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Poltargyst


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Let us say that the mighty Thor is engaged in battle 'gainst a villian most foul. Let us say that said villian is able to disarm Thor, causing Mjolnir to fall to the ground. Let us say that the fight carries the hammerless Thor some distance from Mjolnir. Can Thor cause Mjolnir to return to his hand? I'm envisioning Luke Skywalker using the force to cause his lightsaber to return to his hand. Can Thor do it with Mjolnir?

I want to say he can't, because there were probably times in the 60's when he was pressed by the 60 second rule and needed to get to Mjolnir fast, and he couldn't just call it. But it seems like he SHOULD be able to call it to him. Anyone got any scans to that effect?


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    Let us say that the mighty Thor is engaged in battle 'gainst a villian most foul. Let us say that said villian is able to disarm Thor, causing Mjolnir to fall to the ground. Let us say that the fight carries the hammerless Thor some distance from Mjolnir. Can Thor cause Mjolnir to return to his hand? I'm envisioning Luke Skywalker using the force to cause his lightsaber to return to his hand. Can Thor do it with Mjolnir?

    Can he summon Mjolnir without Mjolnir? I am confused by the last question. But the answer is yes. The hammer is enchanted to return to his hand. Usually this works after he throws it but he can call it. I am not sure what the limit is on that or if it has been done before offhand. He has to focus a little to do it though, a little will. So if he is in an intense fight there may or may not be time.

    I want to say he can't, because there were probably times in the 60's when he was pressed by the 60 second rule and needed to get to Mjolnir fast, and he couldn't just call it. But it seems like he SHOULD be able to call it to him. Anyone got any scans to that effect?


Meh, it depends. I am sure there are alot of examples like that but you need to understand too that was device to create tension. So if he could just summon it back what was the point of having the thing in the first place. The two were not all that compatible honestly.




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Chen


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When he throws Mjolnir it will automatically return to his hand with no thinking, but it seems when he has to call for Mjolnir Thor has to concentrate. It's pretty inconsistent though, "technically" Mjolnir should only return when thrown but there have been times when Thor has called on Mjolnir to return. Those times it's usually chalked up to Thor and Mjolnir being almost like person or that Thor is Mjolnir's master and the hammer will do whatever he commands.



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....Mjolnir returns to the same spot where Thor throws it. If for some reason Thor was displaced, he has to mentally call mjolnir to his new location. Sometimes it is instinctive, sometimes he has to concentrate, depending on the writer.


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Actually in handbooks in comics it has always said that Mjolnir always returns to Thor's hand. I don't know who wrote that in Wiki or wherever but it has always been that Mjolnir must return to Thor's hand. The same way that it says Storm Breaker must return to Bill's grasp and how Gungnir must return to Odin's hand. Just think about it, Thor throws Mjolnir get's distracted and moves from his spot and say has to fight someone else, your telling me Thor has to mentally command Mjolnir to return to his hand? What if he can't? Mjolnir will return to the exact same spot it was thrown and if Thor's not there to catch it what happens? Will Mjolnir just drop or will it continue to circle the planet until it runs out of forward kinetic energy or until Thor commands it to stop and return to his hand. It would also make Thor a stationary target if he has to stay in the same place or he has to will Mjolnir to his hand if he takes a one step away from his former spot. Either way it has been shown in both ways still one makes sense and would work in Thor's favor while the other does not.

I think though the question was if Thor could mentally command Mjolnir to come to his hand if it was just stationary and say laying on a table. Which we have seen Thor be able to do.



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Norvell


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Mjolnir is mentally bonded to Thor, and thus it obeys his mental commands. Although it is rarely done, Thor can command Mjolnir to do some crazy tricks, such as chase down a fleeing opponents or strick multiple targets in one throw.

When Eric Masterson first "lifted" Mjolnir, he wasn't actually worthy. Thor was calling it back, giving Masterson the appearance that he was lifting it as it returned.


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...which was reprinted in one of those anniversary issues or annual, I can't be certain, given the volume of comics I have, and how busy I am with work (can't rummage through all of those comics)... but it clearly states that Mjolnir returns to the same spot where it was thrown, and that Thor can somehow control it's flight.

The fact that it doesn't work for you (or doesn't make sense) is really neither here nor there. Like I said, it returns to the same spot, and like I also said, he can command his hammer's flight (or summon it) if he is somehow displaced. It does not always return to his hand. How else can you explain how Thor was hit by mjolnir at the back (one of those Marvel Team-up issue with Spidey vs the Black Abbot, or some cult)? The Juggernaut once rode mjolir to hit Thor (it didn't return to his hand). Yes, most of the time it returns to his hand... that's because Thor can control it's flight. Sure he can fight multiple opponents even without his hammer, and he will find a way to get mjolnir, not because his hammer automatically return to his hand...it's really a combination of fighting skill, and the fact that he can control the hammer's flight (like how he can somehow control it's flight while grasping the thing).

And about the original post, I already answered the original poster in the affirmative, and there really is no doubt, Thor can summon the hammer, the same way he can control it's flight, etc.

Anyway, tomato-tomAto, whatever floats your boat. I can't really get into this discussion. But if I find that back-up feature explaining how Mjolnir works I will just post scans here.


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...and if I can find it I can post them for you I have almost every issue from JIM#83. Perhaps your thinking of issue #400, like I said it's in the wording even way back from JIM #83-91 Thor or the caption would state that Mjolnir must return to it's master. It wasn't until issue JIM #92 when Thor states that Mjolnir must always return to his hand and is surprised when it doesn't because Loki tricked him into filming a movie and Mjolnir is attracted to magnetized Uru chains that was binding Loki lol. Like I said it has been shown in both ways, with Handbooks and scenes in actual comics stating that Mjolnir must return to Thor's hand like Thor's famous battle with Zeus but it has also been shown the other way too like you said if the hammer was enchanted to return to the same spot and the Juggernaut took a ride with it it's not like all Thor would do is is take a step over and command Mjolnir to make a 90' turn and miss him. Like I said it's semantics and probably a combination of both, personally I don't think Mjolnir flies straight into Thor's grasp it ain't that precise, I think it just returns to the general vicinity he's in and if he grabs it great if he get attacked from behind then it'll just land near him and he can summon it over too him. But like you said it really doesn't matter.



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For example, IMHO, the whole "worthiness" thing, scrap it. NO ONE other than Thor, unless it's Odin or some other blood-line previous King of Asgard should be able to weild Mjolnir. Period. The hammer should always return to Thor's hand even if he throws it in New York and suddenly somehow gets teleported to another DIMENSION. The hammer ALWAYS should return by its own voilition or by the mental command of Thor. I think he actually willed Mjolnir to do something like that before anyway. It should be clarified that the true power of the hammer is not in the hammer, but in Thor. Thor only uses the hammer to better focus HIS power. WOW. Now, there's a novel thought. Without Thor, Mjolnir is just another hammer. These are just a few "updates" if you will, on how, IMHO, the Hammer of Thor should be regarded. Afterall, Thor is the God of Thunder not the God of Mjolnir. The hammer should just be a hammer. Thor is the power. Let's see Thor develop his own power without the hammer and let's not let the hammer be a crutch......or a cross....


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Norvell


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It was originally stated that Mjolnir returns to the spot from which it is thrown, and perhaps this remained so until Stan Lee left. However, in later runs, it was affirmed that Mjolnir returns to Thor's hand. Thor stated the nature of the enchantment when he bluffed Loki with a threat of decapitation.


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Grav


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I think the current trend is that Thor can summon the hammer. I can't recall any moment recently in the comics, but it happens pretty regularly in AEMH cartoon. I think that's a good indicator on how Marvel currently views the relationship between Thor and Mjolnir.

With any luck, they'll define a few of these little things with all the Thor hype and they'll stick for a few years (at least).




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MjolnirsPower


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He can always call Mjolnir to him. He doesn't employ the ability often.

One instant I can thin of was in Walt's run. Thor was after Malik(spellin) and hte Casket of Ancient Winters. He gets dropped into a pit. Mjolnir got left behind. He calls it to him and Mjolnir does just that returns to his hand. Through the rock it was left laying on top os.




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