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Subj: Re: Analyzing (Pseudo)Avengers: Coal Tiger
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 at 07:23:07 am EST
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2003 at 12:26:02 am EST

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Incidental footnote: Coal Tiger was the original name Kirby had in store for his creation that came to be known as T'Challa, the Black Panther.

And what else was the Panther called briefly, to differentiate him from the political movement? Black Leopard or some daft ruddy thing!

Corn
http://home.att.net/~the_avengers/oncall4.htm

> Analyzing: Coal Tiger
>
> Originality: Coal Tiger's not original. In fact, as far as I can tell, the guy (on so many different levels) is the Black Panther with a different costume.
>
> Powers & Backgrounds: Coal Tiger has the same powers & backgrounds as the Black Panther. If there are any differences, we were never made aware of them.
>
> Demeanor: This is the main difference between Coal Tiger & his mainstream reality counterpart, the Black Panther. T'Challa II has a strong dedication to the team & it's members. He seemed to have a stronger connection to the Avengers & what being an Avenger meant than the mainstream version. (As seen in his convo with Swordsman II. Issue uncertain) Beyond that, their personalities are presumably the same.
>
> History: Coal Tiger, AKA T'Challa, is the hero the Black Panther became in an alternate reality. All that is known for certain about him is that he was an Avenger in his reality as well, and was brought to the mainstream reality by the Gatherers in order to be the latest addition to their ranks. Following the Gatherers MO, it's safe to presume that Coal Tiger's reality was threatened, or already being wiped out, by their version of the Eternal Sersi.
>
> Connection: I've always been curious as to why Coal Tiger was never given honorary membership. His main connection to the team is that, while he knew he was dying, and would perish if Black Panther wasn't "gathered" into his being, he still stood by the ideal that "Avengers don't kill" and "once an Avenger, always an Avenger." It was a speech from him that got the Swordsman to switch sides & join the Avengers in their quest to take down the Gatherers, after all. It's my belief that had someone else from the core reality done something like that, they'd have been honored by the team for that action, so why wasn't this guy?
>
> Conclusion: If he were still alive, I don't think Coal Tiger would work with the team, due to the presence of T'Challa from the mainstream MU. However, at the same time, he could work out even better, as his attitude & demeanor seem to fit the Avengers mold more than the antagonistic T'Challa we see now.
>
> Stingray
> Up Next: Cybermancer
>

> Incidental footnote: Coal Tiger was the original name Kirby had in store for his creation that came to be known as T'Challa, the Black Panther.
>
> And what else was the Panther called briefly, to differentiate him from the political movement? Black Leopard or some daft ruddy thing!
>
> Corn
> http://home.att.net/~the_avengers/oncall4.htm

Actually around that time Marvel just dropped the "Black" and called him "Panther".

> > Analyzing: Coal Tiger
> >
> > Originality: Coal Tiger's not original. In fact, as far as I can tell, the guy (on so many different levels) is the Black Panther with a different costume.
> >
> > Powers & Backgrounds: Coal Tiger has the same powers & backgrounds as the Black Panther. If there are any differences, we were never made aware of them.
> >
> > Demeanor: This is the main difference between Coal Tiger & his mainstream reality counterpart, the Black Panther. T'Challa II has a strong dedication to the team & it's members. He seemed to have a stronger connection to the Avengers & what being an Avenger meant than the mainstream version. (As seen in his convo with Swordsman II. Issue uncertain) Beyond that, their personalities are presumably the same.
> >
> > History: Coal Tiger, AKA T'Challa, is the hero the Black Panther became in an alternate reality. All that is known for certain about him is that he was an Avenger in his reality as well, and was brought to the mainstream reality by the Gatherers in order to be the latest addition to their ranks. Following the Gatherers MO, it's safe to presume that Coal Tiger's reality was threatened, or already being wiped out, by their version of the Eternal Sersi.
> >
> > Connection: I've always been curious as to why Coal Tiger was never given honorary membership. His main connection to the team is that, while he knew he was dying, and would perish if Black Panther wasn't "gathered" into his being, he still stood by the ideal that "Avengers don't kill" and "once an Avenger, always an Avenger." It was a speech from him that got the Swordsman to switch sides & join the Avengers in their quest to take down the Gatherers, after all. It's my belief that had someone else from the core reality done something like that, they'd have been honored by the team for that action, so why wasn't this guy?
> >
> > Conclusion: If he were still alive, I don't think Coal Tiger would work with the team, due to the presence of T'Challa from the mainstream MU. However, at the same time, he could work out even better, as his attitude & demeanor seem to fit the Avengers mold more than the antagonistic T'Challa we see now.
> >
> > Stingray
> > Up Next: Cybermancer
> >


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