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As far as who you want Thor's real mom to be?


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I will say that it seems likely that the Phoenix is going to end up not replacing Gaea as Thor's mother, but being somehow involved in his birth in a peripheral way. Aaron has dragged this out so much it seems like things are more complicated than they first appear. My prediction is that somehow both Gaea and the Phoenix are going to be Thor's mother somehow. Like somehow Phoenix merged with Gaea or possessed her or was the architect of their union. Or perhaps Gaea was some kind of surrogate mother than carried Thor and birthed him.

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Such Gravitas to the Thor mythos! The product of Heaven and Earth!
There was always something Majestic and perfect about the Union of Odin and Mother Earth to create Thor the Thunder god! Ruler of the sky that sits between both Heaven and Earth!
It just made sense on an epic and grand scale!

If it wasn't for that well then Thor being the Son of the Phoenix would be insanely cool!

But it's because of the great already established parentage of Thor that it just doesn't hit the mark like it should!

I mean Thor being the son of the Phoenix should be something celebrated and epic!

Sadly it's not because of the reasons I've listed!

I won't be upset either way...
As being the Son of the Phoenix puts Thor on an even greater scale but the mythos of being mother earths son will be sorely missed!

Here's hoping they win us over with their decision!


Heck who knows maybe Thor is the son of both Mothers...Heimdall had 9 mothers didn't he? Lol!

I wouldn't mind this route, gods aren't supposed to make sense after all especially ones written in comics.




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Heck make Fire hair be a form of Gaea!
She said long ago that she appeared to Odin in one of her more voluptuous guises!

Why not Fire Hair? Would make sense to me!

Yeah they created a lil origin for her already but perhaps her true origin was being Jord and being put under a spell and made to live life as a mortal cave woman...who Odin came upon later...

Between that time and the time she meets Thor she could of regained her previous memories and just omitted that when she told Thor she was his mother the first time to save time.

I mean that makes the most sense to me.


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    I will say that it seems likely that the Phoenix is going to end up not replacing Gaea as Thor's mother, but being somehow involved in his birth in a peripheral way. Aaron has dragged this out so much it seems like things are more complicated than they first appear. My prediction is that somehow both Gaea and the Phoenix are going to be Thor's mother somehow. Like somehow Phoenix merged with Gaea or possessed her or was the architect of their union. Or perhaps Gaea was some kind of surrogate mother than carried Thor and birthed him.



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Great point, perhaps they are going to say Gaea is an aspect of Phoenix (The whole life, death and rebirth cycle) ...or visa versa. It is kinda strange how Gaea is not responding to Thor's call...


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    Heck make Fire hair be a form of Gaea!
    She said long ago that she appeared to Odin in one of her more voluptuous guises!



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    Why not Fire Hair? Would make sense to me!



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    Yeah they created a lil origin for her already but perhaps her true origin was being Jord and being put under a spell and made to live life as a mortal cave woman...who Odin came upon later...



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    Between that time and the time she meets Thor she could of regained her previous memories and just omitted that when she told Thor she was his mother the first time to save time.



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    I mean that makes the most sense to me.

What I think might be interesting is if Thor had another half sibling who's real mom was Phoenix. Kinda like what Atum is...




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Gaea. It’s part of his identity and ethos as the god of Thunder we know.

The Phoenix makes no sense to me whatsoever. I’ll take Kelda Stormrider over the Phoenix.






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And Thor's place in it...
Like it or not The Phoenix being Thor's mother elevates him to greater levels in the grand scheme of the universe.

Saying Kelda for reasons I can only assume because she's another lightning user is cute and all but it adds absolutely nothing to Thor at all...she has no grand placement in the Marvel Universe unlike the Phoenix or Gaea!

Heck may as well say Aunt May! Lmao!


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Mother earth, as that made perfect sense in the saga Thor against the 4th Celestial Host!


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Makes sense that Gaia was his Mother, as Odin wanted to make sure Thor would stay as powerful on earth as in Asgard!


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It throws away all past continuity, and makes his greatest saga alone against the Celestials a sham!


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Just glad Cates and Arron were not part of Marvel during the great stories for Thor such as search for Galactus, against Ego, and the Celestials, as they would have totally screwed them up!


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You trust current writers to "handle it correctly?"


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All of Aaron's retcons need to be erased from existence.


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As if mangling his character wasn’t enough, Aaron the God Butcher is now hacking away at his identity. You gotta be f@#kin kidding me. There’s definitely no need or appeal to replace Gaea that I can fathom. I’ll take Kelda over the Phoenix any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Thor has always been as powerful as he needs to be, it’s one of his most defining attributes. What needs to be addressed after Aaron’s catastrophic aftermath is not power levels but character and good storytelling. A creative writer shouldn’t need to make a character “more powerful” to increase their popularity or allure. If so, he isn’t a very good writer. Besides, that’s what we have Galactus, Celestials, Beyonders, and Squirrel Girl for.

I wouldn’t mind a story where Kelda, given her storm powers and ambiguous origin, was revealed as his mother as an aspect of Gaea. I obviously wouldn’t prefer it over the canonical origin.. but definitely over the Phoenix. There absolutely isn’t any relevancy with the Phoenix dynamic whatsoever, not to mention all the mutant connotations attached to the Phoenix, it’s just absurd and plain stupid. It adds nothing to the “great scheme of the universe” aside from giving Eternity a migraine.




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    As if mangling his character wasn’t enough, Aaron the God Butcher is now hacking away at his identity. You gotta be f@#kin kidding me. There’s definitely no need or appeal to replace Gaea that I can fathom. I’ll take Kelda over the Phoenix any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Thor has always been as powerful as he needs to be, it’s one of his most defining attributes. What needs to be addressed after Aaron’s catastrophic aftermath is not power levels but character and good storytelling. A creative writer shouldn’t need to make a character “more powerful” to increase their popularity or allure. If so, he isn’t a very good writer. Besides, that’s what we have Galactus, Celestials, Beyonders, and Squirrel Girl for.



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    I wouldn’t mind a story where Kelda, given her storm powers and ambiguous origin, was revealed as his mother as an aspect of Gaea. I obviously wouldn’t prefer it over the canonical origin.. but definitely over the Phoenix. There absolutely isn’t any relevancy with the Phoenix dynamic whatsoever, not to mention all the mutant connotations attached to the Phoenix, it’s just absurd and plain stupid. It adds nothing to the “great scheme of the universe” aside from giving Eternity a migraine.


Gaea as an elder god is powerful enough IMO. And I agree making Thor more powerful doesn't make him any more likeable. They've tried that with Captain Marvel and we all see how that worked out.




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    As far as who you want Thor's real mom to be?


Its Gaea.

Anything else is just the evils of deconstruction at play; destroying what came before to give itself a shred of relevance.






You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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When you can simply say Gaea or nobody!
Simple as that...you complicate your argument and unintentionally become a hypocrite by suggesting Kelda!
Your main gripe is that you hate them changing what came before but are perfectly okay if it was Kelda! Lmao!
I'm sorry but that's hilarious!

No true Fan wants anyone else but Jord/Gaea trust me.

But if it has to be anyone, well The Phoenix is not just anybody! It highers the cosmic scales of Thor's placement!

Again they Say The Phoenix! Not the Cave woman that was the Phoenix but the Phoenix.

So yeah I'd rather they keep Jord as his mother but if they plan on changing it well how could you not want it to be the Phoenix?


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    What I think might be interesting is if Thor had another half sibling who's real mom was Phoenix. Kinda like what Atum is...


How’s about..

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You are Suggesting Kelda after Complaining about changing Thor's mother from Jord!
So why Suggest anyone?

The fact that you chose Kelda shows a very simplistic thought process!

Oh she's a Storm Goddess lets choose her because we only seen her 4 times if that!

Even Though Thor is probably older than her!

But she has storm powers! Hahaha!

How cute!

You're all over the place!

Your main complaint is that they are changing his mother but yet you Suggest someone else! Lmao!

Kelda is just a run of the mill Asgardian with no significance to the Marvel Universe at all!

Suggesting her doesn't elevate Thor's status at all!

And the thought itself is simple and childish to me...

Just me that's how I personally see it. Lol!


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Ok. I do not want to see Gaea replaced with the Phoenix. I can’t think of a common denominator that would give the Thor/Phoenix dynamic any relevancy and I don’t think it’s a development that would benefit or compliment Thor in any way whatsoever. My point is Aaron doesn’t even substitute Gaea with a conceivable replacement. Kelda is just an example of at least considering applicable corresponding elements in your characterization. Not that I necessarily want Kelda to be his mother.




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I don't want Gaea replaced but I don't habe a choice really...
So if we are left with no choice, well at least it's the Cosmic entity the Phoenix!
It opens the door for some interesting stories that we haven't had as of yet.

Thor being the child of Odin and Phoenix puts him on a higher scale in the Universe!

Considering what each brings to it.

It's an interesting decision and I'm interested in where it goes story wise!

Where would our story direction go if Kelda was his mother? Example or not it wasn't a very good suggestion at all.

But we're past that now.




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Glad you’re enjoying the show.

Have a great day.




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Exactly. Not to mention She-Hulk, it’s beyond ridiculous lol.





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    And Thor's place in it...
    Like it or not The Phoenix being Thor's mother elevates him to greater levels in the grand scheme of the universe.


No it doesn't. If your argument is that being the son of the Phoenix is more lofty than being the son of an Elder God, well maybe (a big maybe) on paper -- but Franklin Richards, Jim Jaspers and Clyde Wyncham are more powerful than all of them, and they are mutants; technically human.

The only thing limiting a character's potential is the writer's imagination, and the only reason to add Phoenix to Thor's lineage is if it makes stories more interesting.

Which I would argue it doesn't. The Phoenix is cosmically boring.


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