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Subj: Re: KURT - PLEASE COMMENT ON MY VIEWS OF THOR/SUPES [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 at 10:09:35 pm EST
Reply Subj: KURT - PLEASE COMMENT ON MY VIEWS OF THOR/SUPES [SPOILERS]
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 at 09:00:07 pm EST
> First, thanks for the awesome story you have put out together with George and the other members of the creative team. Truly fantastic.
Glad you're enjoying it.
> 1) You said in one of your posts that Superman is stronger than Thor. I don't have a problem with that, but I think the difference in their strengths is not very great. I liken their strength difference to be similar to the difference between two Olympic-class weightlifters, with one capable of lifting 500 lbs. and the weaker one being able to lift about 475 lbs. Would you agree the Thor/Supes strength difference to be in that category? >
I think they're both humongously strong, but I don't want to get into defining stats. Superman is stronger than Thor, but both of them get treated inconsistently when it comes to strength, so I don't think it's possibly to nail it down to numbers.
> 2) During their fight, I believe the heat vision proved to be the difference. I base my opinion on the shape of the word balloons for each character, in which an irregularly shaped word balloon with truncated sentences is used to indicate that a character's strength has been significantly diminished. After Thor takes two of Superman's blows and then knocks him through the trees, Thor's word balloons are still normal, meaning, in my opinion, that he has not yet been significantly weakened. At this point, however, Superman is lingering prostrate among the broken tree trunks and his word balloon when his eyes start to glow red is irregularly shaped. This leads me to believe that the last blow struck by Thor had significantly weakened Superman.>
The shape of the word balloons was meant to indicate that they'd been fighting even while we cut away to see some of the other fights, and had done damage to each other during that time. I don't really think heat vision would have all that major an effect on Thor.
> 4) Thor's decision to wade through Superman's eye beams was the blunder that cost him the fight. He should have whirled the hammer in the manner he normally does to ward off energies from his opponents. There is no way Superman's heat vision could have damaged Mjolnir. At first I questioned your decision to write Thor in this way because he has used Mjolnir to block/absorb opponents' energy beams so often, but then I recalled that when he is in a rage he tends to let bravado get the best of him and make dumb decisions. So actually, I credit you with writing this scene consistently with Thor's personality.>>
Thor was charging, and swinging Mjolnir back in a backswing for the blow in the next panel. Had he been whirling Mjolnir in front of him, he either wouldn't have been able to charge or wouldn't have been able to go into a backswing.
> 5) Once Thor was within striking distance of Supes, he was almost completely depleted (as evidenced by his irregularly shaped word balloons) and ready to be taken out. I doubt that even Superman could have used the palm of his hand to ward off a hammer blow from a fully-powered Thor, but at this point Supes had recoverd enough of his physical strength and depleted enough of Thor's own strength to do this. So in fact the last punch that Superman landed on Thor was really no more powerful than the other blows he landed.>
It wouldn't need to be -- the last punch that puts a boxer down isn't necessarily the strongest one delivered, given that both fighters have been doing damage by that point. Same here.
> In summary, I believe Thor was one hammer blow away from knocking out Supes, but his foolish decision to attempt to withstand Superman's heat vision cost him the fight. Had he decided to use Mjolnir to block the heat vision, he probably would have won the fight. I would love to see you do a rematch since I don't think you would have Thor commit the same error, but I realize this probably will never happen. Please let me know what you think of my comments, Kurt. And thanks again for writing this great series.>
I think you're assuming that heat vision did damage that was done in off-panel fighting, but if they had a rematch it might well go differently. Of course, it might well go differently on both sides -- were Thor to unleash a bolt of Anti-Force, Superman might just dodge it at super-speed and wind up coming at Thor from behind or something. Still, until and unless it happens, we won't know how it'd come out.
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