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Mighty_Thor




http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/thor-2-alan-taylor-daniel-minahan-272033

Both have directed Game of Thrones, like Marvel Studio's first choice (Brian Kirk), so I suppose we know where they are going with the film.


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Marvel would be dumb to burn a bridge with someone they might want to work on with another project. Just a PC way of saying they did not agree and they went another way sort of thing.




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...I mean, sure, that excuse just about covers everything...but it doesn't really tell us why. The husband could be a cross-dressing tranny, or the wife could be shagging the entire LA Lakers roster...we really don't know other than "irreconcilable differences".

I am curious why Patty Jenkins would just drop the project which she was very much excited to do, and she has expressed her desires to direct a superhero flick. Something doesn't seem right.


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Both are interesting choices. I'm also happy with the potential new writers!


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    Both have directed Game of Thrones, like Marvel Studio's first choice (Brian Kirk), so I suppose we know where they are going with the film.



I find it a bit surprising that the producers of what one would anticipate to be an action film heavy on special effects would converge upon guys who, particularly in the case of Minahan, have worked almost exclusively in straightforward TV. Not that there's anything wrong with that. With that strategic direction, however, (sorry about the pun) I doubt a mega-budget will be attached to the project. That in turn really raises the ante on the screenplay - the story will have to carry most, if not all, of the weight. Once again, not that there's anything wrong with that (see: Spider Man II). But when it comes to comic-book movies that are reliant upon story...well, it's fair to state that Marvel has a spotty record (see: Electra, the FF films, Iron Man II, Daredevil, etc.)



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    ...I mean, sure, that excuse just about covers everything...but it doesn't really tell us why. The husband could be a cross-dressing tranny, or the wife could be shagging the entire LA Lakers roster...we really don't know other than "irreconcilable differences".



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    I am curious why Patty Jenkins would just drop the project which she was very much excited to do, and she has expressed her desires to direct a superhero flick. Something doesn't seem right.


Yes, but I prefer to look at it as a family squabbly. Maybe it got heated but in the worst case scenerio no one was publically humiliated so the bridge is not burned and they can still work with each other. Nasty divorces pretty much make enemies for life. I doubt this did.




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So apparently they seem to think they could cook something up, together.

She may well be great for another type of Marvel-movie, perhaps... Daredevil, if Fox let's it go, or maybe even Ms Marvel or perhaps she could direct a few of the Alias ( aka Jessie Jones) tv-series.


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Mighty_Thor




...So, I think they had minimal contribution in those films, other than consultants (maybe).

But I do agree with you. Why not get a director versed in action and CGI. A nice story is great, but the first Thor film was begging for more action-packed scenes. The ones we saw were kind of old-fashioned. Nothing wrong with that, but some "WOW" factors could have really elevated the first Thor movie. i hope they don't fancy Thor as a mere Game of Thrones (or LOTR for that matter) clone. Thor, although a fantasy flick, should also have the testosterone-filled superhero summer blockbuster feel to it. I know a lot of people praised the first Thor film, especially Branagh's influence...and "gravitas" has been used by a great number of reviewers...but some were likewise disappointed because it sorely lacked action (some even said that it's mediocre and followed a safe formula, without taking risks). Personally, i loved it, not for how it was but for what it is (finally, after two decades of being a Thor fan, I finally see a Thor live-action movie, something I didn't think possible)...but for "how" it was...well, it was great...the scenes in Asgard and Jotunheim were stand outs, but seriously, the earth scenes were kind of "meh". We need more action!

Sadly, Marvel is notorious for really stretching the budget, and they tend to cut corners whenever they can...like hiring relatively inexperienced, albeit talented, directors so they can get them cheap (relatively speaking, of course).


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Mighty_Thor




Charlie Sheen's divorce from Denise richards and Brooke Muller were both nasty, but they have learned to co-exist...Charlie and Brooke even sometimes do the nasty...and he also bailed her out recently...

Anyway, that's not even the point.

My point is, we really have no idea why Patty Jenkins quit. She could have read the draft and said - "OMG, this stinks, I can't be attached to this". I sincerely hope not. But without anything concrete, we can just speculate. If we just accept it as is, that's just fine. But i really wish we have a little more info than "creative differences".


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It was not a bad movie at all. It was not as good as the first film but I consider that one of the best comic movies and movies to come out in quite a while so that does not surprise me. I think there were parts that could have been better about it but I do not think it is the mess that the other movies you listed are. They had tons of problems that frankly IM2 did not have at all. I would say Punisher War Zone is by far the worst film that Marvel has made on its own.


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    I find it a bit surprising that the producers of what one would anticipate to be an action film heavy on special effects would converge upon guys who, particularly in the case of Minahan, have worked almost exclusively in straightforward TV. Not that there's anything wrong with that. With that strategic direction, however, (sorry about the pun) I doubt a mega-budget will be attached to the project. That in turn really raises the ante on the screenplay - the story will have to carry most, if not all, of the weight. Once again, not that there's anything wrong with that (see: Spider Man II). But when it comes to comic-book movies that are reliant upon story...well, it's fair to state that Marvel has a spotty record (see: Electra, the FF films, Iron Man II, Daredevil, etc.)







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I'm not certain about that. My understanding is that Marvel Enterprises (now the Disney-owned Marvel Entertainment, for which Marvel Studios is a subsidiary) received production credit for Daredevil, the FF movies, and Elektra, as well as the horrific Punisher movies. The way I see it, Producers carry ultimate responsibility for the quality of the finished product because NOTHING happens without their explicit approval, from choosing a director to adopting a marketing strategy. Directors, in contrast, typically do not even have final decision power over seemingly "Director" matters like casting or selection of screenwriters. That is why, if a film objectively or subjectively does poorly, I assign the first-level of blame to the producers.

As you stated, in the case of the upcoming Thor 2 movie it seems that the primary producers (namely, Marvel Entertainment) are opting for a "budget stretching" approach in their selection of a director. Fair enough - they are paying the bills, not me. But although everyone hopes the result will be an enjoyable film, it is equally fair, even at this early stage of production, for us to express concern about that strategy. Do you know if any casting or screenwriter decisions have been made?



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Mighty_Thor




Kind of like how it is rumored that Kenneth Branagh will be creditted as an "executive producer" in Thor 2 with very little input (except maybe one or two meetings asking him how he feels about certain directions of the project). Marvel Studios have been asked the progress of Wolverine and Spider-Man, and they often have no idea because those characters are being done by other movie studios (namely Sony and Fox).

With regard to Electra, DD and FF, Marvel owns the characters, so they were consulted, but the overall feel of the movie still rest with their respective Studios. The only movies released by Marvel Studios, so far, are the following: Iron Man, Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and now Avengers (and soon Iron man 3 and Thor 2).

Casting for Thor 2, so far, the one ones confirmed are Chris Hemsworth, Natalie Portman and tom Hiddleston. The cast for the Warriors Three and Sif have expressed their intention to join the film, but I don't know if any of them have officially signed in (Jamie Alexander, for example, have said that she doesn't have the 6 picture deal that Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston have). Screen-writers...they are still searching.


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You are indeed correct, the number of "gift" producer credits is certainly high (see: Jon Peters). I suppose it makes people feel good about themselves.

Based upon the movies you listed, Marvel Studios' hit/miss rate is such that we can perform a public service by helping them select a screenwriter. With the apparent money MS will save in the choice of director, I'm going to go 'off the board' with two suggestions for screenwriter:

Quentin Tarantino: I know, I know. Simply trying to imagine what he would create swamps my meager brain. But an off-beat (to say the least) take on a comic book story could be boffo! There certainly wouldn't be a dearth of scenes with gratuitous violence. An R rating, however, might not be what Marvel/Disney is desiring.

Brad Bird: A very talented guy. A movie like Thor 2 wouldn't (and perhaps shouldn't) be that far afield from the animated projects he has mostly worked on. And has he worked on any project that wasn't decent?



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