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Carlos


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Seeing these preview of the first issue of Dark Reign: Young Avengers. I have some questions, specially in the theme of the way of talking about this Enchantress and about this change in her body.

Do you believe that really is Amora?

In case it is Amora. What do you believe that can have happened to her to finish in this way?

Can she have used a charm on herself to stop suffering and not worrying about anything of her past?

Wasn't supposed that she is very capable of speaking in human terms due to the time that she was going living between mortals?


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Mark




Easily the worst pseudo-shakespeare speach I've had the misfortune of reading. It's utter rubbish. How did this get past the editor?


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rychehitman




According to this Marvel article...

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6809.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_Dark_Reign~colon~_Young_Avengers

The Enchantress: "His (Melter's)girlfriend, sort of, who claims she's from Asgard but who can't handle Asgardian speech patterns and is frighteningly offhand with her magic."

According to this Newsarama interview with the writer she IS the real deal!

NRAMA: Enchantress?

MB: Enchantress is your standard Asgardian goddess mixed with Paris Hilton. She's very sexual. And we come to find out in the book that Enchantress and Melter are lovers.

NRAMA: And what are her powers?

MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.

On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html





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Mark





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    Easily the worst pseudo-shakespeare speach I've had the misfortune of reading. It's utter rubbish. How did this get past the editor?


And look, I spelled speech, speach. Serves me right for getting worked up about what is simply society's inevitable and continuing descent into a black hole of ignorance and stupidity.


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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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    According to this Marvel article...



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    http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6809.NYCC_~apos~09~colon~_Dark_Reign~colon~_Young_Avengers



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    The Enchantress: "His (Melter's)girlfriend, sort of, who claims she's from Asgard but who can't handle Asgardian speech patterns and is frighteningly offhand with her magic."



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    According to this Newsarama interview with the writer she IS the real deal!



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    NRAMA: Enchantress?



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    MB: Enchantress is your standard Asgardian goddess mixed with Paris Hilton. She's very sexual. And we come to find out in the book that Enchantress and Melter are lovers.



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    NRAMA: And what are her powers?



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    MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.



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    On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.



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    http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html



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I know and I see this, but I´m begin to have doubts about if really is Amora and the last line is a thing that I posted some months ago. There are things that I continue thinking the same but there are other things that now I see them in a different way.


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Predabot





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      Easily the worst pseudo-shakespeare speach I've had the misfortune of reading. It's utter rubbish. How did this get past the editor?



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    And look, I spelled speech, speach. Serves me right for getting worked up about what is simply society's inevitable and continuing descent into a black hole of ignorance and stupidity.
If you notice in the preview, one of the other Dark Young Avengers tell Enchantress that "not good enough!" with regards to her Asgardian-speech.

And the writer mentions in the interview that the Enchantress has a hard time getting the asgard-speek right. Even tho' he's said it's supposed to be the real Enchantress, I kind of get the feeling there's something more to it.

Could be he was trying to throw out a "red herring" like Joe Q does sometimes, and she's not ACTUALLY the real Enchantress, or it could be that there's some twist to her character ( maybe caught in between mortality and godhood, somehow?), even if she is the real Enchantress.

Either way, I'll probably pick it up. This looks pretty cool. \:\)


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swmcbf

I dont think so-




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    Seeing these preview of the first issue of Dark Reign: Young Avengers. I have some questions, specially in the theme of the way of talking about this Enchantress and about this change in her body.



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    Do you believe that really is Amora?



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    In case it is Amora. What do you believe that can have happened to her to finish in this way?



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    Can she have used a charm on herself to stop suffering and not worrying about anything of her past?



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    Wasn't supposed that she is very capable of speaking in human terms due to the time that she was going living between mortals?


-I believe the young avengers motif of having ties,but not the obvious ones to the avengers will be the case again.




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Concordant






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    MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.



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    On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.



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    http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html

At the end of the Skurge/World Tree debacle Amora seemed to be left with little to live for. I wonder if she may have merged with her human host to give herself a fresh start...

C.





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Togashi


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


Cornell's the writer and he implies she's fake. Brooks is the artist and says she's real. I'd go with Cornell being right.


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EcMan







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    Do you believe that really is Amora?


When this series was originally announced I thought Enchantress would turn out to be Lorelei in a classic "little sister makes trouble for big sister" thing. But the dialogue suggests that it is a wannabe Asgardian not a real Asgardian. Or at least was not raised in Asgard. Could the new Enchantress be a daughter of Skurge and Amora, abandoned and raised on Earth? It'll probably be something like that with a tie to the original Masters of Evil.

-EcMan



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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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        Easily the worst pseudo-shakespeare speach I've had the misfortune of reading. It's utter rubbish. How did this get past the editor?

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        And look, I spelled speech, speach. Serves me right for getting worked up about what is simply society's inevitable and continuing descent into a black hole of ignorance and stupidity.
      If you notice in the preview, one of the other Dark Young Avengers tell Enchantress that "not good enough!" with regards to her Asgardian-speech.



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    And the writer mentions in the interview that the Enchantress has a hard time getting the asgard-speek right. Even tho' he's said it's supposed to be the real Enchantress, I kind of get the feeling there's something more to it.



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    Could be he was trying to throw out a "red herring" like Joe Q does sometimes, and she's not ACTUALLY the real Enchantress, or it could be that there's some twist to her character ( maybe caught in between mortality and godhood, somehow?), even if she is the real Enchantress.



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    Either way, I'll probably pick it up. This looks pretty cool. \:\)


Who knows, I doubt that it is Amora really (basically for her speech and teen body), but if she is, it is evident that it must be much more on it, something that would need to be explained, in order that someone as the Enchantress have ended on this way and more, knowing that the asgardians and Asgard have returned and one hasn't seen her too lately from her return.




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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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      MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.

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        On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.

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          http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html

        At the end of the Skurge/World Tree debacle Amora seemed to be left with little to live for. I wonder if she may have merged with her human host to give herself a fresh start...



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    C.



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This could be a good possibility for her current status




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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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    Cornell's the writer and he implies she's fake. Brooks is the artist and says she's real. I'd go with Cornell being right.


Is very probable, I agreed with you




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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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      Do you believe that really is Amora?



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    When this series was originally announced I thought Enchantress would turn out to be Lorelei in a classic "little sister makes trouble for big sister" thing. But the dialogue suggests that it is a wannabe Asgardian not a real Asgardian. Or at least was not raised in Asgard. Could the new Enchantress be a daughter of Skurge and Amora, abandoned and raised on Earth? It'll probably be something like that with a tie to the original Masters of Evil.



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    -EcMan


It would be another possibility, but it is not necessary to reject the theme of which she might be Lorelei complicating the life of her older sister or probably the thing of a lost daughter of Amora could have more personal implications.

At least, it would be more coherent, something logical and convincing that the fact that she is the real Amora with a new life or a situation in which she has seen involved and which has provoked her current situation.




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atalkingdog




and all the others? are they just relaxing?


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Vartha





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      MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.

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        On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.

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          http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html

        At the end of the Skurge/World Tree debacle Amora seemed to be left with little to live for. I wonder if she may have merged with her human host to give herself a fresh start...



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    C.



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We've seen the hosts at the feet of the Asgardians, granted Balder was in Destroyer, but I would think once they were out that was it.

On the other hand Amora IS the Enchantress so I guess that would be possible.



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Einsiedler




After Odin's battle with Seth, the Dark Gods stormed Asgard and the Grand Vizier hasn't been seen since. Odin replaced him with a new Grand Vizier, who turned out to be an alien sorceror working for a Thanos clone...

Since the Vizier didn't die during Ragnarok, he wasn't restored.


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Carlos


Location: Premia de Mar, Barcelona, Spain
Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008



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        MB: You'll have to wait to see that. But she is the Asgardian god Enchantress. She's the only one on the team that has a past in the Marvel Universe that people could look up. Everyone else is new, and you'll kind of learn more about them as time goes on. And you'll learn where she's been and what's been going on with her.

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          On one hand I´m happy to know and have confirmed that the Enchantress of the New Young Avengers is the real deal and not a new Enchantress. On the other hand I feel strange though interesting to see her in a group with people, younger that her, the normal thing would be that she was the leader, but this will confirm that the leadership thing is something that not interested her. Finally it is possible to say that Amora really has returned.

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            http://www.newsarama.com/comics/020920-Brooks-Young-Masters.html

          At the end of the Skurge/World Tree debacle Amora seemed to be left with little to live for. I wonder if she may have merged with her human host to give herself a fresh start...

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    We've seen the hosts at the feet of the Asgardians, granted Balder was in Destroyer, but I would think once they were out that was it.



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    On the other hand Amora IS the Enchantress so I guess that would be possible.


It would be normal, Amora is capable of many things, something like that, in my modest opinion, it would be almost miraculous, but I continue believing that this woman who is with these new Young Avengers cannot be her, and if she is, it needs a great explanation that solves this point.




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