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Superboy-Prime


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Now I've never been a huge video game guy. I always hated how the Hulk was portrayed in these Capcom fighting games because he was always shown to be smaller than Juggernaut (which always infuriated me). Not to mention that this game is what truly sparked the whole Juggernaut is more stronger than the Hulk debate in the 90's.

Anyways, I bought the XBox360 more for my daughter and picked up Mortal Combat vs DC Universe so we could play out the Captain Marvel vs Superman rivalry (yes, she is a freak like me). Yesterday we picked up Marvel vs Capcom 3 and strategy guide(because she loves Jean Grey as the Phoenix and loves looking at the stats of the heroes and villains). So as I was looking through the guide I noticed how powerful both the Hulk and Thor were. And looking further, I noticed that they were the two most powerful in the entire game (next to the final-boss Galactus) and great rivals for each other to battle it out. So here are some stats that should make Hulk and Thor fans happy.

Vitality: This is how much the character can take before being knocked out.

Thor is ranked number 2 in the game with 1,250,000 points (only behind the Sentinel at number 1 with 1,300,000). This is great because Thor's warrior spirit keeps him fighting on no matter the odds.

Hulk is tied for 3rd (with Capcom characters Haggar and Tron) with 1,200,000 points. But what the Hulk lacks against Thor in vitality he makes up with super armor, in which, when he is grounded, he can take a hit and walk through it without falling back (he is the only character in the game that has this ability). This makes the Hulk extremely dangerous when he gets close.


X-Factor: This is the damage and speed this character brings to your triple or double team when you have a certain number of power bars (1-3 plus), the more bars, the more damage. I'm only listing damage.

Thor on level 3 plus brings in 220% of damage to your double/triple teams which he is tied for 2nd with the Sentinel in the entire game. This makes Thor a great teammate to have.

Hulk is tied for 1st at 230% with Iron man (who should be a great support character with his tech) in the game. Hulk damage is, of course, second to none.


Strengths and overall:
Thor is a great in-close character but is also awesome at range, as he should be. With his vitality and combos, etc. he is by far, one of the best and most feared in the game. He only has a little lag time, which is true to the character because Thor was never the fastest guy on the battlefield. The God of Thunder shines just like he should.

Hulk is THE in-close character in the game who can deliver the most damage consistently with every maneuver he has in his arsenal. Sure some specials like Akuma's "Raging Demon" is the games most deadly finishing Hyper combo. But more often than not, the Hulk will beat anyone in the game if they fight him on his terms. When it comes to hit and be hit, he will be the last guy standing. The strategy guide says it best; "Complete with incredible power that sets the standard for strength."

So finally a game where Thor and Hulk fans can both be happy and fight it out and see who is truly the best.






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fnh




I got the game this weekend as well. I'm liking this new Hulk. He's much better in this game and previous ones. He's seems much faster and there is no "stun" when they hit his super armor

Thor's attacks seem the slowest out of all the characters though. I haven't figured out how to use him correctly yet but I love his command throw. Very useful.

Love the game though. Hopefully they'll keep adding new characters


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MjolnirsPower


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OK First. Hulk is not a match for Thor in the comics, never was. In fact Thor was brought into Marvel to be far more powerful than the Hulk. Hulk fans for some reason especially couldn't stand the idea of Thor being more powerful. But his strength is equal to stronger depending on the Hulk's state at the time, he was more durable, and has Infinitely greater power, Thor is simply a few level Higher than the Hulk.

The "rivalry" you speak of never existed in Thor fans eyes. That is a thing that was invented completely by Hulk fanboys who have always wanted Hulk to be Galactus level. When the guy isn't even on Surfer's level.

Second this is a fighting game, Anyone can beat Anyone. Zero is one of the sickest and most unbeatable characters in the Game, at least in my hands.




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    OK First. Hulk is not a match for Thor in the comics, never was. In fact Thor was brought into Marvel to be far more powerful than the Hulk.


How can't Hulk be a match for Thor, if he beats Thor in comics, animated and videogames ?
Yes, Hulk clearly is not a match for Thor.




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.......OK check this out I use this combo for Thor and it pretty much will have you forget about special moves. Ok here goes....Jumping (special button) crouching (medium atk) crouching(special)...after that you have a choice you can do jumping(special button) and get a good 6 hit combo that dishes out damage or you can combo from it into a bigger combo and do more. I just settle for the 6 hit combo. Again try this...Jumping sp Atk, crouching medium atk, crouchin sp atk, jumping sp atk! My favorite combo, hope it helps let me know. Oh and if backing up, set up Mighty strike by jumping away using sp atk to keep your opponent away than use mighty strike but make sure you have mighty strike ready to be used by holding back so than you can just do a down back attack and pull it off! Its important to use Thor's Sp Atk to set up alot of things. After that you should be pleased.


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Superboy-Prime


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Just have fun with the game, buddy.




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That was terrible. The JIM fight counted as a "lose"? A What If, an alternate future, another inconclusive fight against the Merged hulk when he couldn't get angry. Sure theres the lightning strike from the Annual. But scanning the whole of that fight in Hel and then claiming he won't show the end where "Hulk lost"...that was pretty misleading. I should probably be commenting in that thread but it's 3 years old.





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mjolnir66


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don't bother trying to educate a troll.they have selective memory.besides,they're still reeling from the fact that hulky got his ass handed to him by Zeus.it was very entertaining watching them come up with excuses as to why he lost and how it was a good showing for him!




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lol..STILL crying over how Zeus, a Sky-father, DEMOLISHED Hulk. WOW. Maybe that will be the beginning of the end of their delusions...lol


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mjolnir66


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i doubt it.it's funny how fast they turned on their boy pak because he dared to show the big green dummy getting beat.




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Fifthchild


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I probably shouldn't jump in here but I've already typed this out...


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    OK First. Hulk is not a match for Thor in the comics, never was.


They've repeatedly matched up very well in the comics and probably always will.


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    In fact Thor was brought into Marvel to be far more powerful than the Hulk.


I don't want to make too big a deal out of it since I think it's largely irrelevant but I don't think its necessarily true. Stans quote about how he decided to bring in a God to a universe that already had someone as strong as the Hulk don't necessarily imply he was supposed to be "far more powerful".


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    Hulk fans for some reason especially couldn't stand the idea of Thor being more powerful.


Maybe for the same reasons Thor fans never liked the idea of Hulk being stronger. Would Thor fans like the idea of Hulk being more powerful? At any rate regardless of how people felt about the idea that doesn't make it true.


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    But his strength is equal to stronger depending on the Hulk's state at the time, he was more durable, and has Infinitely greater power, Thor is simply a few level Higher than the Hulk.


It's never looked like that in the comics. And I can't think of any creators who have espoused this view for that matter.


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    The "rivalry" you speak of never existed in Thor fans eyes. That is a thing that was invented completely by Hulk fanboys who have always wanted Hulk to be Galactus level. When the guy isn't even on Surfer's level.


I can only say you sound a lot like Gamma Red in many ways when he insists Hulk >>> Thor.


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    Second this is a fighting game, Anyone can beat Anyone. Zero is one of the sickest and most unbeatable characters in the Game, at least in my hands.








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Why anyone would want Thor or Hulk to be established as definitively superior to the other. I mean, the whole point is for it to be a great rivalry! The writers that made these characters great, like Stan Lee, Peter David, Walt Simonson... these writers understood this.

I DO have a problem with recent depictions of Thor in fights with Hulk, but that is because Marvel has allowed writers to depict Hulk in various incarnations doing everything but whipping out his johnson and pissing all over Thor. That is not the foundation for a great rivalry (LoL, obviously).

Everyone is going to have a favorite, but we should all be able to recognize that it's for the best if each character gets his props and no one is disrespected.

(Not really a response to Fifthchild in particular, just my two cents on the discussion in general.)


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Fifthchild


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Me or the guy posting totally irrelevant scans to try and hurt my itty bitty feelings?

Sure Hulk lost a fight. Lost bad in fact. OTOH I could post far more relevant pics to the discussion at hand of Hulk beating the hell out of Thor with his own hammer...but that would be kind of childish wouldn't it?





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    Why anyone would wan't Thor or Hulk to be established as definitively superior to the other. I mean, the whole point is for it to be a great rivalry! The writers that made these characters great, like Stan Lee, Peter David, Walt Simonson... these writers understood this.



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    I DO have a problem with recent depictions of Thor in fights with Hulk, but that is because Marvel has allowed writers to depict various incarnations of Hulk doing everything but whipping out his johnson and pissing all over Thor. That is not the foundation for a great rivalry (LoL, obviously).



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    Everyone is going to have a favorite, but we should all be able to recognize that it's for the best if each character gets his props and no one is disrespected.


Agree completely. It seems these days there is less concern with this aspect than in the past and I think that's a mistake. Comics are supposed to be fun after all.


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    (Not really a response to Fifthchild in particular, just my two cents on the discussion in general.)


Good stuff.





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Come on! Tell me true Thor fans did'nt think of Nobilius? I know alot of people have said superman but that makes no sense, I say he could be Nobilius, who's with me?


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MjolnirsPower


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Actually yes that's exactly what it meant. That's why he had Thor defeating and nearly Killing Galactus. WHo wasn't even in a desperate way for sustenance. That's why when they first fought only their Strength was shown at exactly = but before that Thor was far too powerful. And after handled Hulk and Namor together.

I personally have never had a problem with Hulk being able to become physically stronger. Still don't. But that's ALL he can do.




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MjolnirsPower


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The "rivalry" is a myth. It was something that developed outside of the comics. It was carrier out in comics later because of the popularity it gained. This is a company after-all selling comics was priority one i believe. I always felt they should be friends, not rivals.

However you don't get why one should be superior. i don't understand the big deal in Thor having been Brought into the MU to be more powerful being a problem. It goes to the Hulk fan-base again. Heaven forbide if Hulk lose. You want proof look at the recent fight with Zeus there are many a Hulk fan pissed off about it. This is a Sky-Father. In no way losing to him is a disrespect to the character.

Hulk has lost before, he will lose again. But Thor is a being who is supposed to surpase his own father in power. Who powers were established as being greater. Who was depicted by Lee & Kirby as being like with Surfer simply on a higher scale than Hulk can achieve.

That's not disrespectful of Hulk. I;m sorry but therein lies a big part of the problem. That view.

Spider-man is nowhere near as powerful as Thor. That's supposed to be disrepectful of him? Same with DareDevil, and Cap. America. Even higher tier as in Iron-man. And Silver Surfer himself has admitted to Thor's superior power. It's not disrespectful to have character live up to their powers and abilities. To their tiers.

It's simply foolish to have an ant attack a lion, and expect an even showing out of "respect".




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Thor being on a higher level in many respects is part of what makes this a great rivalry when it is well handled (which it hasn't been in years, but that is a separate issue).

I know as Thor fans, we tend to get defensive, and there are good reasons for that. Thor has been treated like a chump way too many times in recent years.

That said, Hulk and Thor having a rivalry and putting each other to the test in the strength department doesn't take anything away from Thor, to the extent that it is handled properly.

I agree that Thor fighting Hulk should not be the standard state of affairs, only an occasional thing that happens in exceptional circumstances. But when it does happen, it should be a great fight that gives fans of both characters something to cheer about.

In the interest of full disclosure, I wouldn't mind seeing Thor give Hulk a royal butt-whooping sometime soon, but that is only to balance the scales a bit, since Thor has been on the receiving end so often in recent years ;\-\)


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    The "rivalry" is a myth. It was something that developed outside of the comics. It was carrier out in comics later because of the popularity it gained. This is a company after-all selling comics was priority one i believe. I always felt they should be friends, not rivals.



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    However you don't get why one should be superior. i don't understand the big deal in Thor having been Brought into the MU to be more powerful being a problem. It goes to the Hulk fan-base again. Heaven forbide if Hulk lose. You want proof look at the recent fight with Zeus there are many a Hulk fan pissed off about it. This is a Sky-Father. In no way losing to him is a disrespect to the character.



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    Hulk has lost before, he will lose again. But Thor is a being who is supposed to surpase his own father in power. Who powers were established as being greater. Who was depicted by Lee & Kirby as being like with Surfer simply on a higher scale than Hulk can achieve.



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    That's not disrespectful of Hulk. I;m sorry but therein lies a big part of the problem. That view.



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    Spider-man is nowhere near as powerful as Thor. That's supposed to be disrepectful of him? Same with DareDevil, and Cap. America. Even higher tier as in Iron-man. And Silver Surfer himself has admitted to Thor's superior power. It's not disrespectful to have character live up to their powers and abilities. To their tiers.



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    It's simply foolish to have an ant attack a lion, and expect an even showing out of "respect".



Facts.

1) Hulk, holding back during the World War Hulk, beat an all out Sentry who TB said to be as powerful as the Siege Sentry. After Hulk beat Sentry he proved to be even more powerful than before.

2) Thor got destroyed by Sentry/Void. He killed him because Sentry asked him to be killed. Bendis said that in no other way Thor could have killed him and that's was pretty clear from the issue.

Hulk (holding back) > All out Sentry/Void >>>>> Thor. There is not anything disrespectful to be after Hulk and Sentry in the chain food.

Even CBR said (before wwh#5) the two top dog around are Hulk and Sentry:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=11947
CBR News sat down one last time with "WWH" writer Greg Pak for his thoughts on the battle set to answer the question of who's the strongest one in the Marvel Universe? The Green King or the Golden Guardian of Good? Let's get ready to rumble!(TM)






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MjolnirsPower


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I'm all for a cool drawn out battle between Hulk and Thor via physical strength. However when Thor uses his other powers, and Mjolnir he will stomp Hulk everytime.




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MjolnirsPower


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.... Thor defeated Galactus, written by the creators of BOTH Hulk and Thor. Galactus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sentry and the greatest version of Hulk put together.

Thor >>>>>>>> Hulk and Sentry.

Also LMAO @ referencing anything written by Bendis, or Pak the Hulk fanboy.

Remembering that Hulk had to have a Major upgrade in power to be able to do that. and even that upgrade still wasn't enough to allow him to defeat Juggernaut.




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Actually Thor leveled Sentry. A victory. And the only "victory" Hulk got over Rhulk was after Rhulk BROKE the Hulk's arm, later Thor engaged Rulk again and Rulk even admits that "Thor had him on the ropes" only to have Hulk jump in a finish Rulk off AFTER Thor was already giving Rulk the business. Another victory for Thor, over Rulk. Hulk and Sentry stalemated. Banner then sucker punched Bob. That's probably where Hulk gets his sucker punching tactics from in the first place. Go figure. Finally, recently where Steve Rogers recruited Thor and Rhulk for a mission, Thor beats the tar out of Rhulk AGAIN and then later saves his life. The only thing left for Thor to do is beat the tar outta Hulk which you can bet your britches is on the horizon. Better do your homework.... \:-\)



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