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Thor issue 620 is the worst issue of Thor ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Do you also think that Thor issue 620 is the worst ever. I thought Thor fighting the Viet Kong in the 1960's was the worst, when he was vulnerable to bullets and hand granades. Warriors Three is how Thor should be written. Lets see more stories of what is going on in Asgard. The stories lately are ponderous. I love having at least three Thor related books, but I would settle for one good one.


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After waiting 5 or 6 issues for a fight, Thor is put into something called a Blood Legion? Why not put him in the Destroyer Armor if that's the case? None of the other asgardians fight alongside Odin and Thor either. Odin comes across as a fat old man more than a peer of Zeus or Galactus. Honestly he doesn't seem to have a scrap of Odinpower left and since when does Thor need to put himself inside this goofy avatar to kick ass (Surtur, Dark Gods, Seth, Galactus, Celestials anyone?). THIS STUFF IS JUST PLAIN OLD BAD!!!


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I THINK Fraction is saddled with editorial mandates to bring the comic into line with the movie.I loved the mini Thor series he did but this run -not so much.I believe it would have been a different matter if he were telling only the story he wanted.That is just opinion on my part.


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Upper_Krust




Hey all!

Okay, I'll (unfortunately) be picking this up tomorrow, but from the reports it looks like Fraction has served us up another boring, decompressed, illogical, completely out of character, snoozefest of an issue.

Even if he is under editorial pressure to bring the comic in line with the movie (in a completely ham-fisted way) its becoming pretty clear that Matt Fraction is the worst writer on this comic since its inception. The guy seems to have no clue how to actually structure a story, I mean I haven't read any of his other titles but surely they can't be as bad as this? Is he just having a bad arc or something? Can anyone provide any words of comfort here? \:\-\(


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    Hey all!



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    Okay, I'll (unfortunately) be picking this up tomorrow, but from the reports it looks like Fraction has served us up another boring, decompressed, illogical, completely out of character, snoozefest of an issue.


Its actually a bit better than that. I still have issues with some of the dialogue, threat the World-Eaters are supposed to present, and the ending. About half of it is just a battle with the Asgardians being badass. Kind of hard to screw that up.


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    Even if he is under editorial pressure to bring the comic in line with the movie (in a completely ham-fisted way) its becoming pretty clear that Matt Fraction is the worst writer on this comic since its inception. The guy seems to have no clue how to actually structure a story, I mean I haven't read any of his other titles but surely they can't be as bad as this? Is he just having a bad arc or something? Can anyone provide any words of comfort here? \:\-\(


His other Thor writings were better. That is why this one has left me scratching my head.



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Upper_Krust




Hey all! \:\-\)

Okay, picked up the issue. Have read it three times. Still can't make head nor tails of it.

Initial observations:

1. Possibly the lowest panel count in a Marvel comic ever? At 62 panels of story (by contrast Thunderstrike #3 had 104 panels). I think Nextwave Issue #11 may have had fewer with its 6 consecutive double page spreads (though that comic was an ironic dissection of the superhero genre...and pretty good). Here we just get so many big panels that there is very little contrast to anything.

2. "Blood Legion": Okay, none of this is sufficiently explained, but I'll give Fraction the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe the Asgardians (indeed all the denizens of the nine worlds) are turning into a bunch of mini-Mokkurkalves. Why the Asgardians, Trolls, Giants and Dark Elves didn't just fight the World Eaters is totally lost on me.

3. The Villains: Quite possibly the lamest bunch of faceless (in terms of personality at least) mooks ever. Uthana Thoth has done nothing so far and does nothing again in this issue.

4. The Scale: Terrible. It looks like about 8 Blood Colossi vs. about a hundred or so World Eaters.

5. The Action: Has Fraction ever read a Thor comic? Has he seen one of Odin's fights? Comparing this to something like Odin vs. Thanos is just laughable.

6. Continuity: Not a massive stickler for it, but since when was the Odinsword reforged?

Then again the whole thing has made zero sense from the beginning and been totally out of character all along so why change now. If the threat was so bad, why not stick Thor in the Destroyer Armour while Odin grows to his Giant size and takes up the Odinsword...?


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    Do you also think that Thor issue 620 is the worst ever. I thought Thor fighting the Viet Kong in the 1960's was the worst, when he was vulnerable to bullets and hand granades. Warriors Three is how Thor should be written. Lets see more stories of what is going on in Asgard. The stories lately are ponderous. I love having at least three Thor related books, but I would settle for one good one.


Yeah, it was awful, but there is one good one - Astonishing Thor.





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    2. "Blood Legion": Okay, none of this is sufficiently explained, but I'll give Fraction the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe the Asgardians (indeed all the denizens of the nine worlds) are turning into a bunch of mini-Mokkurkalves. Why the Asgardians, Trolls, Giants and Dark Elves didn't just fight the World Eaters is totally lost on me.


This is continuously bugging me the more I think about it. It certainly would have been more visually striking to have seen all the Asgardians, Trolls, Giants, Elves and whatnot in battle other than this Blood Legion design. It's a shame that this is probably the most badass the Asgardians have been in recent memory and they're not even visually recognizable, not to mention the 'power-up' of turning into the Blood Legion still makes them look a little weak in comparison, which I guess was kind of the point? I can only guess this was done in part to continue to build up the World Eaters.




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Jase





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    Do you also think that Thor issue 620 is the worst ever. I thought Thor fighting the Viet Kong in the 1960's was the worst, when he was vulnerable to bullets and hand granades. Warriors Three is how Thor should be written. Lets see more stories of what is going on in Asgard. The stories lately are ponderous. I love having at least three Thor related books, but I would settle for one good one.


I'm really about ready for Fraction's debut arc to be over, and I already feel comfortable in calling it a failure. I honestly expected more of Fraction based on his other work. If something doesn't significantly change in this title in the near future, I'm pretty close to dropping the title and just waiting for Gillen's Journey into Mystery title to start up.




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skurgesaxe




I'm close to dropping the title tbh UK.


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Man, this was just bad.

Bad art, bad story, bad portrayal of Thor and Odin.

Bad, bad, bad.

Honestly, Odin comes across as a buffoon. "You're not just dead, but stupid!" When has Odin ever talked like that?

When speaking to Thor he says, "Well, boy." He sounds like Vernon Dursley.

Sorry to be so negative.

-- John


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Upper_Krust




Howdy Jase! \:\-\)


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    This is continuously bugging me the more I think about it. It certainly would have been more visually striking to have seen all the Asgardians, Trolls, Giants, Elves and whatnot in battle other than this Blood Legion design.


It would have been a great idea to have the World Eaters shown against the Trolls (guest appearance of Ulik), against the Dark Elves (guest appearance by Malekith) and so on. That way you could showcase how bad@ss the World Eaters were, plus the moral of the tale being that the 9 worlds would have needed to join together to battle these invaders. Imagine Thor and Ulik fighting side by side against the henchmen of Uthana Thoth. Imagine Surtur, Odin and Ymir teaming up to take on Uthana Thoth.

Instead we get a bunch of comatose Asgardians powering some muck-monsters and Odin in a fist fight.


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    It's a shame that this is probably the most badass the Asgardians have been in recent memory and they're not even visually recognizable, not to mention the 'power-up' of turning into the Blood Legion still makes them look a little weak in comparison, which I guess was kind of the point? I can only guess this was done in part to continue to build up the World Eaters.


It doesn't make any sense at any stage of the story. The annoyance of it all is...

1. The World Eaters could have been completely brilliant - but they were just so utterly lame. They killed a bunch of defenceless elves - that was their claim of prowess.
2. The Blood Legion idea could have been great (imagine even when teamed up, the combined 9 Worlds Army still gets beat back because even though they fight together because of old rivalries they don't work as a team. So Odin has to use the Blood Legion magic to recreate the Mokkurkalve 90 km tall as per the myths, with the entire World Eaters force actually fighting on top of the Mokkurkalve including 1000 feet tall Odin, Ymir, Surtur and Uthana Thoth.

The more I think of it, the more I really should have written this Thor arc.

Issue #615: Thor is off battling the Absorbing Woman (Crusher Creel absorbed too much Oestrogen or something), the fight takes place on some university campus. Halfway through the fight it starts raining blood, Creel absorbs it and we sort of get a preview of the World Eaters through the eyes of Creel.

While the World Eaters invade the Asgardian continent...first encountering the Trolls.


Issue #616: Thor encounters Doctor Solvang, who is one of the teachers of quantum theory at the university, who made a quick study of the rain.

The Trolls are being defeated, Ulik momentarily turns the tide but is attacked by one of the World Eater main henchmen. Ulik wants to fight to the death, but Geirroduhr teleports him away. Here we see how powerful the World Eaters are.


Issue #617: The Trolls show up on Earth, Geirroduhr asks the Asgardians for help. Thor stalls, Ulik gets impatient, fight ensues.

Back in Asgard, Malekith and the Dark Elves try to ally with the invaders but here we see that the World Eaters do not make allies. This could be used to showcase one of the more devious World Eater henchmen. We also learn that the force that defeated the Trolls and the Dark Elves was just an advance scouting party of World Eaters...not the main army.


Issue #618: Malekith is also forced to turn to the Asgardians for help. Thor and the allies are ready to mount a counter-offensive against the World Eater force.

The World Eater's force pushes on into Helheim. Even the dead cannot stop them. Hela is forced to flee, but the World Eater's force advances so rapidly. Someone has to stay behind...any thoughts...you guessed it, Skurge is back, and this time he's the captain of the ship of the dead, steering it right into the massed ranks of the World Eater's.

Of course this way we can also bring back Loki, since Hel has been destroyed, its borders sundered.


Issue #619: The main force of the World Eaters (with the leader) arrives to take on the Frost Giants. In a titanic battle, the World Eater leader Uthana Thoth defeats Ymir himself.

The second force of World Eaters invades Muspell, where Surtur's wife and son lead the Fire Demons. Thor and the allies show up and the tide of battle swings against the initial World Eater force. With Thor, Ulik and Malakith barely managing to slay the son of the leader. After which the remainder of the World Eaters scatter and flee. The Allies retreat back to the ruins of Asgard.


Issue #620: Uthana Thoth learns of the death of his son and the massive main World Eater army prepares to invade the ruins of Asgard for the final showdown. The allies put up a valiant show but sheer weight of numbers tells against them. Plus Uthana Thoth is nigh on unstoppable. In a last desperate act Thor God-blasts the world tree, reviving Odin.


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Upper_Krust




Hey skurgesaxe mate! \:\-\)


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    I'm close to dropping the title tbh UK.


I have never dropped Thor before. The very notion of it was anathema to me. But this is the first time I'm seriously considering it.

Its like all of a sudden they forgot how to tell a story. Forgot what the characters are about. Forgot how to set up a villain. Forgot how to stage a fight. Forgot about epic scale. The panel count is so low its basically half an issue compared to every other comic.

I've been studying various books on how to make comics (as you know I have a dream...) and reading this now its almost like Fraction hasn't a grasp of the basic fundamentals. Its mind boggling.



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