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Golem

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Subject: God of hammers Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 12:11:48 pm CST (Viewed 483 times) |
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So, Mjolnir her/him/itself is -apparently- the God of Hammers. Unless something seriously important is revealed or changes as the story goes (and I don't think it will), this is a new level of stupidity imo.
Retcon after retcon after retcon after retcon ad nauseam for almost 20 years now. Pffff!
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Zelandoni 
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Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Golem] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 01:18:33 pm CST (Viewed 298 times) |
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From enchanted hammer to Mother Storm to God of Hammers..all of that in just a few years.
Gotta admit, didn't see this one coming at all.
In a way, it kind of makes sense when you think about it. If there was a God of Hammers, it would have to be Mjolnir right? I mean it/he/she is the hammer of hammers...
Edit: Mjolnir wielding Mjolnir is a bit...weird...
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CHOSEN 1!!!

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Subject: I called it!... [Re: Golem] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 01:26:42 pm CST (Viewed 281 times) |
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Also I believe that's the Motherstorm Holding Mjolnir! Together they are the God of Hammers...
Probably why The Phoenix hates it as she's Thor's mother and Probably predicted this coming to pass....
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Golem] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 03:02:35 pm CST (Viewed 270 times) |
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So Odin never had it created?
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JesusFan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Zelandoni] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 03:03:56 pm CST (Viewed 241 times) |
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So was it created by Odin then, or enchanted by him at all?
Or did he find it, and forced it to become like his slave as weapon for Thor?
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CHOSEN 1!!!

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Subject: Yes... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 04:15:47 pm CST (Viewed 277 times) |
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If you Read the comic Etrie is still the creator of it!
Odin trapped the Motherstorm within and that's obviously who is holding the hammer at the end of the issue!
Calling herself the god of Hammers!
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JesusFan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: Yes... [Re: CHOSEN 1!!!] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 04:26:08 pm CST (Viewed 231 times) |
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The Motherstorm is exactly what then?
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Golem

Member Since: Wed Dec 20, 2017
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Subject: Re: I called it!... [Re: CHOSEN 1!!!] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 04:41:55 pm CST (Viewed 218 times) |
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Well, at the very least - and it's just one panel so, who knows - Mjolnir is sentient itself and if that's the figure of the Motherstorm, it most likely has taken over as he/she/it goes by the name of Mjolnir.
Nonetheless, it's so stupid to re-re-retcon things all the time. MU has long lost any sense of continuity, but they always find some way to make it even worse.
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CHOSEN 1!!!

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Subject: Exactly what it sounds like... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 04:58:43 pm CST (Viewed 239 times) |
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A Sentient cosmic MotherStorm...you can look it a up bro. It was featured pretty heavily in Janes Thor run.
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CHOSEN 1!!!

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Subject: Well if you actually read Thor you'll know that... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 06:22:19 pm CST (Viewed 225 times) |
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Etrie Created Mjolnir! And Odin Enchanted it and trapped the MotherStorm within it!
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swmcbf

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 4,053
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Subject: Re: Well if you actually read Thor you'll know that... [Re: CHOSEN 1!!!] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 08:56:02 pm CST (Viewed 228 times) |
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Not everybody read's a lot of comics every week. That is one of the reason's these board's exist. We can keep up and maybe even buy some that sound interesting.
The Mother Storm actually makes sense, though most of us whiffed, when you think about recent Thor history.
it is just that continuity is rare and I sometimes do not see it through the dread. Speaking just for myself Cates is doing well on Thor except when he goes up against one of his other projects. Kind of worries me about this upcoming Hulk vs. Thor arc. We remember what happened in the last Hulk vs. animated movie. I am delighted Yost does not seem to have anything Thor related lately-or is he still doing work on TL&T? Same with Jeph Loeb. I kind of thought it might be Etrie powered by the mother storm. That would have been a GoH in the truest fashion. I know he died last issue but the spotlight on him just made me wonder. Plus no fair calling the mother storm a god when it is should be goddess, I am not positive it is her though it seems apparent. What is Storm doing these days?
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Ravenseye8

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Subject: It isn't the first time it's manifested and spoke [Re: Golem] Posted Wed Jan 05, 2022 at 10:58:50 pm CST (Viewed 246 times) |
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In Jason Aaron's Mighty Thor #11, Mjolnir manifests and speaks to Jane Foster. It says it took an enormous amount of power to speak to her like that, and it probably would take a century of rest before it could do so again. Mjolnir did it to protect her civilian identity.
I'm guessing Cates is building off this thread from Aaron.
"For I am lord of the winds, and the storm. Thunder and lightning are my hunting dogs, the rain is my whip, and when I must I ride a great and terrible steed - the earthquake! Nothing mortal can stand before it."
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Jason Ireland

Member Since: Sat Oct 29, 2016
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Subject: More proof...... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 03:57:47 am CST (Viewed 257 times) |
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That you don't read the books at all.
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Upper_Krust

Member Since: Fri Aug 21, 2015
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Subject: Gender fl-uru-id [Re: Golem] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 07:15:39 am CST (Viewed 242 times) |
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Hate to be pedantic but shouldn't it be the GODDESS of Hammers, given its the MOTHER-Storm. then again maybe the hammer is gender fl-uru-id.
Quote: So, Mjolnir her/him/itself is -apparently- the God of Hammers. Unless something seriously important is revealed or changes as the story goes (and I don't think it will), this is a new level of stupidity imo.
Quote: Retcon after retcon after retcon after retcon ad nauseam for almost 20 years now. Pffff!
Its all about short term sales spikes orchestrated via controversial continuity u-turns. Its called deconstruction. They'll change everything you love about a character but expect you to still buy it out of brand loyalty and fandom.
You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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Spike

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Golem] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 08:02:47 am CST (Viewed 230 times) |
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I'm really sorry but like I said a long time ago, I'm not going to waste my time and money on these absurd comics.
Cates keeps pulling the rope until he is tired with the nonsense Aaron brought in, it's not worth all this at all.
The origin of the Hammer for me is still the one they established decades ago and not this madness that they have been trying to sell us for a few years.
If in the future a decent author sweeps away everything that Fraction introduced, Aaron and Cates might buy a comic of my favorite character again.
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Immodicus

Member Since: Wed Jun 24, 2020
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Subject: Re: More proof...... [Re: Jason Ireland] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 09:31:51 am CST (Viewed 209 times) |
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Quote: That you don't read the books at all.
I'm sorry but Marvel continuity is utterly broken and these are totally fair questions in the Cates/Aaron-era.
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Immodicus

Member Since: Wed Jun 24, 2020
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Subject: Re: Yes... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 09:32:45 am CST (Viewed 185 times) |
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Quote: The Motherstorm is exactly what then?
A garbage-tier retcon that Jason Aaron created.
Basically another retcon designed to lessen Odin's importance and power in the Thor mythos.
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Immodicus

Member Since: Wed Jun 24, 2020
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Spike] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 09:36:54 am CST (Viewed 210 times) |
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Quote: Cates keeps pulling the rope until he is tired with the nonsense Aaron brought in, it's not worth all this at all.
Cates considers Aaron his mentor and names Aaron's Thor run as his **ALL-TIME** favorite comic run.
That's who you're dealing with here.
Cates will not get tired of propping up the nonsense Aaron brought it. He publicly venerates it and happily mimics it.
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Spike

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Immodicus] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 10:14:56 am CST (Viewed 204 times) |
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You're totally right, that's why I'm not wasting time with this comic, it's clear from the beginning that Cates is not going to do anything good with Thor.
Spending money on this comic is giving the wrong message, since we make Marvel believe that Cates is doing things right when on the contrary it is a disaster.
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JesusFan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: Golem] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:31:01 am CST (Viewed 237 times) |
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So a Cosmic storm is a sentient being?
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JesusFan

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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Subject: Re: Gender fl-uru-id [Re: Upper_Krust] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:35:00 am CST (Viewed 188 times) |
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Could it be that she will now be the "Mother of Thor"?
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: It isn't the first time it's manifested and spoke [Re: Ravenseye8] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:36:40 am CST (Viewed 185 times) |
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It seems to prefer jane to Thor!
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: More proof...... [Re: Immodicus] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:37:56 am CST (Viewed 193 times) |
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When was the last time Thor had a decent writer, who followed prior continuity?
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: Yes... [Re: Immodicus] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:41:02 am CST (Viewed 181 times) |
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The Hammer was created and empowered by odin still though?
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JesusFan

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Subject: Re: Well if you actually read Thor you'll know that... [Re: swmcbf] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 11:42:33 am CST (Viewed 193 times) |
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When did Odin fight and entrap it then?
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makkari1

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008 Posts: 4,455
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Subject: Re: Yes... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 01:46:53 pm CST (Viewed 166 times) |
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Quote: The Hammer was created and empowered by Odin still though?
Based on what Jack Kirby and Stan Lee wrote back in the day when Thoe was new to Marvel, yes it was Odin's power that enchanted the hammer and made it to what we thought we knew about Mjolnir. Aaron had destroyed that concept and threw it out the window. Now anything is possible, and continuity be dammed. This means twenty years from now a new PC writer will come along and makeup some crap about the hammer being made by Galactus' grandmother two universes ago. I stopped buying Thor when Marvel went all PC and they are going down a path I cannot follow or spend money on.
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CHOSEN 1!!!

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Subject: Bro why not pay 9 bucks a month for Marvel Unlimited?... [Re: JesusFan] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 02:35:42 pm CST (Viewed 179 times) |
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Then when we give you the source you can instantly check it out or you can actually you know start reading and doing your research.
You're obviously interested and so it's not a bad investment man...just saying
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Immodicus

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Subject: Re: Yes... [Re: makkari1] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 02:49:19 pm CST (Viewed 164 times) |
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Quote: Based on what Jack Kirby and Stan Lee wrote back in the day when Thoe was new to Marvel, yes it was Odin's power that enchanted the hammer and made it to what we thought we knew about Mjolnir. Aaron had destroyed that concept and threw it out the window. Now anything is possible, and continuity be dammed. This means twenty years from now a new PC writer will come along and makeup some crap about the hammer being made by Galactus' grandmother two universes ago. I stopped buying Thor when Marvel went all PC and they are going down a path I cannot follow or spend money on.
JesusFan, to add to Makkari's statement the Hammer was originally forged by Eitri the dwarf at Odin's behest it was Odin that supplied the power and enchantments that granted Mjolnir its signature abilities (worthiness enchantment, portal creation, affinity for channeling Asgardian energies/Thor's power, etc.) and virtual indestructability.
Aaron decided Odin's enchantments would no longer be the source of Mjolnir's power and instead vilified and lessened Odin by "revealing" that Odin trapped the "Mother Storm" inside of Mjolnir and SHE/IT is real source of Mjolnir's abilities.
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Immodicus

Member Since: Wed Jun 24, 2020
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Subject: Re: Bro why not pay 9 bucks a month for Marvel Unlimited?... [Re: CHOSEN 1!!!] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 02:53:33 pm CST (Viewed 200 times) |
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Quote: Then when we give you the source you can instantly check it out or you can actually you know start reading and doing your research.
You're obviously interested and so it's not a bad investment man...just saying
Better yet instead of supporting writers like Cates and Aaron read the their comics bootleg if morbid curiosity gets the better of you.
No comic penned by Donny Cates or Jason Aaron will ever get one cent from me personally.
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Immodicus

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Subject: Re: God of hammers [Re: JesusFan] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 02:55:45 pm CST (Viewed 231 times) |
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Vingthor

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Subject: Re: More proof...... [Re: Immodicus] Posted Thu Jan 06, 2022 at 04:59:16 pm CST (Viewed 199 times) |
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Immodicus, I appreciate you rallying to the defence of "innocent" Jesusfan. But surely you must have realised by now that Jesusfan lurks around this message board just to annoy. S/he is not invested in the Thor character, history, or mythos at all, but pretends sympathy and interest to ruffle feathers when he can. S/he'll ask a few inane and puerile and leading questions, but when there's an emotive issue that will allow him/her to, s/he'll typically draw attention to it with relish in a way that allows her/him to subtly (or not) insult the character.
For those who have a genuine interest in Thor, they need not have read the comics to engage intelligently with fans, but for someone who posts so often on this board and who raises so many questions, one would expect him/her to be more knowledgeable. It is quite funny, really.
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