the writers wrote 98% story and 2% action in nearly every episode. We just didn't get to see Clark ever strut his stuff and get into some really good fights and action. I wanted to see what Clark was capable of with those powers, but we rarely saw it. Sure, there were some great stuff like Clark's fight with Zod, even Clark Vs. Jonathan was a good fight. But we never got to see Clark do some ACTION! Some real action.

All we saw was Clark rescue this person, save this person, fight and win against this baddie in 2 seconds...

Then season after season after season after season of Clark constantly pining for Lana (For every step forward, there was two steps backwards), Clark letting his father die, Clark getting married and she dies then he SMILES in the very next episode as if he had never gotten married (where are the consiquences in this show?), not even trying to reconcile with Lex after Lex made an honest mistake, various Super-Heroes showing up before their time, Clark in that black get up *Shudders*, Clark killing then preaching it's not ok to do that, etc, etc...

Ok, sorry for the rant.

I'm done now.






It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


I liked the interplay between Lois and clark in the show, and liked the Doomsday appearances!

Think DC /warner prevented batman from ever appearing, as they wanted to keep Christian Bale as bats for movie only!

What did you think about the jR Justice league they had in the end of series?

Just needed WW/GL to actually show up!

Liked Lex coming back at the end, but did NOT like how they treated darkseid!


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thuggernaut




It wasn't really a Superman (or Clark Kent) show, IMO.

It was a Buffy/Dawson's Creek hybrid that used the trapping of Superman.

The whole thing was a giant c--- tease, if you'll pardon my language. It's whole shtick was alluding to some greatness (that the viewer should breathlessly know about), but never attaining greatness.

Similarly, I don't really consider Lois and Clark a legit Superman show. It was simply using trapping of Superman as a chick-flick Moonlighting type deal.

The Superman Franchise would have been better off without both those shows. Both were big nothings.


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Knight


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    I liked the interplay between Lois and clark in the show, and liked the Doomsday appearances!


I like the Clark/Lois relationship too, even though she found out his secret too fast.

Too bad the final fight between Clark and Doomsday was a complete joke.


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    Think DC /warner prevented batman from ever appearing, as they wanted to keep Christian Bale as bats for movie only!


Yep. And I will never understand those reasons.


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    What did you think about the jR Justice league they had in the end of series?


I liked it, but it was too soon to form a team IMO.


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    Just needed WW/GL to actually show up!


They never did. I would have loved to have seen that.


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    Liked Lex coming back at the end, but did NOT like how they treated darkseid!


You and me both.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Sethno


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When did Clark ever kill on Smallville?



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Knight


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    When did Clark ever kill on Smallville?


I forgot which episodes...but here they are.

Clark attempted to kill Brainiac (only to find out later, he had failed). Still, the intention was there.

Clark also killed Titan (I think that was his name). Now, some may see Titan being punch up high then landing on his own stake as a, "Clark didn't really kill him" kind of thing, but Clark DID kill him. Clark's fight with Titan resulted in Titan's death and Clark went into that fight with the sole purpose to kill Titan.

Clark also killed Bizarro Clark after Bizarro Clark masqueraded as Clark for a time by using Bizarro's weakness to (I think) Blue Kryptonite.

Clark also "accidentally" killed a Super powered assassin who had been experimented on my Lex Luthor. I forgot his name, but Clark blasted him with Heat Vision and he died. If I remember correctly, it was one of Lois's former boyfriends who was a soldier then his death was faked so Luthor could experiment on him.

Then he preaches to the Legion of Super-Heroes, "We don't kill! There is always a better way!" I agree with this statement, but where was this mentality with Titan? Brainiac? Bizarro? Clark proved himself a hypocrite. He did one thing then said another.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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JesusFan


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Actually enjoyed both shows, as while they had their bad moments, both didi show us a Superman who was really powerful, and inspired others while fighting against bad guys!


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JesusFan


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He chose to NOT kill off Doomsday, and all those other ones that you mentioned were not due to him directly killing them off, but that they happened to in a sense get themselves killed off!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Darkseid is just too big of a story that tell right on the small screen, it needs the full treatment and graphics of a movie to give it justice...

And still think that warner/DC should have Brainiac and lex as main foils in next movue, and have darkseid show up as a teaser right at the end, to have a reason to form the JLA!


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Knight


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    He chose to NOT kill off Doomsday, and all those other ones that you mentioned were not due to him directly killing them off, but that they happened to in a sense get themselves killed off!


So, Brainiac attempted to kill himself? Weird, Clark clearly pushed him into that electrified fence.

So, Titan killed himself? Clark didn't fight him with the purpose to kill him? Interesting.

Reasons can be found for the above, but Clark very clearly DID kill Bizarro Clark. There's no getting around that.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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JesusFan


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was he even really 'alive" though?


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Gernot 

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Both shows kept Superman's name (if not the \S/ in front of people's eyes and in the forefront of their minds. Superman also attained a good-sized female audience and youthful audience it might NOT have without these shows.



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Ragnarok




I'd point to the first 2 or 3 seasons as the best. Even though the redundant meteor rock infected villain got old very quickly, Bo Duke as Pa Kent really resonated with me. I thought he did a fine job on what really is one of the most important and underexplored aspect of Clark's life. The man who made him Superman in moral character and fiber. Looking back that is one of the things that bugged me about Kostner's portrayl in Man of Steel. The man who would let children drown and committed suicide to motivate his son just didn't do it for me.

Once Bo bought the farm (hehehe) the show went down hill quickly.


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Brainiac was a machine. Not flesh and blood. Clark destroyed a renegade toaster. Nothing more.

Bizarro? LANA destroyed him, not Clark.

Titan? Can't really recall the character.

Lois's old boyfriend who'd been "enhanced" by Lex? Can't recall how he ended, but I'm certain Clark didn't kill him.

The claim he did sounded so strange, with your having Brainiac and Bizarro in the list, I'm suspecting you got something wrong in the other two cases too.



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