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Ragnarok




It seems to me that Bill is on the verge of getting himself off the B list of heroes. Horseface aside, his back story and power really seem to appeal to readers judging by the number of projects involving the character. So, what's holding him back? He needs an arch enemy. Think about it. Thor and Loki, Superman and Luthor, Batman and Joker, Cap and the Red Skull, etc, etc

So, who would be a good choice? Bring back Alpha Ray from the Oeming mini? Some other cosmic like Terrax or a resurrected Morg? An entirely new villain? Or maybe an unknown figure from Bill's past? Throw in your two cents here and let's see if we can't find Bill a foil.

Personally, I think the villain should have some ties to the Korbonites but also be able to tie into Bill's Asgardian connection. I'm thinking a traitor to the Korbonites. Just as Surtur sought out Malekith and Loki as allies in the prelude to Walt's Ragnarok he might have had an agent among the Korbonites. One who betrayed his own people, heck his own solar system, in exchange for promised power. As a twist, maybe he could even be one of the scientists/government agents responsible for the election of the champion. It may even turn out the gruesome appearance Bill now sports was unnecessary, but this character's demented nature drove him to do it as a cruel jest. His familiarity with Bill's cyborg physiology combined with whatever dark powers granted him by Surtur could make him quite formidable and a real threat.


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Mek








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    So, who would be a good choice? Bring back Alpha Ray from the Oeming mini? Some other cosmic like Terrax or a resurrected Morg? An entirely new villain? Or maybe an unknown figure from Bill's past? Throw in your two cents here and let's see if we can't find Bill a foil.


For once, I'm not going to disagree with ya, Ragnarok. Hah ha.

In all seriousness, I do agree he needs an arch-enemy. The thing is, Bill's kinda been satellite with several peoples' rogues gallery, like Loki, the Wrecking Crew and a few cosmic baddies from the Silver Surfer.

The only real archenemy he has right now is Stardust and to an extent, Galactus. Even then, we don't know how long Stardust will be around (as a herald and otherwise... I forsee that Stardust won't be around past 'Godhunter', folks) and if he/she/it would make for a compelling archfoe against Bill.

Alpha Ray I think went into the same dimension as Asteroth, though I could see Alpha Ray returning, albeit as some mutated half-cyborg, half-demonic creature.

My advice would be to go a more original route and give him his own enemies once in a while instead of having to rely on standby/catch-all antagonists. That might help, I think.



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seeker




The Korbonites had their own pantheon of gods. The priests were enraged that Bill was being worshipped as one. If the Korbonite gods are real and still exist might they have issues with Bill associating with alien gods or depriving them of worship. If they are real would not Bill be pissed that they did nothing while the Korbonites suffered? I could see interesting possibilities. Bill has been answering the god question a lot recently. The Skrulls thought the prophecy from Kly'bn was an answer to why he had not done more to protect them. How would Bill feel when confronted by his own native gods?




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Ragnarok




I hadn't considered that option, but it certainly does open up new possibilities. What happens to a Pantheon when there planet is destroyed? I think the most intriguing aspect of Bill is that he straddles the mythological and science fiction. The two genres have so much in common, with some folks even calling Star Wars or Star Trek modern myths, that it's natural to bring them together. Great suggestion. Anyone at Marvel listening????



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Hatman





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    The Korbonites had their own pantheon of gods. The priests were enraged that Bill was being worshipped as one. If the Korbonite gods are real and still exist might they have issues with Bill associating with alien gods or depriving them of worship. If they are real would not Bill be pissed that they did nothing while the Korbonites suffered? I could see interesting possibilities. Bill has been answering the god question a lot recently. The Skrulls thought the prophecy from Kly'bn was an answer to why he had not done more to protect them. How would Bill feel when confronted by his own native gods?





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Predabot




I agree with most of this, except the part where the villain had a hand in creating him, it feels a bit cliché with current Marvel. ( see: wolverine, for the most obvious example)

Other than that, I would say that ASTEROTH is an excellent foil for him. Already she may have done just as much, or MORE to destroy his people than Galactus ever did. And with how potentially powerful she/IT is, then I see no problem for it to return, even tho one small aspect of it was destroyed.

Plus... she's got that bad-girl look down pretty good... heh heh heh... ;\)


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    It seems to me that Bill is on the verge of getting himself off the B list of heroes. Horseface aside, his back story and power really seem to appeal to readers judging by the number of projects involving the character. So, what's holding him back? He needs an arch enemy. Think about it. Thor and Loki, Superman and Luthor, Batman and Joker, Cap and the Red Skull, etc, etc



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    So, who would be a good choice? Bring back Alpha Ray from the Oeming mini? Some other cosmic like Terrax or a resurrected Morg? An entirely new villain? Or maybe an unknown figure from Bill's past? Throw in your two cents here and let's see if we can't find Bill a foil.



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    Personally, I think the villain should have some ties to the Korbonites but also be able to tie into Bill's Asgardian connection. I'm thinking a traitor to the Korbonites. Just as Surtur sought out Malekith and Loki as allies in the prelude to Walt's Ragnarok he might have had an agent among the Korbonites. One who betrayed his own people, heck his own solar system, in exchange for promised power. As a twist, maybe he could even be one of the scientists/government agents responsible for the election of the champion. It may even turn out the gruesome appearance Bill now sports was unnecessary, but this character's demented nature drove him to do it as a cruel jest. His familiarity with Bill's cyborg physiology combined with whatever dark powers granted him by Surtur could make him quite formidable and a real threat.





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sheridan




thor's cast of villains are largely unique to him, with a few exceptions (absorbing man, wrecking crew, loki, for example). in addition, a lot of his villains tend to job in other titles. i don't think having BRB square off against thor villains would help much. in addition going back to galactus or asteroth might simply be viewed as a retread of earlier material, and not garner much additional interest beyond BRB's base.

i think BRB could use someone mainstream to fight....a tie in back to sutur or someone else could be the back story.

mandarin comes to mind. he might like the asgardian magic qualities of stormbreaker, and go after BRB b/c he's kinda a technological being. it could later be revealed that mandarin is fronting for sutur, who's promised him some power or other. this approach might pull in iron man readers.

speaking of iron man, he could be an arch enemy. of course, that's pretty part and parcel for him right now, but BRB could carry thor's grievance forward (or iron man may go after BRB the way he tried to w/ thor).

regardless of how BRB is handled, it will be a delicate balance w/ thor back in the picture. since he's a thor clone, it might be tricky to integrate him into the mainstream w/o taking away some of thor's thunder. heh...








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Vartha





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    The Korbonites had their own pantheon of gods. The priests were enraged that Bill was being worshipped as one. If the Korbonite gods are real and still exist might they have issues with Bill associating with alien gods or depriving them of worship. If they are real would not Bill be pissed that they did nothing while the Korbonites suffered? I could see interesting possibilities. Bill has been answering the god question a lot recently. The Skrulls thought the prophecy from Kly'bn was an answer to why he had not done more to protect them. How would Bill feel when confronted by his own native gods?

And if the Korbinite gods do exist and they See Bill as he is now powered by the Asgardians what will they say or think?



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Mek





That would actually make for a really cool story in of itself.

You're onto something here!



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Chen


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    I hadn't considered that option, but it certainly does open up new possibilities. What happens to a Pantheon when there planet is destroyed? I think the most intriguing aspect of Bill is that he straddles the mythological and science fiction. The two genres have so much in common, with some folks even calling Star Wars or Star Trek modern myths, that it's natural to bring them together. Great suggestion. Anyone at Marvel listening????


I agree, what Bill needs the most is a foe that is both worthy and his own. For the most part he has fought Thor's foes and as we all know what makes a great hero is a great foe. Plus Bill is unique in that he does straddle the Mythological and Science fiction more so than Thor.





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bd2999





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      So, who would be a good choice? Bring back Alpha Ray from the Oeming mini? Some other cosmic like Terrax or a resurrected Morg? An entirely new villain? Or maybe an unknown figure from Bill's past? Throw in your two cents here and let's see if we can't find Bill a foil.



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    For once, I'm not going to disagree with ya, Ragnarok. Hah ha.



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    In all seriousness, I do agree he needs an arch-enemy. The thing is, Bill's kinda been satellite with several peoples' rogues gallery, like Loki, the Wrecking Crew and a few cosmic baddies from the Silver Surfer.



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    The only real archenemy he has right now is Stardust and to an extent, Galactus. Even then, we don't know how long Stardust will be around (as a herald and otherwise... I forsee that Stardust won't be around past 'Godhunter', folks) and if he/she/it would make for a compelling archfoe against Bill.


Alot of writters seem to ignore Stardust which is a shame, he is a pretty cool character all things considered. I am not sure if he would make a great permanent antagonist, but you never know. I hope they dont do away with one of the cooler heralds out there. I would be hard pressed to see how you kill something like that anyway.


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    Alpha Ray I think went into the same dimension as Asteroth, though I could see Alpha Ray returning, albeit as some mutated half-cyborg, half-demonic creature.



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    My advice would be to go a more original route and give him his own enemies once in a while instead of having to rely on standby/catch-all antagonists. That might help, I think.





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Volstagg jr





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    It seems to me that Bill is on the verge of getting himself off the B list of heroes. Horseface aside, his back story and power really seem to appeal to readers judging by the number of projects involving the character. So, what's holding him back? He needs an arch enemy. Think about it. Thor and Loki, Superman and Luthor, Batman and Joker, Cap and the Red Skull, etc, etc



    Quote:
    So, who would be a good choice? Bring back Alpha Ray from the Oeming mini? Some other cosmic like Terrax or a resurrected Morg? An entirely new villain? Or maybe an unknown figure from Bill's past? Throw in your two cents here and let's see if we can't find Bill a foil.



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    Personally, I think the villain should have some ties to the Korbonites but also be able to tie into Bill's Asgardian connection. I'm thinking a traitor to the Korbonites. Just as Surtur sought out Malekith and Loki as allies in the prelude to Walt's Ragnarok he might have had an agent among the Korbonites. One who betrayed his own people, heck his own solar system, in exchange for promised power. As a twist, maybe he could even be one of the scientists/government agents responsible for the election of the champion. It may even turn out the gruesome appearance Bill now sports was unnecessary, but this character's demented nature drove him to do it as a cruel jest. His familiarity with Bill's cyborg physiology combined with whatever dark powers granted him by Surtur could make him quite formidable and a real threat.





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