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adey


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Everywhere I look Thor seems to be drinking all the time whether he's Unworthy or not.
Yes, Thor does like a drink to celebrate a hard earned victory with his Asgardian friends whenever they've staved off a major threat to the realm but Marvel seem to have him drinking at most opportunities. Hes not Hercules ( where is he anyway ?) who loves to drink. So why are they going down this route with the character.
It just doesn't seem right and takes something away from his character.

Thoughts ?


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bd2999

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    Everywhere I look Thor seems to be drinking all the time whether he's Unworthy or not.
    Yes, Thor does like a drink to celebrate a hard earned victory with his Asgardian friends whenever they've staved off a major threat to the realm but Marvel seem to have him drinking at most opportunities. Hes not Hercules ( where is he anyway ?) who loves to drink. So why are they going down this route with the character.
    It just doesn't seem right and takes something away from his character.



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It generally has depended as often he drank alot under some outside writers even with Mjolnir. It is played up more or less. I do think it is more prevalent recently. However, it may be because of Axis?




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The Mandarin


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It's just part of the imagery of the barbarian archetype that they spend a lot of time wenching and drinking mead.

I'd say it's part of a change from Thor being a Paladin archetype to being a Barbarian archetype.

when Stan Lee first introduced him, Thor was basically a Paladin. He spent half his time as Donald Blake, a healer. He embodied a very modern, quasi-christian concept of nobility rather than viking ideals. A lot of the imagery surrounding him, right down to the angel-wings on his hat, were really more christian than viking.

Lately, though, they've increasingly dumped the quasi-christian stuff and re-imagined him as more of a barbarian. It's similar to what's happened wonder woman, with the Amazons becoming much more like the villainous creatures of myth.




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jazzbass6.2




Drinking is part of the whole Viking shtick.

Remember in the in the TV Hulk/Thor movie with Eric Allan Kramer? Thor emptied a six pack into a pitcher and used it as a glass.

In Thor, he was drinking in the bar with Selvig.

In Heroes Reborn, "Thor" was in a bar drinking while talking to Mjolnir.

Marvel is just apparently bringing more of a cultural more to Thor than anything thing else in the regard to the abundant drinking that is being shown. I don't see it as diminishing him in any way. Just consider the source material that was drawn upon.


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Sick Nick




... that's a part of the 'whole viking shtick' called raping and pillaging which is the thing most associated with vikings.

Do you think that will diminish Thor in any way if you consider the source material that was drawn upon?



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adey


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...interesting points because imagine if Thor did this how us fans would feel considering it is associated as part of Viking culture.

Imagine if this was something Thor did in the past that he'd forgotten about and Fury whispered it to him which made him unworthy.
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    ... that's a part of the 'whole viking shtick' called raping and pillaging which is the thing most associated with vikings.



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    Do you think that will diminish Thor in any way if you consider the source material that was drawn upon?





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fearcalypse 

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    Do you think that will diminish Thor in any way if you consider the source material that was drawn upon?


I think he could get away with the pillaging part. The big question would be: can he get away with the rape part? Me thinks not. If Marvel ever wanted to completely destroy the character of Thor, that is the way to do it.






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    I think he could get away with the pillaging part. The big question would be: can he get away with the rape part? Me thinks not. If Marvel ever wanted to completely destroy the character of Thor, that is the way to do it.


It didn't do Starfox any harm. That guy is a walking roofie and an Avenger!


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jazzbass6.2




"Heroes Reborn Thor" wanted to reave and pillage.

There was that other part of the story where he an Enchantress went off somewhere and it sure as Hel wasn't for coffee.


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fearcalypse 

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      I think he could get away with the pillaging part. The big question would be: can he get away with the rape part? Me thinks not. If Marvel ever wanted to completely destroy the character of Thor, that is the way to do it.



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    It didn't do Starfox any harm. That guy is a walking roofie and an Avenger!



Difference is though, that he was always a bit shady. So it's not a big jump to say he uses his powers to have sex with every hot woman he see's. Even then there is room to argue that it isn't rape. Was it rape when Moon Dragon put the mental whammy on Thor and had sex with him? I've never heard anyone say it was.







"James told me there's an old saying here on Earth: May you be in heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead.
Not sure if Turian heaven is the same as yours, but if this thing goes sideways and we both end up there, meet me at the bar."


Legion: "They will exterminate your species because their gods tell them to. You cannot negotiate with them. They do not share your pity, remorse, or fear."
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seeker


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    It didn't do Starfox any harm. That guy is a walking roofie and an Avenger!


IIRC, while Starfox's powers did influence She Hulk to marry John Jamenson Starfox was innocent of rape. The woman who accused him made it up to hide the affair from her husband and Thanos had implanted fake memories to accuse Starfox of making Thanos the way he is. So Starfox has done nothing like this.


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seeker


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    Was it rape when Moon Dragon put the mental whammy on Thor and had sex with him? I've never heard anyone say it was.


Some discussions I have seen on other boards say it is rape because she mentally enslaved him the same way Marcus raped Carol to give birth to him because he used machines to enslave her mind. These discussions generally find both examples disgusting and how they were glossed over in their initial stories. The latter one was at least somewhat addressed.



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    ... that's a part of the 'whole viking shtick' called raping and pillaging which is the thing most associated with vikings.



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    Do you think that will diminish Thor in any way if you consider the source material that was drawn upon?


1. The Vikings were no more "savage" or brutal than the Christians or many other peoples at the time. The Northmen were a civilized society a sort of more democratic form of government and greater women's rights than the Christians. They just suffered from bad PR because the Christians were the ones who wrote things down.

2. Not all Northmen were vikings. Most were in other professions. the actual raiders were a small minority and often had other jobs as well.

3. Marvel addressed this somewhat in the past by explaining Thor was ignorant of the full extent of the Viking attacks. He knew they would often sail to other lands to fight the warriors of those lands, but he did not know they were slaughtering defenseless people. Finding this out is what lead to him severing his ties with Earth.



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lrdmukasa




maybe fury whispered to thor that he couldn't even out drink a Viking baby boy

so he was now unworthy to wield the weapon of a Viking warrior.then he probably called him a big sissy Viking boy.


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Grey Gargoyle


Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008


In 'Loki, Agent of Asgard', the purpose is to show Loki, the main protagonist, as the attractive & clever trickster and Thor as the "sympathetic but rough around the edges warrior who drinks beers all the time".

In this book, I think that it has become a running gag.


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zvelf


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    Difference is though, that he was always a bit shady. So it's not a big jump to say he uses his powers to have sex with every hot woman he see's. Even then there is room to argue that it isn't rape. Was it rape when Moon Dragon put the mental whammy on Thor and had sex with him? I've never heard anyone say it was.


It is indeed rape in Moondragon's case. If Thor otherwise would not have had sex with her, then it's rape.




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