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Thor #24 happens to be the 750th Thor issue via Legacy numbering and they are certainly bringing out the big guns. I wasn’t shocked to see Simonson’s name since he’s done a couple variant covers and small stories for Thor in recent years, but Stracynski? I don’t think he’s written Thor since his run ended. I’ve always been a fan of his Thor run and it was a shame that it got cut short, so anything would be great. Also delightfully surprised to see Jurgens here. Read it for yourselves:

“This April, the halls of Asgard will erupt with thunder as its greatest legends return home to tell thrilling new tales in an oversized spectacular honoring 750 issues of Thor!

THOR #24 will take place in the aftermath of "GOD OF HAMMERS," the latest epic in writer Donny Cates and artist Nic Klein's hit run on the title. After a scorched-earth victory, Thor and all of Asgard reel from a brutal loss. And as Thor and his allies come together so will fan-favorite creators from throughout Thor's history! In addition to the main story by Cates and Klein, join some of Thor's most acclaimed writers and artists as they revisit their landmark runs with all-new adventures:

Writer J. Michael Straczynski and artist Oliver Coipel reunite for a story set during their redefining Thor saga

Legendary comics creator Dan Jurgens writes and draws an incredible Thor and Balder teamup

Comics icon Walter Simonson writes and draws an all-new adventure starring his beloved creation, Beta Ray Bill

Al Ewing and Lee Garbett collaborate for the first time since LOKI: AGENT OF ASGARD to bring you an all-new chapter for the god of mischief

Superstar team Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz are back together to captivate you with an Enchantress story

And prepare for a revelatory tale about Odin that only writer Jason Aaron and artist Das Pastoras can deliver!

Celebrate the long and storied history of the God of Thunder with the writers and artists who helped build his legacy when THOR #24 hits stands in April.”

Even with an Aaron Odin story, that’s a pretty solid lineup.





FOR ASGARD!!!
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Late Great Donald Blake

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Upper_Krust


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...absolutely.

...albeit for just one ish.

I do miss it though. \:'\(




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Upper_Krust


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...read those stories in issue #750 written by Jason Aaron and Donny Cates.

You have a great day LGDB buddy! ;\-\)




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Carlos


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Personally I want to read that Enchantress story by DeFalco and Frenz I remember their first story that it was Thor 383 just after Simonson's last story.

I never liked the fact he killed off Lorelei the way they did.



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Upper_Krust


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...I thought to myself; Carlos will be smiling.


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    Personally I want to read that Enchantress story by DeFalco and Frenz I remember their first story that it was Thor 383 just after Simonson's last story.



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    I never liked the fact he killed off Lorelei the way they did.


Happy New Year Carlos buddy! \:\-\)




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Late Great Donald Blake

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You too, man!!


LGDB


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Upper_Krust


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    You too, man!!

;\-\)

Hold up though. I just saw the recent depiction of Thor. How the heck do you defend this nonsense?

He looks like an emaciated, sickly, 70-year old vagrant who has lost the will to live.

I understand this is all part of the continued agenda to destroy aspirational white male heroes...

...but how do the rest of you justify it to yourselves?






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Late Great Donald Blake

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What's this from?


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Upper_Krust


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    What's this from?


He looks weak and frail.
He looks disheveled and dirty.
He looks old and tired.
He looks broken and defeated.

He looks terrible.

What happened to the aspirational, confident, handsome, muscular hero?

Is that no longer allowed in this era of comics? ...and yes that is rhetorical because we both know the dogma responsible.







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Not in terms of dress obviously, but more rough and ready. Like someone fully capable of killing someone with a giant hammer. I definitely see what you guys are saying about him looking more gaunt. That's basically just how Nic Klein does faces. I totally understand not loving it, but it's not really something he applies just to Thor.

I'm not getting the idea that he's more dirty, but certainly tired. Thor's kinda going through it in this story so it makes sense they're going for haggard here. But I disagree he's not muscular. Quite the contrary. See pics That being said I'm pretty glad
They're not trying to make him look like a model who body builds. That stuff always looks kinda like a parody of what a viking god warrior would look like. I gotta tell you man, I love Nic Klein's Thor. I don't think it's denigrating at all. Quite the opposite.

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P.S. for here's a pic of a famous Thor image... do you really think Klein Thor is smaller?


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Upper_Krust


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    Not in terms of dress obviously, but more rough and ready.


Like a starving homeless man is 'ready' to jump the soup queue at the shelter.


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    Like someone fully capable of killing someone with a giant hammer.


...if he could muster up the strength to lift it...were the hammer not a rebellious female intelligence - suppressed for decades by the patriarchy.


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    I definitely see what you guys are saying about him looking more gaunt. That's basically just how Nic Klein does faces. I totally understand not loving it, but it's not really something he applies just to Thor.


It applies to most of the male characters in Marvel. Heroic proportions are out of fashion at the House of Progressive Ideas.


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    I'm not getting the idea that he's more dirty, but certainly tired. Thor's kinda going through it in this story so it makes sense they're going for haggard here.


He's been haggard since the start of the run and probably most of Aaron's previous run!


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    But I disagree he's not muscular. Quite the contrary. See pics


You cherry picked that cover piece - the one place they still might try to con those of lapsed interest Thor is still a positive role model.

The artist probably hadn't got the editorial mandate at that point to make him look like a depressed septuagenarian.

Use some of the interior art from the past year. Is there a healthy, muscular Thor anywhere to be found?


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    That being said I'm pretty glad They're not trying to make him look like a model who body builds. That stuff always looks kinda like a parody of what a viking god warrior would look like.


He should look like a 'roided superhuman male model (like the headline banner in this forum). He's an aspirational ideal, not every other average looking guy you meet who is having a bad day.


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    I gotta tell you man, I love Nic Klein's Thor. I don't think it's denigrating at all. Quite the opposite.


LOL.


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    P.S. for here's a pic of a famous Thor image... do you really think Klein Thor is smaller?


Cherry picked - lets see some interiors.

That art is probably what Klein thought he would look like in the run before he was told to draw a scraggly, depressed vagrant.




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Late Great Donald Blake

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I don't know man. I just think you're being a bit paranoid. Like, I don't think these authors are all consciously ideologically motivated to girlify men or suborniate them to castrating women or anything. Okay... maybe Jason Aaron lol


Like a starving homeless man is 'ready' to jump the soup queue at the shelter.

LGDB: I feel like you don't have a lot of experience with homeless people. But I'll tell you what, if I met one with a Thor hammer I would definitely give him money.



...if he could muster up the strength to lift it...were the hammer not a rebellious female intelligence - suppressed for decades by the patriarchy.


LGDB: I feel like you almost know too much about this stuff lol



It applies to most of the male characters in Marvel. Heroic proportions are out of fashion at the House of Progressive Ideas.


LGDB: Wait so you think Marvel artists are ALL (or mostly) trying to denigrate men? (What about the guys that have been working there for a while?



You cherry picked that cover piece - the one place they still might try to con those of lapsed interest Thor is still a positive role model

The artist probably hadn't got the editorial mandate at that point to make him look like a depressed septuagenarian.

Use some of the interior art from the past year. Is there a healthy, muscular Thor anywhere to be found?


LGDB: Thor IS a positive role model! Do you REALLY think it's an editorial mandate. And yeah absolutely lots of muscular Thor.

And do you really think there's an editorial mandate?

And I added some interiors here. I dunno man. He looks pretty yoked to me.


He should look like a 'roided superhuman male model (like the headline banner in this forum). He's an aspirational ideal, not every other average looking guy you meet who is having a bad day.


LGDB: yeah, but roided up male models aren't even that strong relative to like power lifters and stuff. And I think you're exaggerating about him looking small. Plus their are plenty of Thor artists in the past that didn't make Thor much bigger if at all bigger. I don't think Walt's Thor is bigger than Klein's for instance.




That art is probably what Klein thought he would look like in the run before he was told to draw a scraggly, depressed vagrant.


LGDB: I don't know man. Are you sure you're not being paranoid?



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Upper_Krust


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    I don't know man. I just think you're being a bit paranoid. Like, I don't think these authors are all consciously ideologically motivated to girlify men or suborniate them to castrating women or anything. Okay... maybe Jason Aaron lol

\:\-D


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    Like a starving homeless man is 'ready' to jump the soup queue at the shelter.



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    LGDB: I feel like you don't have a lot of experience with homeless people. But I'll tell you what, if I met one with a Thor hammer I would definitely give him money.


At least we know he'd be worthy.


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    ...if he could muster up the strength to lift it...were the hammer not a rebellious female intelligence - suppressed for decades by the patriarchy.



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    LGDB: I feel like you almost know too much about this stuff lol


Its almost like I can read his mind (in reality his playbook).


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    It applies to most of the male characters in Marvel. Heroic proportions are out of fashion at the House of Progressive Ideas.



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    LGDB: Wait so you think Marvel artists are ALL (or mostly) trying to denigrate men? (What about the guys that have been working there for a while?


I'm likely exaggerating. I don't read any modern Marvel comics and my contemporary familiarity with them probably amounts to current Thor and X-Men.


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    Use some of the interior art from the past year. Is there a healthy, muscular Thor anywhere to be found?



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    LGDB: Thor IS a positive role model! Do you REALLY think it's an editorial mandate. And yeah absolutely lots of muscular Thor.



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    And do you really think there's an editorial mandate?


Honestly no, but at the same time there sure as heck ain't anyone employed at Marvel that does not fully support such an agenda.


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    And I added some interiors here. I dunno man. He looks pretty yoked to me.


I stand corrected. I'll admit he looks muscular in those pictures - albeit still a disheveled, depressed 70 year old...which is not the heroic ideal people aspire to.


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    He should look like a 'roided superhuman male model (like the headline banner in this forum). He's an aspirational ideal, not every other average looking guy you meet who is having a bad day.



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    LGDB: yeah, but roided up male models aren't even that strong relative to like power lifters and stuff.


You are nitpicking as a deflection tactic.

I'm saying he needs to be handsome and muscular. Thor, much like Superman should always be an aspirational ideal and role model.

I don't aspire to being a raggedy, 70 year old and I certainly don't aspire to being molested in a Russian Gulag for 8 months either.


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    And I think you're exaggerating about him looking small. Plus their are plenty of Thor artists in the past that didn't make Thor much bigger if at all bigger. I don't think Walt's Thor is bigger than Klein's for instance.


You are still dancing around the issue.

Thor is no longer drawn as an aspirational hero.

Now you could argue the point of the story is to weigh him down with problems but that 'deconstruction' has been going on 8 years or more now. Its never going to change.

Aaron's Thor in his Avengers run is still more or less handsome (and somewhat Hemsworth-esque), though I suspect Aaron's angling to insert that (She)Hulk & Thor romance into pop culture which utterly emasculates Thor beyond Aaron's original hit piece on the character (ie. His Thor run).


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    That art is probably what Klein thought he would look like in the run before he was told to draw a scraggly, depressed vagrant.



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    LGDB: I don't know man. Are you sure you're not being paranoid?


See what Marvel comics have done to me. \:\-\)

It will be interesting to see how Thor is depicted in the various stories of issue #750.




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Honestly no, but at the same time there sure as heck ain't anyone employed at Marvel that does not fully support such an agenda.

LGDB: Yeah that's a good point; it's not as if they'd have to be told what to think, but they likely wouldn't be hired if they were resistant to it.


You are nitpicking as a deflection tactic.

I'm saying he needs to be handsome and muscular. Thor, much like Superman should always be an aspirational ideal and role model.

I don't aspire to being a raggedy, 70 year old and I certainly don't aspire to being molested in a Russian Gulag for 8 months either.


LGDB: that last one seems out of left field lol But I think precisely the thing you're annoyed by is something I like about Klein's art, it reminds me of the old are you'd see in Heavy Metal magazine. I do think it's an intentional kind of roughness or even ugliness, but I think that's kind of part of the charm. Also, I think this story has more of a mature feel than some of other Thor interpretations. I don't think this is necessarily better, but I think there's room to have these kinds of various interpretations of the Thunder God. I like the polished stuff as well.



You are still dancing around the issue.


LGDB: I'm a big fan of Nietzsche.





Thor is no longer drawn as an aspirational hero.

LGDB: I think maybe this artist doesn't do that as much, doesn't emphasize the aspirational hero aspect as much that is, but can you think of any modern examples that you do like? Like is there a contemporary artist that you think does generate that aspirational feel?



Now you could argue the point of the story is to weigh him down with problems but that 'deconstruction' has been going on 8 years or more now. Its never going to change.


LGDB: Can you explain your thinking here? I don't follow.




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Immodicus


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I don't see the purpose a making Thor more grounded, he's a god.

Nik Klein's Thor looks haggard, not what I would expect of a god with virtually unlimited vitality and constitution.


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    Honestly no, but at the same time there sure as heck ain't anyone employed at Marvel that does not fully support such an agenda.



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    LGDB: Yeah that's a good point; it's not as if they'd have to be told what to think, but they likely wouldn't be hired if they were resistant to it.


...and they'd be fired and ostracised if they were already there with those views.


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    You are nitpicking as a deflection tactic.



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    I'm saying he needs to be handsome and muscular. Thor, much like Superman should always be an aspirational ideal and role model.



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    I don't aspire to being a raggedy, 70 year old and I certainly don't aspire to being molested in a Russian Gulag for 8 months either.



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    LGDB: that last one seems out of left field lol


This craziness is not limited to Thor. Its ALL aspirational white male heroes.


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    But I think precisely the thing you're annoyed by is something I like about Klein's art, it reminds me of the old are you'd see in Heavy Metal magazine. I do think it's an intentional kind of roughness or even ugliness, but I think that's kind of part of the charm.


The art is very good. The characterization of an older Thor is cool if this were a limited story such as "Old Man Thor". But this is the whole run now. This is meant to be the current Thor. A literal old man...and that destroys the aspirational aspect of the character.


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    Also, I think this story has more of a mature feel than some of other Thor interpretations.


It has to be more mature - he looks 70 for goodness sake. It would be even more jarring if they retained the comedic style of Aaron's last body of work with Mike Del Mundo.


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    I don't think this is necessarily better, but I think there's room to have these kinds of various interpretations of the Thunder God. I like the polished stuff as well.


I agree. As limited stories. But the main interpretation of Thor (going on several years now) should not be as an old man...we already have Odin for that role.


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    You are still dancing around the issue.



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    LGDB: I'm a big fan of Nietzsche.

\:\-\)


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    Thor is no longer drawn as an aspirational hero.



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    LGDB: I think maybe this artist doesn't do that as much, doesn't emphasize the aspirational hero aspect as much that is, but can you think of any modern examples that you do like? Like is there a contemporary artist that you think does generate that aspirational feel?


I'm a big fan of Ryan Ottley - so it will be interesting to see what he does with Hulk (even though at the very least I'll be waiting on the trades).

I'm currently reading One-Punch Man and Berserk and while those are not aspirational heroes they are drawn heroically proportioned. Edit: I should point out Saitama is typically the comic relief in that book and not generally drawn heroically proportioned.


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    Now you could argue the point of the story is to weigh him down with problems but that 'deconstruction' has been going on 8 years or more now. Its never going to change.



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    LGDB: Can you explain your thinking here? I don't follow.


Thor has not been shown in a heroic light since Jason Aaron cut his arm off.

I can understand a writer wanting to run the character "through the Mill" as they say. But with an aspirational hero, the story should always end in a positive outcome. The aspirational hero can have moments of doubt - but this has gone on years FFS!

Aaron & Cates are not writing an aspirational Thor.

People don't aspire to be old.
People don't aspire to be depressed.
People don't aspire to be weak.
People don't aspire to be disabled.
98% of Men certainly don't aspire to be useless with women.
99.9% of Men certainly don't aspire to be romantically linked to someone who looks like that incarnation of (She)Hulk.

Those are the completely opposite traits classically associated with Thor until Jason Aaron took over. Deconstruction is the excuse to invert everything about a character - which is why I say Aaron & Cates do not love the character of Thor because if they did they would not change everything intrinsic to him.




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