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seeker


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When you get down to it Asgard and the nine worlds is very similar to the world of D & D or other fantasy role playing. Yeah, the gods are stronger than "mortals" and long-lived, but that is about the only major difference and just about everything else in the nine worlds is close enough in power to be a threat to them.

With that in mind what defense do Asgardians really have against being transformed by a powerful sorcerer or god from another pantheon who knows how to use their energy-powers like Hera? Amora one time with a wave of her hand transformed Heimdall into a tree. The only reason he was saved is due to his magic sword. Thor is fairly immune because he is powerful enough even a sorcerer as powerful as Loki cannot really effect him. But what about lesser gods like the Warriors Three? In theory what is to keep Loki, Amora, or someone else from turning them into a rat? In the past such warriors have enough trouble with illusions and lower powered wizards. The only times an Asgardian seems to do well against a powerful magic user is either they have a long-distance magic weapon of their own, the magic user does not want to fight them (as in Karnilla and Baldur), or they just happen to be one of the lucky few who is so powerful magic does not really effect them. Maybe I haven't read enough regular tales, but this is the way it always comes across to me.

thoughts?


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Mighty_Thor




I don't mean that their weapons are necessarily as powerful as Mjolnir or Bloodaxe, but, I suppose they do offer some protection from spells cast by sorceror types. It's like Sif fighting the Enchantress, in theory, all Amora had to do is to fire an enchantment spell and she can freeze Sif...but it doesn't happen that way. Sif can fight, avoid spells and maybe her weapons offer some protection. Back in the old days, we see Heimdall fire some energy attacks from his sword, so it's gotta be enchanted in some way. Odin's spear is enchanted. skurge's ax is enchanted. Why not Sif's sword or Hogun's mace?


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    When you get down to it Asgard and the nine worlds is very similar to the world of D & D or other fantasy role playing. Yeah, the gods are stronger than "mortals" and long-lived, but that is about the only major difference and just about everything else in the nine worlds is close enough in power to be a threat to them.



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    With that in mind what defense do Asgardians really have against being transformed by a powerful sorcerer or god from another pantheon who knows how to use their energy-powers like Hera? Amora one time with a wave of her hand transformed Heimdall into a tree. The only reason he was saved is due to his magic sword. Thor is fairly immune because he is powerful enough even a sorcerer as powerful as Loki cannot really effect him. But what about lesser gods like the Warriors Three? In theory what is to keep Loki, Amora, or someone else from turning them into a rat? In the past such warriors have enough trouble with illusions and lower powered wizards. The only times an Asgardian seems to do well against a powerful magic user is either they have a long-distance magic weapon of their own, the magic user does not want to fight them (as in Karnilla and Baldur), or they just happen to be one of the lucky few who is so powerful magic does not really effect them. Maybe I haven't read enough regular tales, but this is the way it always comes across to me.



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    thoughts?


I would imagine that they have none unless they have magic armor or something to stop it. Their nature likely makes them resistant to magic at some level but not on the level of a skilled and powerful god or even a mortal honestly.

The more powerful gods like Thor can resist to some degree but magic can get to them too, they are not immune. It just is not as quick or easy to do it. Much of the time what stops some Asgardian sorcerers or sorceresses from doing to much is that they respect their fellow gods. So punishing them is fine but killing them... well Odin would not like that. He did not look kindly on Thor for killing Loki even after Loki had done so much wrong.




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Ragnarok




They don't have any defense, which goes a long way to explain the politics of the nine worlds. To survive warriors must ally themselves with a strong sorcerer and submit to their rule (Odin, Karnilla, Utgard-Loki, Malekith, etc)


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seeker


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The Asgardians as a whole seem to have a mistrust of sorcery. They look down upon it as being cowardly compared to fighting your opponent openly with a sword. Several times over the years characters have voiced a dislike of it. A lot of this is due to Loki, but part of me can't help but wonder if the Asgardians as a whole know the truth about what you say.

Their society teaches them to look down on magic, but their king is a god of magic. Just about all the major gods or great warriors have magic or magical weapons to some degree. Magic is something that the regular warrior no matter how skilled they may be cannot really fight against. Sorcerers tend to rule because they are the only ones who know how to counter magic with other magic. Their own magic also gives them a definitive edge against regular warriors. Finally, since magic is sort of the "science" of the other worlds requiring intelligence to master the sorcerers developed their intelligence to know how to rule or at least dominate others.


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