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Ancient One 

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Mmmmm.

That's not what I've heard.


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Marvel Man


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    Mmmmm.



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    That's not what I've heard.


Exclusive: DC's New Superman Jon Kent Comes Out as Bisexual:
https://www.ign.com/articles/superman-bisexual-lgbt-jon-kent-dc

And then, CBR: DC's New Superman, Jon Kent, Comes Out as Bisexual.
Newsarama: The new DC Superman comes out as bisexual.
Bleeding Cool: Jonathan Kent, The New Superman, Out As Bisexual From DC Comics.
Or The Beat: DC reveals Superman Jon Kent is bisexual.




"After all, though our yesterdays may be different, we all share the same tomorrow". Gene Luen Yang, Superman Smashes the Klan.
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Ancient One 

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Yeah, I know what Tom Taylor has said (I got the story from his Twitter).

But I hear that's going to change, probably once he's left the book.


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JesusFan


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looks like PC diversity running amok, thank God at least Clark was not shown divorcing Lois and leaving her for Jimmy!


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JesusFan


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Change to being straight on gay?


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Knight


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If that does change, then Jon's romantic relationship that he had with Saturn Girl will have to be retconned. For now, he's bisexual.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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Knight


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    looks like PC diversity running amok


I'm all for diversity, but I really hate how DC and everyone else seems to go for diversity simply for diversity's sake. It really is getting out of hand and it's ruining everything.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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firstbornson


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    Looks like the rumours were on the money.



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    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/11/arts/superman-comes-out.html?searchResultPosition=1





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Ancient One 

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    If that does change, then Jon's romantic relationship that he had with Saturn Girl will have to be retconned. For now, he's bisexual.


Well...It's already kind of a retcon, if the intention of Jon's creator, and whichever writer and editor were behind the Saturn Girl affair was to present a straight character. A retcon that retcons nothing, you might say.

It'll be interesting to see if they ever allow him a physical relationship with a female ever again. If they DO, then fair enough, he's bisexual. But if they don't, then they can call him whatever they want until the cows come home but the reality is he's for all intents and purposes a gay man.


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JesusFan


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I am all for diversity, but not at the expense of ruining established continuity and characters just to shoe horn in an agenda!


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Knight


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    Well...It's already kind of a retcon, if the intention of Jon's creator, and whichever writer and editor were behind the Saturn Girl affair was to present a straight character. A retcon that retcons nothing, you might say.


It's not revising anything about Jon as a character, just adding a new layer to him. An unnecessary one, but a new one.


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    It'll be interesting to see if they ever allow him a physical relationship with a female ever again. If they DO, then fair enough, he's bisexual. But if they don't, then they can call him whatever they want until the cows come home but the reality is he's for all intents and purposes a gay man.


Do Bi's in real life suddenly become Gay if they marry a man? No one, that I know of, can change how their brain works. Either they are gay, bi, lesbian or straight. At the end of the day, that Bi is still Bi regardless if he chooses to predominantly be with a man. He can still watch a TV program and whistle every time a woman walks by with a bikini on. That isn't going to suddenly change. Same with Jon. He's bi and unless his relationship with Saturn Girl gets erased, he's going to remain that way.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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JesusFan


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So just what will he now officially be?


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Knight


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...





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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JesusFan


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What is it so mandatory that Jon becomes gay or bisexual, is being shown as a straight man so evil today then?


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JesusFan


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Why the big need to have Jon now be shown as gay or Bi, is straight now a bad thing?


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JesusFan


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Would there have been so much fan fare if they would have announced that Jon likes only girls?


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Knight


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    Why the big need to have Jon now be shown as gay or Bi?


Likely the obsessive need to DIVERSIFY everything. And it's getting to the point now that it's everywhere and ruining everything.


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    Is straight now a bad thing?


And yeah, if you pay attention to people's opinions and the way they are treated. A countless number of times I've seen people are against this exact sort of thing. They have a right to their own opinion but they get derided, flamed and booed just for having it.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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R. I. P. Kato: A good friend to one who has so few
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JS


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No one was suggesting that being a straight man is evil. It’s just that Jon is not required to be straight.


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Daveym 

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    It's not revising anything about Jon as a character, just adding a new layer to him. An unnecessary one, but a new one.


I agree. Though the problem as I see it is that because Jon is a character with such a turbulent history and has been badly managed since Brian Bendis had his way with him and wrenched him away from his still new audience, that this new layer doesn't do him any favours. It just adds another kink in a character that keeps being pulled away from whatever was left of his audience... after Bendis, the Legion, and now being made the star of Action Comics, they needed to fully establish him and give him badly needed stability and roots before they threw this latest shift on his audience. Such as it was.

The character was one I thought had a lot of value back when Dan Jurgens and Peter Thomasi introduced him just a few years ago as a ten year old just come into Superman's world, today though he is barely relatable on any level... as we just don't know him anymore.









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swmcbf

It sounds like a publicity stunt to get a temporary bump in sales.

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Given the failure the of D.C. agenda with the recent revamps I see a new Crisis event coming. They may have painted themselves into a corner because returning Jon to straight or does away with him altogether will be seen as cowardly even if the status of the universe changes. The character has seen a lot of change since his inception though they do not seem to be good for the most part. The aging him up to 17 took away one of the most interesting aspects. Does he have full Kryptonian power or about half since his mother is human?


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"After all, though our yesterdays may be different, we all share the same tomorrow". Gene Luen Yang, Superman Smashes the Klan.
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Marvel Man


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    I am all for diversity, but not at the expense of ruining established continuity and characters just to shoe horn in an agenda!


Jon Kent was barely an established character and being bisexual is not something agaisnt previous stories. How is this ruining the continuity and the character?




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Marvel Man


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    Would there have been so much fan fare if they would have announced that Jon likes only girls?


No, because most of the characters in comics are cisgender heterosexual persons. Because most of the characters in any fiction are cis-hetero. The thing about diversity is precisely that, showing that not everyone has to be cis-hetero and it's not wrong.

And, on the other hand, if bisexuality was so accepted by society, there would not have been so much fan fare either. Even John Timms, the artist of Superman: Son of Kal-El says something similar in the IGN interview: "As we have seen Jon grow up in front of our eyes, it will be interesting to see him not only trying to find himself as a person but a global super hero in the complex atmosphere of modern life. On the other hand, I hope this kind of thing will not be seen as a big deal in the future."




"After all, though our yesterdays may be different, we all share the same tomorrow". Gene Luen Yang, Superman Smashes the Klan.
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Marvel Man


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    Likely the obsessive need to DIVERSIFY everything. And it's getting to the point now that it's everywhere and ruining everything.


How is Jon as a character (or Clark, or the experience of reading a Superman comic-book in any way) ruined by Jon being bisexual?




"After all, though our yesterdays may be different, we all share the same tomorrow". Gene Luen Yang, Superman Smashes the Klan.
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Marvel Man


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    Why the big need to have Jon now be shown as gay or Bi, is straight now a bad thing?


And what's the bad thing about Jon being Bi. Why we needs him to be straight?




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The Silver Surfer


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


I'm not a fan of this, but for a different reason.

I don't think it is some woke agenda. I think it is a gimmick to sell comics, by making the news.

Which is why I think Bi was chosen. If people don;t like it, they can just have him date exclusively women, and simply never mention it again.


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JesusFan


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Think its Dc comics hedging their bet on this, as they did not go "all the way", as that would mean Clark gets divorced and dates Jimmy, and by having jon dating girls before, can always have him swing that way if pressure hits them too much!


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JesusFan


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isn't he suppossed to in time become even more powerful then Clark due to his human/Alien Physiology?


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