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Billy


Member Since: Sat Apr 18, 2020


I don’t mind at all that DC is trying to make a quick buck, which is exactly what this is, but are the so artistically bankrupt that they can’t just create a new character? Why not give them a proper back story and really delve into what it means to be gay in their universe? Superman and Robin have shown no inclination towards homosexuality until DC decided to shoehorn this in. They will get some publicity and sell a few more comic books for a few months, but this just seems to be in poor taste.


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


This is exactly how i feel on this, as DC can bring in a brand new character, with no prior history, and have them be the poster boy or girl for lesbian and gay superheros!


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Marvel Man


Member Since: Mon May 04, 2020



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    I don’t mind at all that DC is trying to make a quick buck, which is exactly what this is, but are the so artistically bankrupt that they can’t just create a new character? Why not give them a proper back story and really delve into what it means to be gay in their universe? Superman and Robin have shown no inclination towards homosexuality until DC decided to shoehorn this in. They will get some publicity and sell a few more comic books for a few months, but this just seems to be in poor taste.


Jon Kent is a character created in 2015, less than 6 years ago. And if we think that he is a teenager since december 2018, less than 3 years ago. So he is practically a new character with very few stories behind. And even less stories if we are only talking about his stories as a teenager.

And then, he is NOT gay, he is BIsexual. That means that any previous relationship with a girl is true, but he can also feel attracted to a male. This does not contradict any previous story. At all.




"After all, though our yesterdays may be different, we all share the same tomorrow". Gene Luen Yang, Superman Smashes the Klan.
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Billy


Member Since: Sat Apr 18, 2020


Ok, I’ll accept that, but why didn’t they do this when he was Superboy? Simply put, the cash grab wouldn’t have been near as big. Superman is a much bigger name. This is all political theatre by DC and it just looks like they are desperate. I’m embarrassed for them.


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Daveym 

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Location: Lancashire
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008




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    They will get some publicity and sell a few more comic books for a few months, but this just seems to be in poor taste.


I don't know about poor taste, to me it comes over as tokenism if anything, and not well thought through as it takes existing b&C-list characters who are established and known to the readership, but also effectively disposable in commercial terms - DC Comics loses nothing whatsoever in taking a risk with these particular characters.

Tim Drake is a character who slipped out of reader conciousness decades ago, and he became as redundant when Damien Wayne arrived as Terry Sloan did when Michael Holt arrived as the modern Mister Terrific. Jon Kent on the other hand is a hodge-podge of a character who successive writers treat as putty - making him Bi all of a sudden is really no different that Brian Bendis' bizarre decision to age him up overnight, then pack him off the next night to live in the 31st century. The next writer coming onto the Superman books could have him convert to Hinduism and no reader would object at this point, because that is how strained this character has become...

I will add Alan Scott to this as this is the one I do actually have a problem with. The Alan Scott of 2011's Earth-2 was a new character, seperate to the classic Alan, the Alan Scott that DC have recently decided to convert had absolutely no hints of being homo-sexual. He married Molly Mayne! What would have made some sense, if they had to have someone from the Justice Society, is Doctor Mid-Nite. Charles McNider and his successor were both bachelor's and had never married. But it is clear that someone at DC decided the company needed representation, and putting in some thought, and planning it correctly, were not on the agenda.

On balance I suspect the reality is that DC aren't confident enough to actually create a new and interesting gay/Bi male character. One of the last times a writer tried this was the one-dimensional 'Bunker' in the 2011 Teen Titans reboot, and that is possibly the example that has lingered in the editorial memory. When deciding it needed a better representation the publisher went for existing stock characters, and characters who were disposable. And I think the choices are a shame as there are better, and more logical candidates out there, than Tim Drake and Jon Kent. Having the more visible and prominent Damien Wayne come out as Bi or gay would have been better representation that Tim-third Robin on the right-Drake...



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The Silver Surfer


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Superman's Bisexuality is absolutely a sales gimmick. They are hoping people will pick up the issue where he comes out, and keep buying.

But, what in comics is not a gimmick? At least by the big two these days.

I have long believed that all this stuff people claim is some "agenda" is just them trying to find more readers, to varying degrees of success.


That all having been said.

Jon IS Gen Z, and 1 in 6 adult members of Gen Z self-identify as LGBTQ, with the "B" the most represented.




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liheibao


Member Since: Thu May 07, 2009
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    And I think the choices are a shame as there are better, and more logical candidates out there, than Tim Drake and Jon Kent. Having the more visible and prominent Damien Wayne come out as Bi or gay would have been better representation that Tim-third Robin on the right-Drake...


You're correct, but I believe what DC wanted, at least with Jon Kent, was the buzz of controversy, which is par for the course with Superman. The Death of Superman's legacy, at least with some of the higher-ips, seems to be that unless it's a fundamental change, people won't take an interest in Superman. So we kill him (but we an only do that once), have him rescind his American citizenship, reboot him every 5 years, dissolve his marriage, and now, his son is bi-sexual. DC sees the Batman property different, and I sincerely doubt they would want to disturb that money, I mean, those characters, with Tim Drake as the exception, since with Damian, as you noted, he's the odd man out.




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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Still seems like just bowing into an agenda and PC pressure!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


I think that this comes across as pandering and giving into agenda and PC climate, and think would be much better served to have actually present in comics gay and lesbian heros who are that way fron the get go, not shoe horned into it after continuity has established otherwise!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Just think what would have hit the fan if bruce or Dick now shown and confirmed to be fully Gay men!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


that depends if DC will be referencing any female relationships of his going forward though, ot just strictly males!


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


This is much worse then what Micky Mouse trying to shove down our throats under the guise of PC and agendas, as they are known to be flag bearers for the cause, much more so then DC is!


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Knight


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



Worse, there was no proper lead-up to the big reveal. Which is sadly the case most of the time when straight characters are suddenly turned into bi's, gays and lesbians. If the LGBTQ community want representation, fine. They can have it. But create original characters, please, and leave the straight ones alone. Representation for the sake of it is usually always forced and that's the wrong way of going about it.





It's interesting that a hero/villain performs one amazing feat, or use a power they haven't used for 20+ years, and that automatically propels them to a high status despite scans and evidence to the contrary. I don't know what is worse, selective feat picking that has only been done once or twice 20, or more, years ago or ignoring evidence from scans or the lack thereof. We need to stop putting our favorite heroes/villains on pedestals and start putting them where they really belong. But it's evident that people never will because they would rather accuse others of cherry picking feats, when they don't, and being 'morally superior' when they aren't. I guess being honest and as fair as possible only opens one up to being the target of childish accusations and fault finding by those who insist on acting petty and childish. What happened to a good debate between two civil, mature, adults?
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steve


Member Since: Tue Jan 06, 2015


kind of interesting given that in the '50s there were some who thought they were having a gay relationship...

not that I want to see it spelled out in the comics


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Do not make minor characters or side kicks all of a sudden now gay/lesbian, as that is pandering, but DC can make major and original characters such as Apollo and Batwoman


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JesusFan


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Or Miracle man and Miracle boy!


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JS


Member Since: Thu Oct 29, 2009


It’s really not that uncommon for someone to take a while to realize they’re gay or bi, and until then date the opposite gender because they think it’s what they’re “supposed” to do. Jon’s only previous relationship was with a telepath who has admitted to having a bad habit of psionically influencing others unconsciously. Who can say whether Jon’s feelings there were really his own, or whether he was only reflecting her feelings for him? Really, this is a guy who spent most of his formative teenage years trapped in a volcano. How is he supposed to know how his own sexuality works? He’s never had the opportunity to explore those feelings before this.


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FreeKyle


Member Since: Thu Nov 11, 2021


It’s sad and pathetic, and outside of a handful of activists, nobody likes it. Even people who are pro-gay and marriage don’t like it. I hope DC goes bankrupt.

The real Superman and DC ceased to exist ever since the New 52. Thank goodness for the old stories which can never be contaminated with disgusting agendas.


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