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fuggernaut


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In no particular order, the list of shame:


CLAIRE FOSTER: Superman does not need nor would he go to a psychologist for a host of reasons. There was no point even storywise to this character; nothing at all happened here.

MUHAMMAD X: making Supes check his privilege way back when. . .oy!

CIR-EL: worst supergirl ever.

IMPERIEX: was this even a character at all? As bad as Morrison's "Magggedon" from JLA. Just a big evil thing wannabe Galactus.

MANCHESTER BLACK: yep, he's a ridiculous character and I stand by it.

ENCANTADORA: I don't know what Kelly was going for here honestly. Whiff attempt at a sexy latina femme fatale.

RUSSIAN ZOD: huh? what even is this.

FATHER LEONE/MR ORR/ EQQUES: yes, all these junk characters from the abysmal "For Tommorrow" are on my list.






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Superman's Pal

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    CIR-EL: worst supergirl ever.

I think the backlash was double. DC canceled the Linda Danvers version who had her fans over a 10 year run, I guess to reclaim the name for another character. And Cir-El is introduced as Clark and Lois' daughter from the future who has come back in time to yell at her parents for being bad parents even though they aren't parents yet. I think the vitriol faded when she was revealed to not actually be their daughter, just some brainwashed clone, and died unraveling a plot by time maestro Brainiac 12.


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    IMPERIEX: was this even a character at all? As bad as Morrison's "Magggedon" from JLA. Just a big evil thing wannabe Galactus.

Doomsday is not a character, just a force of nature that figured into one good Superman storyline. Every appearance since then is a poor attempt to cash in on value that just isn't there.

Parallax is a similar force of nature, although much more lame in conception, who figured into one poorly written story that unfortunately had such a devastating effect on 10 years of Green Lantern mythology that he retains an undeserved share of power. He mostly shows up as a suit worn by other characters who need a power upgrade.

In the same way, Imperiex is a force of nature who figured into one mediocre story and wasn't memorable enough to have nostalgia for anyone. At least I don't think he ever appeared again.


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    MANCHESTER BLACK: yep, he's a ridiculous character and I stand by it.

People seemed to like him as some sort of master manipulator but I only ever saw him in one story so I'm not sure. Didn't he kind of act like John Constantine?


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    RUSSIAN ZOD: huh? what even is this.

Yeah, it was weird. Every Zod during the Post-Crisis era was some attempt to use the name but not make him Kryptonian. We had the Pocket Zod, Ghost Zod, R2K Zod and now Russian Zod.


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    FATHER LEONE/MR ORR/ EQQUES: yes, all these junk characters from the abysmal "For Tommorrow" are on my list.

But "For Tomorrow" is the intro for yet another new Zod, thus one apparently the actual Post-Crisis Kryptonian version who is then killed at the end of the story.

Father Leone was another counselor for an uncertain Superman. The whole modern take that Superman is a guy who isn't sure if doing the right thing is the right thing.


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The Silver Surfer


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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    People seemed to like him as some sort of master manipulator but I only ever saw him in one story so I'm not sure. Didn't he kind of act like John Constantine?


More or less, the point as to be a critique/deconstruction of the deconstruction era. He was supposed to be over the top and kind of ridiculous, because the pint was that deconstruction was over the top an kind of ridiculous.


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The Silver Surfer


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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    MANCHESTER BLACK: yep, he's a ridiculous character and I stand by it.


So youget the point of the character. He was supposed to be ridiculous. We was a cliche of the grim and gritty era, to critique the era of deconstruction.

The point of the character was that the whole desire to deconstruct the genre was ridiculous, and only bread its own predictable patters and talking points.


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fuggernaut


Member Since: Sat Oct 23, 2021



    Quote:
    The point of the character was that the whole desire to deconstruct the genre was ridiculous, and only bread its own predictable patters and talking points.


Yeah, I get it.

But Black is just too on the nose and too much of a strawman for me to give any credence to on any level. Add to that, I think the moral message of the vaunted Action 775 is *very* muddled and try-hard, but I suppose that's nothing new for comics.




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