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chen




I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.

Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.

Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.


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Mek




My repressed anime fan says 'Records of Lodoss War' at first glance, but I'm also thinking 'Ragnarok'-something.

(I know they haven't made a Valkyrie Profile anime yet, but Loki and Odin play a fairly interesting role in VP: Lenneth. Not sure about 'Silmeria' yet though, I should rent it from Blockbuster sometime soon)

> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.



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Crom




Your descriptions sound good, but the picture references I definitely don't like.

> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
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> Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.
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> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.


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Golem




> My repressed anime fan says 'Records of Lodoss War' at first glance, but I'm also thinking 'Ragnarok'-something.
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> (I know they haven't made a Valkyrie Profile anime yet, but Loki and Odin play a fairly interesting role in VP: Lenneth. Not sure about 'Silmeria' yet though, I should rent it from Blockbuster sometime soon)
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> > I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
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Garth




I would be very surprised if a character as central as Loki wasn't brought back at some stage. When and under what circumstances - who knows ?

As for Odin - I'm not so sure - the old fart's been gone a long time now and also there were his earlier lengthy absences. Just not so sure if we will be seeing him anytime soon.

As to the Loki you describe - dark good looks etc - why not ? I rather liked the "mortal equivalent" character that was Loki during the "lost gods" storyline - this guy wasn't exactly ugly as I recall.
I believe I recall the storyline you mentioned - if I remember it correctly Loki was certainly formidable in it.

Odin minus beer belly and whisky nose ? - sounds good to me - I also like the idea of him being at the "top table" with the cosmic powers etc. Taking your "ambassador" role a little further - how about pantheons elsewhere in he Multiverse ? - perhaps he could be a link between them and the Earth pantheons ?

Cheers

Garth



> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
>
> Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.
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> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.


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seeker




> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
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I agree pretty much with everything you said about Loki. About the ugliest though since he is a shapeshifter he can shif between those. Some gods might be uglier than humans, but I think only those who have either been greatly wounded in battle, very old, or are evil. Gods tend to look the part they play to a degree and evil ones would sometimes look evil. Of course, they can shape shift.
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Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.

This is the one thing I disagree with. I don't see why Odin should be at the cosmic gathering. Galactus has a vital role in the universe and it has been hinted that the Stranger does as well or at the very least is more active on a cosmic scale. Frankly, I have never seen anything that sets Odin so greatly apart from other skyfathers to warrent to a high posistion. Plus, if he has given up the post of skyfather to enter-semi retirement I don't think it would be proper for him to still attend offical meetings. Maybe if he met some of them on the side or in secret.


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Vidar




> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
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> Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.
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> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.

Good post. Loki’s character has drifted all over the place. Under Jack and Stan he was an evil weasel and later became more of a thorn under Buscema’s run. Subsequently it all went a bit rubbish, until Walt and to an extent DeFalco gave some sense of stability to the character, albeit quite differently. The AoV crossover was good and demonstrated how Loki would easily manipulate various top shelf villains as it should be. In terms of evil and scheming, Loki’s peers are Mephisto, Thanos, Hela, Pluto, Karnilla and even Dormammu - anything less is a plaything.

Odin under Stan, Jack and John was perfect though a bit of a raver. I’d like to see him with the Council of Gods and the cosmic big guns as you say – remember when he appeared at The Trial of Galactus and his testimony carried such weight based solely on who he was? That’s the way it should be.
Vidar


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chen




> > I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
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> I agree pretty much with everything you said about Loki. About the ugliest though since he is a shapeshifter he can shif between those. Some gods might be uglier than humans, but I think only those who have either been greatly wounded in battle, very old, or are evil. Gods tend to look the part they play to a degree and evil ones would sometimes look evil. Of course, they can shape shift.
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> Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.
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> This is the one thing I disagree with. I don't see why Odin should be at the cosmic gathering. Galactus has a vital role in the universe and it has been hinted that the Stranger does as well or at the very least is more active on a cosmic scale. Frankly, I have never seen anything that sets Odin so greatly apart from other skyfathers to warrent to a high posistion. Plus, if he has given up the post of skyfather to enter-semi retirement I don't think it would be proper for him to still attend offical meetings. Maybe if he met some of them on the side or in secret.
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Well having a vital role doesn't necessary corespond to power, in past issues Odin has shown feats that are on par as Galactus. Even if he doesn't have a official role I've always seen Odin as kind of a spokesperson for the Sky Fathers and his power alone should make the other Cosmic Abstracts atleast consider him in universal affairs kinda like the appearance of Zeus and King thor in that horrible Starlin storyline "The End" or something. They may not have been the primary power players but atleast they were there. Perhaps their roles could be the representives of the "divine" or mortal consciousness given life.

This is where I think DC does it better, they have no problem showing Zeus and High Father as peers too the Specter.


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Morningstar




> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.

I agree. One point on Odin's appearance, how Thor looked in "The Reigning" would be perfect. Huge and thick, but no sign of fat.


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dtstone01




> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
>
> Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.
>
> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.


I think you are spot on with Loki. It's always how I envisioned him. I never understood why a shape shifter would allow himself to be ugly if it wasn't necessary. And Loki in AOV was my favorite instances of Loki. Especially his dealings with the Red Skull, he really embarrassed Skull in Captain America. I also really liked him in the X-men annual and the Alpha Flight/X-men crossover. Claremont seemed to have a strong affinity for Loki. I'd actually be interested to see him take a run on Thor should the title become available after JMS finishes his run.

As for Odin, I somewhat agree. I have a feeling that JMS may not want to bring him back. I mainly say this because one of JMS's themes is that Thor is Asgard and Asgard is Thor. I don't see how that can be true if Odin is around. I'm sure someone else will bring him back eventually, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. When he does return, I don't necessarily want him to be G's peer, and too involved with cosmic stuff. I do prefer him powerful though. I'd like to see him very enigmatic, rarely seen. Only discussed and having his presence felt. The few times he is seen, they should be brief momentus occasions. I want to bring back more awe with the gods, especially the higher end ones. When Odin appears, everyone around, including most other gods, should be in total shock and awe. And for his enemies, fear and dread. I'd like the same for characters like Zeus or Surtur. Have those beings be totally out of everyone else's league, even Thor's.


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seeker





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> Well having a vital role doesn't necessary corespond to power, in past issues Odin has shown feats that are on par as Galactus. Even if he doesn't have a official role I've always seen Odin as kind of a spokesperson for the Sky Fathers and his power alone should make the other Cosmic Abstracts atleast consider him in universal affairs kinda like the appearance of Zeus and King thor in that horrible Starlin storyline "The End" or something. They may not have been the primary power players but atleast they were there. Perhaps their roles could be the representives of the "divine" or mortal consciousness given life.
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I pretty much dismiss "The End" as much as possible because I never understood why the Living Tribunal would want to call Earth's heroes into battle. Where were other skyfathers from across the universe? The Vishanti? The power of skyfathers is all over the place so I don't think it is power that decides. Why not a skyfather from the Kree galaxy or some other distant galaxy? It is problems like that you risk running into. Also, skyfather for the most part have shown only concern with their own realms and little interest outside it. I know Odin has been somewhat of an exception by seeking information about beings outside and it have been hinted that he had greater influence than other skyfathers it would take something great for me at least to consider him to be worth being part of the cosmic council.

> This is where I think DC does it better, they have no problem showing Zeus and High Father as peers too the Specter.

I don't know much about DC, but I assume you are referring to the Quintessence? I have never quite understood DC gods. They get their power from faith, but does not require direct worship though the veneration of whatever they represent still gives them power. I also question why Zeus instead of other gods such as Odin or Ra. Is he just more active in intersteller affairs?


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Fat Boy Judo




I'm sort of partial to Gaiman's version of Odin, from Seasons of the Mists. Odin was still portrayed as a significant being yet he was also limited alah myths. I liked the whole schemer aspect of him as well as his relative cool. It is sort of reminiscent of Odin from Simonson's run (alah Beta Ray Bill storyline to the Fafnir storyline), except he would be less imposing IMO b/c Ragnorok is over. I wouldn't mind him being more of a retired adviser type.

I loved Millar's version of Loki (except for the final issue). Schemer, troublemaker, anarchist... that would be cool.

> I'm pretty sure both Loki and Odin will come back, how they come back who knows but anyway I would love to see both Loki and Odin come back but much more evolved.
>
> Loki - Should be like he was in the Acts of Vengence storyline and the X-Men annual. He should be less cartoony evil and much more of a schemer, subtle, and intelligent. He should also be incredibly charming like he was to Storm, since it's so much easier to believe someone's lies when there charming and personable. There should always be doubt if Loki was involved in whatever scheme since he plays with peoples/Gods minds with ease. But finaly they should STOP drawing Loki as a hook nosed old geezer, he's NOT the God of ugly and like todays society it's so much easier to believe peoples lies when their good looking. Loki should have dark good looks in contrast to Thor's blonde buff look. Besides, even the ugliest God should make Brad Pitt look like dog meat.
>
> Odin - First get rid of the beer belly and whiskey nose. He should be regal and imposing and have an air of power even when entering a room. He should be mellow in age and much tempered, in past issues he was just as rambuctius and arrogant as Thor himself and could be quite petty. Perhaps Odin should be much more in the background and more concerned with Cosmic/universal affairs than just asgards well being. Plus he should be much more involved in cosmic decisions involving the other cosmic entities, he should be shown as a peer to Galactus and be at those Abstract "shindigs" that Galactus and even the Stranger is at most of the times. Plus I would love to see him as more of a Ambassador to the other Pantheons and have regular meetings with the other Sky Fathers on cosmic affairs.


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