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Can someone explain o me exactly how thor retunred to the world of the living? Did he use the Odinpower to just Will himself back? If so does that mean he cannot really die?

Also, has it ever been explained whatever happed to that sentient odinpower boy?

Thanks


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seeker


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    Can someone explain o me exactly how thor retunred to the world of the living? Did he use the Odinpower to just Will himself back? If so does that mean he cannot really die?

    Also, has it ever been explained whatever happed to that sentient odinpower boy?

    Thanks


Thor did not ever technically die. He survived Ragnarok, and he entered a slumber of sorts in a dimensional void. Dr. Blake used his connection to Mjolnir to open a doorway to that void disturbing Thor's sleep and letting him return to this dimension.

As to the odinpower boy, I assumed it merged with Thor once it's purpose was served.


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fearcalypse 

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    As to the odinpower boy, I assumed it merged with Thor once it's purpose was served.


At the end of Ragnarok, Thor said he felt him fading away. I'd like to think the Odin-Boy-Power still exist and is acting kinda like Cyttorak does for Juggy, giving Thor the power he needs for the situation he faces.






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Vartha





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    Can someone explain o me exactly how thor retunred to the world of the living? Did he use the Odinpower to just Will himself back? If so does that mean he cannot really die?

    Also, has it ever been explained whatever happed to that sentient odinpower boy?

    Thanks


Well the way I understand it, as mentioned below Thor was the last survivor of Ragnarok. In MORTAL terms he died, where in reality he just put himself on hold in the void of non-existance until he found a use for himself.
Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.

The Odin-power boy was just the physical embodiment of the Odin-force.
As ODIN's Asgard disapeared into the vortex of Raganrok so did the Odinforce leaving Thor with the Thor-force.
Remember Thor reinvented himself by going through the Trials Odin had to gain the Odin-power.

Think of the Odin/Thor-force as "Rune-Power" a Magical Norse version of the Power Cosmic. It becomes a part of the Asgardian KING and his lifeforce.
Each god worthy of the trials Odin and Thor had gone through would be able to control it, or thier own version of the "Rune-Power".

As Odin Created the now old Asgard and the nine worlds, HIS life force ran through it all, with the Raganrok, all that was erased leaving Thor with a clean slate to recreate HIS Asgard.


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Hatman





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      As to the odinpower boy, I assumed it merged with Thor once it's purpose was served.


    At the end of Ragnarok, Thor said he felt him fading away. I'd like to think the Odin-Boy-Power still exist and is acting kinda like Cyttorak does for Juggy, giving Thor the power he needs for the situation he faces.


Interesting idea, though I admit I'm not a huge fan of it. \:\) I wouldn't mind learning that the OdinBoy remade itself into Don Blake, thus bring Thor back from the void he had exiled himself into.

~Hat~


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Mek






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    Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
    So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.


See, that's the thing I have an issue with. So far, it hasn't been touched upon at all in the comics. You'd think that would be an important plot point later on down the line, especially with the way JMS began it.

It just reeks of this whole notion along the lines of 'If you say you don't believe in faeries, they die'. I know it's not exactly like it, but that's how it sounds to me.

Though maybe, especially with the way you put it Vartha, maybe it's not divine worship or anything that matters. Maybe it's just being ensconced in the public's eyes due to his tenure in the Avengers and people remember him as a hero. That heroism sticks with people and, given the current climate of the MU, maybe some ordinary citizens want a hero like him to come back.

There's a million different ways to interpret it, and sadly, I fear we won't ever get the definitive answer.



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Paul Sanders





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      Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
      So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.


    See, that's the thing I have an issue with. So far, it hasn't been touched upon at all in the comics. You'd think that would be an important plot point later on down the line, especially with the way JMS began it.

    It just reeks of this whole notion along the lines of 'If you say you don't believe in faeries, they die'. I know it's not exactly like it, but that's how it sounds to me.

    Though maybe, especially with the way you put it Vartha, maybe it's not divine worship or anything that matters. Maybe it's just being ensconced in the public's eyes due to his tenure in the Avengers and people remember him as a hero. That heroism sticks with people and, given the current climate of the MU, maybe some ordinary citizens want a hero like him to come back.

    There's a million different ways to interpret it, and sadly, I fear we won't ever get the definitive answer.


I'm just wondering, and maybe I'm just thinking aloud, that we don't necessarily need an answer. No offense, but we could see it very diferent ways, and it still serves the purpose of the story. It reminds me of certain parts of Star Trek Fandom who obsess about smaller details that really have no meaning (why do certain Klingons have ridges and some don't?)

I mean, I choose to see it as the power of Myth made flesh, that when the Gods are needed to save us, they will arrive, in one form or another. Whether that's by odin power, rune power, or just collecive belief of mankind, the mechanics of it don't really matter.

I don't know, just my two cents.

Paul Sanders


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Mek






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    I'm just wondering, and maybe I'm just thinking aloud, that we don't necessarily need an answer. No offense, but we could see it very diferent ways, and it still serves the purpose of the story. It reminds me of certain parts of Star Trek Fandom who obsess about smaller details that really have no meaning (why do certain Klingons have ridges and some don't?)

    I mean, I choose to see it as the power of Myth made flesh, that when the Gods are needed to save us, they will arrive, in one form or another. Whether that's by odin power, rune power, or just collecive belief of mankind, the mechanics of it don't really matter.

    I don't know, just my two cents.

    Paul Sanders


That's actually a really good point. Now that I think about it, it's probably a good thing it remains vague. If it has more of a personal interpretation, then well... it makes sense!

Yeah, I could get behind that.

And LMAO @ Star Trek. (I'm still stunned there's a canonical reasoning for why every alien in the OS are all bipedal and human-like)



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Iron Man Unit 007




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    I mean, I choose to see it as the power of Myth made flesh, that when the Gods are needed to save us, they will arrive, in one form or another. Whether that's by odin power, rune power, or just collecive belief of mankind, the mechanics of it don't really matter.

    I don't know, just my two cents.

    Paul Sanders


That's how I tend to see it too. People like to believe in a savior that will come in the time of greatest need. People remembered THOR as a hero and hoped for his return, but instead Civil War gave us CLOR. Then comes WWH and instead our savior as it were was the Sentry (oy...), then comes the Secret/Skrull Invasion and FINALLY the GOD OF THUNDER answers the call.

"He loves you..."
"He who?"
"God"

Nick Fury's response (which still cracks me up) "MY God has a HAMMER!"

Here's hoping that HULK remembers THOR's offer of friendship and that THOR stands ready when Hulk's son arrives on Earth soon. \:\)


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EcMan





You know, your suggested explanation is the most sensible one that I've seen. I wish they would go with it rather than leave it completely nebulous.

Though, at this point, that ship has probably sailed and no further explanation will come, so we'll just have to live with it.

-EcMan


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Vartha





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        As to the odinpower boy, I assumed it merged with Thor once it's purpose was served.


      At the end of Ragnarok, Thor said he felt him fading away. I'd like to think the Odin-Boy-Power still exist and is acting kinda like Cyttorak does for Juggy, giving Thor the power he needs for the situation he faces.


    Interesting idea, though I admit I'm not a huge fan of it. \:\) I wouldn't mind learning that the OdinBoy remade itself into Don Blake, thus bring Thor back from the void he had exiled himself into.

    ~Hat~

That would actually be a cool idea.


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Vartha





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      Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
      So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.


    See, that's the thing I have an issue with. So far, it hasn't been touched upon at all in the comics. You'd think that would be an important plot point later on down the line, especially with the way JMS began it.

    It just reeks of this whole notion along the lines of 'If you say you don't believe in faeries, they die'. I know it's not exactly like it, but that's how it sounds to me.

    Though maybe, especially with the way you put it Vartha, maybe it's not divine worship or anything that matters. Maybe it's just being ensconced in the public's eyes due to his tenure in the Avengers and people remember him as a hero. That heroism sticks with people and, given the current climate of the MU, maybe some ordinary citizens want a hero like him to come back.

    There's a million different ways to interpret it, and sadly, I fear we won't ever get the definitive answer.


Well It would being intersting if what Blake suggests about us simply having to believe or think of the Asgardians for them to exist, is found out by someone like Doom and having him cast some spell like Odin did with Don.


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swmcbf

Now that is an interesting thought.




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        Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
        So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.


      See, that's the thing I have an issue with. So far, it hasn't been touched upon at all in the comics. You'd think that would be an important plot point later on down the line, especially with the way JMS began it.

      It just reeks of this whole notion along the lines of 'If you say you don't believe in faeries, they die'. I know it's not exactly like it, but that's how it sounds to me.

      Though maybe, especially with the way you put it Vartha, maybe it's not divine worship or anything that matters. Maybe it's just being ensconced in the public's eyes due to his tenure in the Avengers and people remember him as a hero. That heroism sticks with people and, given the current climate of the MU, maybe some ordinary citizens want a hero like him to come back.

      There's a million different ways to interpret it, and sadly, I fear we won't ever get the definitive answer.


    Well It would being intersting if what Blake suggests about us simply having to believe or think of the Asgardians for them to exist, is found out by someone like Doom and having him cast some spell like Odin did with Don.



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Olorin





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      Can someone explain o me exactly how thor retunred to the world of the living? Did he use the Odinpower to just Will himself back? If so does that mean he cannot really die?

      Also, has it ever been explained whatever happed to that sentient odinpower boy?

      Thanks


    Well the way I understand it, as mentioned below Thor was the last survivor of Ragnarok. In MORTAL terms he died, where in reality he just put himself on hold in the void of non-existance until he found a use for himself.
    Also Don mentioned that people had been thinking about Thor, and as long as we keep thinking about Thor and the Asgardians, they would remain "anchored" into this reality.
    So until people really needed or wanted Thor to return, (the creation "CLOR" probably helped with that call) Thor awoke and left the Void of non-existance.

    The Odin-power boy was just the physical embodiment of the Odin-force.
    As ODIN's Asgard disapeared into the vortex of Raganrok so did the Odinforce leaving Thor with the Thor-force.
    Remember Thor reinvented himself by going through the Trials Odin had to gain the Odin-power.

    Think of the Odin/Thor-force as "Rune-Power" a Magical Norse version of the Power Cosmic. It becomes a part of the Asgardian KING and his lifeforce.
    Each god worthy of the trials Odin and Thor had gone through would be able to control it, or thier own version of the "Rune-Power".

    As Odin Created the now old Asgard and the nine worlds, HIS life force ran through it all, with the Raganrok, all that was erased leaving Thor with a clean slate to recreate HIS Asgard.


The way I understand it, and I might be wrong, is that the knowledge of the runes and the odinpower are two totally different powers. Whereas the Rune-power was gaining knowledge of the runes. You get this from sacrifice (the eyes to Mimir's well, hanging on the tree). The odinpower was odin's power. His own power, combined with the power of Vili and Ve, his brothers. One can have the odinpower, without having the rune power, and vice versa.

When Odin died, the odinpower went to Thor. But if I remember correctly, didn't it leave Thor because Thor was using it improperly (ie, during Jurgen's run, the whole Thor: Lord of Asgard storyline). A god doesn't have to go through the trials to keep the odinpower.


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