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Norvell


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Tom goes on to say:

"On occasion a creator had him call the hammer, but those instances were mistakes. Especially given the parameter that he needed to touch the hammer once every 60 seconds in order to remain in his godly form on Earth, the idea that he could just summon it to him in those circumstances doesn't make any sense. Typically, those mistakes were people misunderstanding the mechanics of how the enchantment on the hammer worked. (The film also gets this wrong at a crucial moment.)"

Writers who have had Thor summon or mentally control the flight of his hammer (off the top of my head):

Dan Jurgens (who Tom edited)
Stan Lee
Dough Moench
Roy Thomas
Warren Ellis
Allan Zelenetz
William-Messner Loebs
Tom DeFalco
Jim Starlin

Also the guy writes the Avengers cartoon.

*whistles*


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The One




This is clearly wrong as many writers and issues show Thor has and can summon his hammer to him.


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Norvell


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bd2999

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    Quote:
    Tom goes on to say:



    Quote:
    "On occasion a creator had him call the hammer, but those instances were mistakes. Especially given the parameter that he needed to touch the hammer once every 60 seconds in order to remain in his godly form on Earth, the idea that he could just summon it to him in those circumstances doesn't make any sense. Typically, those mistakes were people misunderstanding the mechanics of how the enchantment on the hammer worked. (The film also gets this wrong at a crucial moment.)"



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    Writers who have had Thor summon or mentally control the flight of his hammer (off the top of my head):



    Quote:
    Dan Jurgens (who Tom edited)
    Stan Lee
    Dough Moench
    Roy Thomas
    Warren Ellis
    Allan Zelenetz
    William-Messner Loebs
    Tom DeFalco
    Jim Starlin



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    Also the guy writes the Avengers cartoon.



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    *whistles*


Matt Fraction as well in Fear Itself. I do not recall if Walt did it or not.

Not sure if Tom's statement makes much sense at all honestly. The 60 second rule has come up before and at times I remember it was a problem when he threw it and then was in a fight and then was unable to catch it when it came back. Like he got leveled as it was coming back for him. Not sure where he gets some of this. It seems a natural extension that he would and has done something like this before.




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jazzbass6




I think it is time for TommyBoy to find another line of work. I mean, if you are going to be an editor for a particular characters book; it might help to, oh Idon't know, DO YOUR GODDAMN HOMEWORK AND KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHARACTER!!!!!


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markronimus




at least in tommy's mind.


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Golem




No wonder how he and Busiek were such a "good team".


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Shango

also - check the movie!



... even in the Thor movie he summons the hammer to him.

Of course - this is not the comics - but it must be more in the public eye.


***spoilers if you have not seen the movie***

In one case - the hammer flys right to him (after he gets almost killed by the Destroyer).

In a second scene, he had put the hammer on top of Loki to hold him in place, and then he simply summons it to himself so that he can destroy the bridge.



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PKSenseless




Norvell,
Is there an interview or an article where he says this you could link me to? Thanks


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Norvell


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He says it on his Formspring account.

http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort

Just read through his messages for the past day or two and you'll get to it.


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PKSenseless




Thanks!


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Norvell


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    Quote:
    From issue #348:



    Quote:
    http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans5/T348_Mjolnir.JPG





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Thorion


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IMHO this dude for some reason must hate "Thor"





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Thorion


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What a freakin joke this dude is, cast him out as editor





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Drake




What he seems to be doing is defending the issue where Red Hulk wields Mjolnir in space.  Someone asked why Thor simply didn't summon Mjolnir out of Red Hulk's hand and that is when he stated that this is something Thor is not able to do.  That is what started the whole discussion.


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adey


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.. from a few replies..


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Kurt Busiek has said that Thor can summon Mjolnir.
Kurt Busiek is not the boss of me.

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"Thor 's hammer returns to his hand when he throws it, but he can't summon it to him." I thought that's what he did in FI#5 to incapacitate Angrir?

Yep, we screwed that up.

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I guess Tom forgot about the times when Thor didn't have Blake as a crutch and the 60 second rule didn't apply. What happened then ? Oh, I guess he turned into nothing when he didn't touch the hammer.

So, his point about the film being a "mistake" is wrong anyway. Plus, He and Marvel always like to say that what happens in the films doesn't necessarily go with what happens in the comics, so he's wrong there too.

Anyway, it's just his opinion, lots of evidence proves otherwise.
However, I bet if it was about Thor not being bullet-proof he'd be quick to say that the few occasions he was shown to be less invunerable to them are canon and not mistakes.

adey
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"On occasion a creator had him call the hammer, but those instances were mistakes." Just randomly deciding that those who came before were in the wrong, huh? It's like Spider-man's marriage again. Stop cheapening this by disrespecting your own history.

No, this has been the way it's been since the beginning, with the occasional lapse. It's what the Marvel handbook will tell you, among other things. It's about respect for the past, not disrespect--being consistent with what's previously been established.

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    Tom goes on to say:



    Quote:
    "On occasion a creator had him call the hammer, but those instances were mistakes. Especially given the parameter that he needed to touch the hammer once every 60 seconds in order to remain in his godly form on Earth, the idea that he could just summon it to him in those circumstances doesn't make any sense. Typically, those mistakes were people misunderstanding the mechanics of how the enchantment on the hammer worked. (The film also gets this wrong at a crucial moment.)"



    Quote:
    Writers who have had Thor summon or mentally control the flight of his hammer (off the top of my head):



    Quote:
    Dan Jurgens (who Tom edited)
    Stan Lee
    Dough Moench
    Roy Thomas
    Warren Ellis
    Allan Zelenetz
    William-Messner Loebs
    Tom DeFalco
    Jim Starlin



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    Also the guy writes the Avengers cartoon.



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    *whistles*





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Norvell


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You are correct. The problem is that once Brevoort makes a declaration, he is utterly incapable of admitting that he's wrong. He will go to his grave without conceding.

It's like when someone asked him a question about whether or not the Worthy could fly, and he came down on the side of 'no, they cannot'. He was then presented with evidence showing that they could fly (in books that he edited). Instead of addressing the incidents, the said that he was editor and he knows more about the characters then the questioner.

It's an unfortunate character flaw. He seems like a nice enough guy and I don't think he 'hates' Thor. He just loves Tom Brevoort.



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swmcbf


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Tom just says these things to wind up these boards.The old any publicity is good publicity rule.He knows how to work it.Month after month he keeps people talking about marvel.


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Oliva


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    Quote:
    What he seems to be doing is defending the issue where Red Hulk wields Mjolnir in space.  Someone asked why Thor simply didn't summon Mjolnir out of Red Hulk's hand and that is when he stated that this is something Thor is not able to do.  That is what started the whole discussion.

 
The Destroyer that is powered by a bunch of Sky-Fathers and even Zeus himself couldn't resist Thor's hammer, and the Red Hulk could? 
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_Mjolnir.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_Zeus_1.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_Zeus_2.jpg

 It's well-known fact that that Thor can summon the hammer, and mentally commanded as well:
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Mjolnir_vuelo_2.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Mjolnir_vuelo_3.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Mjolnir_vuelo_6.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Mjolnir_vuelo_4.jpg
 
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_1.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_2.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_3.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_4.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_5.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_6.jpg
http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/Thor/Thor_ultra-terminus_7.jpg
 
One thing is not to like the character (and I personally have no problems with that), but at least respect his fans. I mean, it's abundantly clear that Bravoort is not particularly enamoured by Thor in the least, or else he normally wouldn't be taking shots at him the way he does.. Words are not as important as deeds, and there's a bunch of writers and editors over the years that support what it's already been irrefutably established that Thor can command the Hammer, and he wants to invalidate that? For what reason may I ask?
 
 

 


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bd2999

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Not sure that I agree he is anti-Thor. I think he is incorrect about a great number of things about the character but I do not think he has some deep seeded dislike of the character at all.




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Would be Watcher


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    Quote:
    From issue #348:



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    http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans5/T348_Mjolnir.JPG


...a plonge into a magma pool = fatal? I'm surprise uncle Walt has no one calling him a Thor hater for that.



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Would be Watcher


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    Not sure that I agree he is anti-Thor. I think he is incorrect about a great number of things about the character but I do not think he has some deep seeded dislike of the character at all.


If Tom would have said Mjolnir can easily destroy Eternity, nobody would ever have dare call him a hater even if Mjolnir doing that would be every bit as fallacious. I have come to the conclusion that a hater is someone who isn't a blind fanatic on steroid. Neutrality is a wasted concept.




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makkari1


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    Quote:
    If Tom would have said Mjolnir can easily destroy Eternity, nobody would ever have dare call him a hater even if Mjolnir doing that would be every bit as fallacious. I have come to the conclusion that a hater is someone who isn't a blind fanatic on steroid. Neutrality is a wasted concept. 

I'm not sure if even the most die hard fan would say something that absurd. Tom does say a lot of things that a lot of previous editors and writers disagree with. 




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makkari1


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    Quote:
    Tom goes on to say:



    Quote:
    "On occasion a creator had him call the hammer, but those instances were mistakes. Especially given the parameter that he needed to touch the hammer once every 60 seconds in order to remain in his godly form on Earth, the idea that he could just summon it to him in those circumstances doesn't make any sense. Typically, those mistakes were people misunderstanding the mechanics of how the enchantment on the hammer worked. (The film also gets this wrong at a crucial moment.)"



    Quote:
    Writers who have had Thor summon or mentally control the flight of his hammer (off the top of my head):



    Quote:
    Dan Jurgens (who Tom edited)

    Stan Lee
    Dough Moench
    Roy Thomas
    Warren Ellis
    Allan Zelenetz
    William-Messner Loebs
    Tom DeFalco
    Jim Starlin



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    Also the guy writes the Avengers cartoon.



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    *whistles*

You can add Walt Simonson to that list as well.




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Would be Watcher


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    Quote:

      Quote:
      If Tom would have said Mjolnir can easily destroy Eternity, nobody would ever have dare call him a hater even if Mjolnir doing that would be every bit as fallacious. I have come to the conclusion that a hater is someone who isn't a blind fanatic on steroid. Neutrality is a wasted concept. 

 
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    I'm not sure if even the most die hard fan would say something that absurd. Tom does say a lot of things that a lot of previous editors and writers disagree with.  

Disagreeing is fine. Automatically calling someone a hater because he has a different, and unpopular, view OTOH is not.





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Mighty_Thor




Big difference with Tom saying "Thor can not summon mjolnir" (despite numerous showings to the contrary, including by Stan Lee, the guy who created Thor and Walt Simonson, whom many say is the definitive Thor writer) and your extreme example "if he said Mjolnir can easily destroy Eternity"...there is a middle and sane ground, you know.  No need to exaggerate just to prove your point.
 
Anyway, Tom's original statement (Thor can't summon Mjolnir) is akin to a DC editor saying "Magic is an auto-win against Superman"...there are several showings to the contrary, and it will still rub Supes' fanbase the wrong way...Now, how do you feel Dan Jurgens (guy who wrote Thor and Supes) saying he pick Thor (and he has, really) winning over Supes because of magic?


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Mighty_Thor




...I mean, really? Trying to start something with what Walt has written? Ahem...it's called "drama", in case you are wondering. Thor's dialogue was for dramatic effect. How dramatic would it have been if he said "I better call Mjolnir because a lava bath, although harmless, I would still have to shampoo my hair 10 times just to get the sulfur out of my hair...such a drag...hurry mjolnir"! Besides, Thor said - "before the fall becomes a fatal one", not really a 'plonge' (what the heck is a 'plonge'?) into a magma pool. I reckon Superman wouldn't want to fall a thousand feet drop mere moments after waking up in mid-air...geez! Do we have to explain everything to you Supes fanboys?


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