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fuggernaut


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Poor ol' Dday is often derided as a non-character; which I suppose is true to an extent.

I believe Jurgens simply conceived of him as a Savage Hulk with some 90s jagged claws and nasty teeth thrown in for good measure.

BUT I think Ddays (original) design is a good one and quite memorable. Don't know why Snyder chose to discard the classic look in and use the generic looking thing from BvS.

And I think Dday was effective in DOS. It was kind of shocking and mysterious (at the time) that just some random beast would appear and murder Superman out of nowhere.

And I think "Hunter/Prey" was an awesome mini-series that gave a cool origin for Dday, satisfying rematch, and nice Krypton connection.

But that's where the character should have ended, really, as the concept had run it's course and could no longer have any real impact.


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Superman's Pal

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    Poor ol' Dday is often derided as a non-character; which I suppose is true to an extent.

I always say that and I'm not trying to be insulting, just realistic. A big strong guy popped up out of the ground and just started destroying everything. He was never really given a reason beyond instinct. He's like a shark. He's not even evil. And he was that way for so long that trying to mature him into a real character would feel jarring at this point. I'm not saying that a wild animal can't be used well in a story, but he's often been too much of the focus.


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    I believe Jurgens simply conceived of him as a Savage Hulk with some 90s jagged claws and nasty teeth thrown in for good measure.



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    BUT I think Ddays (original) design is a good one and quite memorable. Don't know why Snyder chose to discard the classic look in and use the generic looking thing from BvS.

Both when he was wrapped in the suit with one arm tied behind his back, and his eventual hairy/bony appearance, were more memorable than the LOTR troll we got in BVS.


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    And I think Dday was effective in DOS. It was kind of shocking and mysterious (at the time) that just some random beast would appear and murder Superman out of nowhere.

The lack of motivation is almost why it worked. It was just a natural disaster to be overcome. I always say that "Doomsday" the 6-issue arc was a well-paced and effective spectacle.


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    And I think "Hunter/Prey" was an awesome mini-series that gave a cool origin for Dday, satisfying rematch, and nice Krypton connection.

HP had a lot of hype, the rematch, they had to do it for the marketing. Stupid not to. I just was never satisfied with the story. I'm not sure why setting his origin on Krypton mattered, especially since he's not Kryptonian. Is that supposed to tie him to Superman more? And the cloning/evolution thing was interesting to a point, but when did he get the ability to resurrect from the dead? The end of the story seems to forget that according to the origin he needed a science guy to clone him in order to come back. But it just skips to he can resurrect. It wasn't explained well.

And now Superman has to resort to weapons since he is not powerful enough to stop Doomsday, and that's still not enough. He doesn't defeat Doomsday in this story, he has Waverider do it for him. It's the ultimate death that no one could come back from and yet he comes back. Which isn't the fault of HP, of course.

But it seemed like a final grab for the last of the hype surrounding the DOS event.


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    But that's where the character should have ended, really, as the concept had run it's course and could no longer have any real impact.

Every time he came back he seemed a little bit weaker. So I was never sure of the point.

I kind of like when Jurgens did the "Day of Doom" for what, the 10th anniversary, he actually didn't bring back Doomsday, but created a new villain.



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Daveym 

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He's a special effect. A memorable design as you point out, but one-note.

Some of the best stories with him have been with writers who try to move him on, Paul Cornell is a good example. But the problem with him is that as terrifying as he can (occasionally) be, you can only do 'Death of Superman' once.

When they created this character back in the early 90s I don't think anyone in the Superman office had any idea where he came from, they just needed a special effect to kill Superman. So like a lot of mysterious new villains of that era what you got was a special effect, an evil force that came out of nowhere and was seemingly invincible, unfathomable - Onslaught was an example of this type of character.

So I don't think they had an origin to begin with. When Dan Jurgens cobbled together a backstory for him in 'Hunter/Prey' he connected him to ancient Krypton, a curious backstory was revealed concerning a non-native to Krypton called Bertron who brought the fetus of what eventually evolved to be Doomsday, But to this day that strange origin has never been developed any further - Where did Bertron come from? Where did he come by this fetus that became Doomsday? Why base himself on Krypton? Who were the nameless Kryptonian's who assisted Bertron, and why?
There was a lot there that has been left unexplored. And at this point it probpbly doesn't matter...



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JesusFan


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Doomsday was best when had no back story, was just a mindless destructive force of nature!


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JesusFan


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DD should have had his swan song when he was crushed by Entropy during hunter prey storyline!


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Daveym 

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Perhaps he would have worked better if his origins had been kept a mystery.

When you look back to The Death of Superman and the following Reign of the Supermen what you see are two storylines that partially work by introducing main characters who are a complete mystery - a captive Creature breaks free of an underground chamber, goes on the rampage, and beats Superman to death with his bare hands. Four new Supermen appear in Metropolis, all with mysterious origins. When we watch the strange and disturbing Cyborg-Superman break into Cadmus and retrieve Doomsday's lifeless body we are teased by the mysterious Cyborg with the mystery of the creature... and when that issue ended, with a lifeless Doomsday floating through space, only to be shown coming back to like on that last page, it echoes some of the horror film tropes of the time - of Jason Voorhees' unkillable nature for instance. But as a scene it also hammers across the fact that this creature could be anything. Like Jason Voorhees It is a walking nightmare.

But they felt that Doomsday had to be explained. And while Hunter/Prey was a good satisfying story, its origin for Doomsday was a little strained for my liking. It was created on ancient Krypton, but it wasn't Kryptonian as far as we know. Despite this it is apparently powered by the sun, just like a Kryptonian. So what is it? Where did Bertron get the original test subject from...?

They never addressed these points, and in hindsight I do prefer the idea that he would have been best left ambiguous. An anomaly in the Universe...






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JesusFan


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Or that he was a mindless destroying force that someone like a darkseid had created, but found out was too powerful for even him to be able to handle!


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