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Bird-Man of Akah Ma'at


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Is this garbage canon now?




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ThorTheMightiestAvenger


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Well it’s not officially confirmed, but Jason Aaron isn’t known for taking back his retcons. There was a scene in a recent issue where the Phoenix in the past says that Odin may need another child to mellow him out which I think is meant to imply that she is already pregnant with Thor. If I had to put money on it, I definitely would say it’s meant to be legit, which I hate.





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Bird-Man of Akah Ma'at


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It’s really a dam shame how Aaron is allowed to wreck and ruin one of Marvel’s most prominent and renowned characters. His whole Thor run was a disaster and his current Avengers run is equally as bad imo. If you’re a fan of chaotic and childish writing, this book is for you. As for his Phoenix “revelation”.. all I can say is THIS.

Not sure if there’s some big Phoenix event coming up in the MCU (Echo/Phoenix?) and this is the revelation they want to run with. If so, a much better candidate for a Phoenix offspring would be Adam Warlock imo.




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swmcbf


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I do not understand Aarons' thinking on Thor. IF the phoenix force is his mother then you possibly have the most powerful Thor ever yet he cannot beat an egg. There was a line from Stark asking if the Avengers are so mighty why are they getting weaker? I only glanced through the issue so that may have been out of context as to whether it had any real significance.


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He said we started all this with the most powerful group of Avengers ever!
So why do we keep getting weaker...

It was said because they were losing members to different circumstances! Had nothing to do with their actual powers and abilities.



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swmcbf


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That eliminates the only viable solution for Aarons treatment of Thor. Not that I really expected one.


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What are the biggest negatives you have from Aaron? To me he's just inconsistent with Thor's power level from time to time but when it's bad it's bad...though he does give Thor a great showing here and there...I mean he had him pretty much own two Russian Gods without taking a scratch.
But I know when he has the bad showings they're real bad


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Warhammer


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I had to scan Aaron's Avengers 1-50(750) in order to properly respond.

What scraps of "great showing" did Aaron show Thor in Avengers? "Beating 2 Russian gods without taking a scratch"? *Ahem* First of all, we do not know whether Thor took some scratches or not because the fight was largely off panel. There was one panel of Thor fighting them in issue #50, but that didn't tell the story of how that fight went down. The previous issue, Thor was shown about to confront them, but not the fight itself. Aaron didn't even show Thor after the fight, for all we know, he disappeared because he was on death's door and had to rush to an Asgardian medical clinic or something. Second, the 2 russian gods? Really? Those C-listers? Throw-away jobbers? The same two guys whom She-Hulk already swatted away with ease, when Thor was having trouble fighting their teammate, some kind of bear god or something in an earlier story. Those jabronies? Hahaha! Who cares in the grand scheme of things. That "off-panel victory" means nothing compared to how Aaron treated Thor in Avengers 1-50.

Here are Thor "showings" under Aaron in Avengers 1-50:

- he was relegated to a background character, with no meaningful storyline, nor was his presence essential to the team...he would beat some random vampire soldier, but at no point in the series was Thor vital in the storyline. His one sort of "story arc" in Avengers was the reveal that he is somehow the son of the Phoenix force....which was ultimately pointless, other than to change his mother from Gaea to the Phoenix force. Thor spent the rest of the story either chasing after the Phoenix for answers, Valkyrie restraining him, shouting...but was ultimately a non-factor in the story.

- not only was Thor not vital to the team, his presence sometimes create conflicts that the team had to overcome. Example, Thor was turned into a Brood. He acted like dumb Hulk, saying "thor strongest brood in the galaxy", fought Gladiator, but was brushed aside, fought Captain America, got knocked out with his own hammer after one hit...odin-powered Thor, brood enhanced, and yet, beaten with one hit from Captain America using his own hammer...then, when he woke up, the other Avengers treated him like a spoiled clueless kid when he asked "who moved the hammer", they said, "you did", when it was clearly Captain America. This was Odin-powered Thor????

- he was often shown to be drunk, or drinking...in Reborn, he was even passed out for most of it, because he was drunk. Tony even said that he hated going to Asgard because the air smelled like booze. Seriously???? Asgard? The Golden Realm? The realm eternal? Home of the gods? Smell like alcohol?

- Odin powered Thor lost to Moon Knight. Moon Knight?????? Because, ohhhhh....Mjolnir is a "moon rock"???? What kind of dumb thing is that??? And not only did Thor was beaten to unconsious by his own hammer and encased in moons (so stupid), Moon Knight took mjolnir and used it as his pet weapon. Is Moon Knight worthy now? To add insult to injury, the same Moon Knight who used mjolnir against Thor, lost against Black Panther immediately the next issue....because some ancient Black Panther wielded mjolnir in the past, so mjolnir honors that bloodline....what???? Mjolnir is Thor's weapon now, has been his weapon for thousands of years, and yet mjolnir refuse to hit Black Panther because of some bloodline, but mjolnir has no problem whatsoever repeatedly hitting Thor, his wielder now???? That is some crazy b.s. writing...only from Aaron, who obviously just want to demean Thor...or irk his fans. Whatever, he is a hack.

- ohhhh what else....Thor becoming monster She-Hulk's playmate, ohhhh about this....their "kiss" started when Thor collapsed because some snow was too cold...what???? Thor flies through space all the time. He can even go to a black hole with no ill effects. He can travel inside the sun. And yet some snow is too cold for him???? Wahhhh?

- Thor can't beat Cosmic Ghostrider...ok, forget that, Cosmic Ghostrider has the power cosmic, fine...Thor can't even beat Johnny Blaze....ok forget Johnny Blaze, Thor couldn't even beat Robbie????

There are more....but I think these examples are enough to prove my point....that Thor "beating" 2 throw-away c-list characters, like those 2 russian gods, "off-panel" no less, amount to even come close to squaring off all the horrible showings that Jason Aaron has subjected Thor in his Avengers 1-50 run.



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Thanks for you letting me know your Grievances...Though I don't recall asking I appreciate you chiming in..

I am well aware of most of the things you have listed and share the same frustrations but my question was for him alone because I wanted his opinion.

Don't read my words like I'm Aaron's biggest fan or something!

Maybe reread my words without assuming I'm faboying Aaron..

His King Thor was at least great.

Anyways thanks for your personal complaints on Aaron.


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swmcbf


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To be honest I thought his criticism of Thor in the Avengers was way to soft. \:\-\) For me it is a continuation of his use of Thor from his run. If your stomach does not churn with the prospect read some of Aaron's Thor material. young Thor was for the most part an arrogant fool though he did have cool moments. The first fight with Gorr comes to mind. Present Thor was the constantly whiny, loser, also drunken buffoon, that it was painful just to read. Meanwhile Jane/Thor was kicking butts and doing things that Thor himself was incapable of accomplishing. Old King Thor was a loser for millions of years and outside of a decent battle with Galactus which required the sword to win was pitiful. At one point Gorr defeated all three together. It was so bad that by the end of his run with the redemption that it did not even come across as a triumphant moment but just like spitting out a bad piece of fish. Glad it was over but still leaving a horrible aftertaste you can not get rid of for a long time. Then of course I realized Mr. Aaron was taking over Avengers and the whole bad fish analogy repeats itself. Not sure if that answers your question but it was the best I can do with the taste of rotted fugu still rolling around the subject.


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Sometimes I have to be reminded of all the horrendous things Aaron put Thor through..
One can get Stockholm syndrome after awhile with such writing!
It's like being starved for days and fed a strawberry but only one...then you get fed some stale chips..
Starved again get one strawberry and rince and repeat! Lmao!

Dude starves you for great feats so much that any decent showing pops up and you become grateful for! Lmao!




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