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Volstagg jr




I'm talking a mini-series where two of Marvel's mightiest characters actually work together to bring down a couple of heavyhitters. I don't want know fighting in the beginnning betweeen the two either, just two heroes coming together to take down a commion foe. What do you guys think?


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skurgesaxe




I would love to see it pal. A real furious against the odds struggle where both guys put it on the line for each other.




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Punchdrunk




Zeus and Olympus start getting very heavy handed toward the mortals now that they are so close to earth
- ala Clash of the Titans and the Reigning only far more oppressive.

When a delegation of heroes and diplomats go to meet with them they are struck down.

Zeus and Hera declare open war and make an undeclared first strike.

Only two heroes are able to withstand the attack.

Jade Jaws and the Odinson.

Together they storm Olympus and the two of them run AMOK - culminating in a world class beatdown of Zeus.

I SAY THEE SMASHETH!


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Vidar


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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I don't read enough Hulk to know the character down pat, but every time I see hulk he's acting like as asshole. I think the hulk fans mostly via the board really embarrassed not just themselves but the wider comic -reading fraternity.

Personally I don't want Thor anywhere near the hulk. Even the long standing rivalry is boring and for the most part redundant. I'd rather see Thor team up with someone of equal capability such as the suffer or gladiator. How about Ikaris or Warlock?

PAK is right in that Herc would have a closer affinity to hulk being as they're both simplistic bricks most of the time.

vidar




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Dana P.




"I don't read enough Hulk to know the character down pat, but every time I see hulk he's acting like as asshole."

That's one of the reasons why I'm not keen at all on the way the Hulk has been depicted for quite a while.

It's one thing to talketh the smack like Thor does (it's pompous to be sure, but also awesome and funny), but the Hulk has for years now been one big green douche bag. Look at the recent issue (when Hulk gets destroyed by Zeus). There's one panel in which the Hulk says something about Zeus being afraid, or something like that. Look at the Hulk's smug "tough guy" expression. It's disgusting, that leering, almost sinister, grin.

It's like the worst depictions of Batman and Wolverine - you know, the "I'm such a tough guy I have no need for anyone or any help, etc.", and forget any semblance of manners. Funny, though, bringing up manners when it comes to the Hulk!








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skurgesaxe




Punch my friend you are singing a beautiful song! I would honestly and dearly love to read this story.


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skurgesaxe




While there have been aspects of the Hulk's portrayal that have nauseated me in the past I think this is a little too one dimensional an analysis for me Vidar. Personally I have experienced something of a draw to the character this past while.

I am also going to hang back from criticising Hulk fans since I am too mindful of shortcomings on my own part which I have often played out these boards.

I hope you are well Vidar.




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seeker


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I know he wanted Zeus to fix everything. I think he knew he wouldn't stand a chance against him, but if he could put up enough of a fight Zeus might respect him some and honor his sacrifice. He may have thought Zeus would say: "Dang, this mortal isn't a bad fighter and if he is willing to get himself killed he must be pretty desperate. I do kind of owe him so I will fix things."

The problem I have with it is everything anyone knows about Zeus knows he is a colossal a-hole. He respects other gods like Thor, but not mortals. Hercules told him as much. Worse, storming his home and demanding favors would only piss him off. I suppose the Hulk may have even wanted to die or be punished.


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mjolnir66


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Thor is nothing like the hulk.he has honor,a warriors code and other heroes respect.hulk has none of these.he's a bully and a thug who is constantly whining.as far as going up against Zeus,well,we already know that he stands NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER.




the one,TRUE THOR!
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Dana P.





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    I know he wanted Zeus to fix everything. I think he knew he wouldn't stand a chance against him, but if he could put up enough of a fight Zeus might respect him some and honor his sacrifice. He may have thought Zeus would say: "Dang, this mortal isn't a bad fighter and if he is willing to get himself killed he must be pretty desperate. I do kind of owe him so I will fix things."



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    The problem I have with it is everything anyone knows about Zeus knows he is a colossal a-hole. He respects other gods like Thor, but not mortals. Hercules told him as much. Worse, storming his home and demanding favors would only piss him off. I suppose the Hulk may have even wanted to die or be punished.


I read the issue in which Hulk got destroyed, but I hadn't been following the title, so I'm not sure what the point was. If Hulk's point was self sacrifice, he was successful. But to what end I don't know.

It's still very strange to me, the whole group of freaks (Hulk, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb, and the the other members). The whole idea of a "Hulk Family" just doesn't sit well with me. I like the Hulk as a solo creature, to be honest, not a leader of a bunch of misfits.


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skurgesaxe




The Hulk has been those things and he has also been more in my opinion.

Maybe that is what draws my interest.




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Vidar


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It's still very strange to me, the whole group of freaks (Hulk, Red She Hulk, A-Bomb, and the the other members). The whole idea of a "Hulk Family" just doesn't sit well with me. I like the Hulk as a solo creature, to be honest, not a leader of a bunch of misfits.

EXACTLY Dana! Hulk writers are obviously struggling to create stories around an essentially one-dimensional character. Originally there was Betty, Rick and Ross as supporting characters but there's only so far you can go with this. The Hulk got all soapy under PAD, then Kermit Gladiator in space and now this 'family' nonsense. The Red Hulk story was probably the most moronic series of Marvel comics I've ever seen, but judging the Hulk fan's recent bleatings I'd say they were well satisfied LOL.

You look at Thor and he has a great supporting cast and a wide, extensive canvas. he is the stuff of myth and legend, but can also travel into space and probably still across time.

If I were writing Hulk I would focus on building up an arch nemesis and making a hero of the character once again. The misunderstood misanthrope is old and tired and yeah, I too find that whole smirking tough guy routine mildly revolting.
Vidar


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Dana P.





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    EXACTLY Dana! Hulk writers are obviously struggling to create stories around an essentially one-dimensional character. Originally there was Betty, Rick and Ross as supporting characters but there's only so far you can go with this. The Hulk got all soapy under PAD, then Kermit Gladiator in space and now this 'family' nonsense. The Red Hulk story was probably the most moronic series of Marvel comics I've ever seen, but judging the Hulk fan's recent bleatings I'd say they were well satisfied LOL.


Hulk fan(atic)s would argue that he isn't one dimensional (due to the layers of psychological issues he has), but when you get down to it, Hulk is all about primal rage and being the "strongest one there is." That's OK is (very) small doses, but overall it's waaay to juvenile for me.


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    You look at Thor and he has a great supporting cast and a wide, extensive canvas. he is the stuff of myth and legend, but can also travel into space and probably still across time.


Thor is epic fantasy/sci-fi/Shakespearian family drama/super heroics/sci-fi/space opera all rolled into one. The possibilities are ENDLESS when you get down to Thor and his cast of characters, not to mention the Nine Worlds and their various denizens.


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    If I were writing Hulk I would focus on building up an arch nemesis and making a hero of the character once again. The misunderstood misanthrope is old and tired and yeah, I too find that whole smirking tough guy routine mildly revolting.
    Vidar


Get Hulk back to his basics. That's when the character worked best, I say.



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Halflife fan




Also, how is the Hulk one dimensonal when he's been constently changing, and developing over the years? And who wants to see the same old same old with one charicter?
Also your not serious about PAD's run are you? He's come out with some of the most acclaimed Hulk stories for a reason

If you looked properly, not a single Hulkfan enjoyed or was satisfied by Rulk's nonsense. He made the entire Marvel Universe including the actual Hulk look like chumps in that series, your prcaticlly ignoring all the complaints many of the Hulk fans had about rulk for years, and honestly I personally enjoyed Thors payback in Parker's run on Adjetive-less Hulk.

Also In planet Savage Kate mentioned that his family could be leading him down a path of heroism, his confrontation with Zeus was motivated for their benifit, granted it wasn't the best statagy but if you looked closly Banner was filled with desperation, since he saw what Herc did after Chaos War he thought if he couldn't just ask another Skyfather to undo his problems with his family, he'd find a way earn his respect and help them.




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Fifthchild


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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    Quote:
    I'm talking a mini-series where two of Marvel's mightiest characters actually work together to bring down a couple of heavyhitters. I don't want know fighting in the beginnning betweeen the two either, just two heroes coming together to take down a commion foe. What do you guys think?


I could envision a situation where both are sent to investigate an approaching alien threat or go on a mythic quest together. There is a ton of potential there.

One day...







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The Church of Hulk
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