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Super Rubbery Bung

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emerick man

Subj: Re: Masked vigilantes, indeed...
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 08:12:38 pm EST
Reply Subj: Masked vigilantes, indeed...
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 06:57:19 pm EST

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> > Nobody has a right to be a Vigelante even if Captain America tells you it is right.
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> The right to a fair trial. People arrested by SHIELD are tossed into prison for a life sentence without a trial. Imagine how that kind of power could be used against people you don't like even.
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> Also, SHIELD is forcing super humans to work for them. It's a super human draft. Drafing a certain type of person seems unconstitutional to me.
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> It's not just about training and making people accountable. SHIELD wants all super people to work for them. If that happened, who would stand up to them? There would be no stopping a totalitarian governemnt. SHIELD is always making shady deals with bad people. What happens when the heroes aren't allowed to take down Hydra because SHIELD says so. This seems to be Cap's concern. Not just the registering but the fact that one agency controls a force that could cripple the planet.
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> I'm more worried about the top issues.

One of the selling points to get heroes to 'sign on' was that working for them would be optional! Aaaand they were guaranteed anonymity too! Already they've coerced heroes (Spidey and Wondy come to mind) to do their bidding right out of the gates. There 'drafting' of the villains seems even more extreme (nanites indeed, Reed).

Felt since day 1, there were many concepts of the SHRA that made sense in the real world but making it work practically, and aesthetically, in the 616 literary world would not ultimately work. Marvel history of successfully marketted titles have traditionally mostly focussed on vigilante protagonists. Message board posters have already presented the many flaws with implementation of SHRA. So, it will not stay in effect when the mini is over, as a majority would likely predict, because shelling out to forever read about heroes supporting such a faulty IM/YJ/MrF regime would be financially frustrating.

C'mon, they guaranteed anonymity and right away BOTH sides have managed to already and successfully plant (a number) of spies on both sides! The downside of being on Cap's side is that even IF they win, many of the current heroes lose anyways cuz they are going to have a near impossible time to stay masked vigilantes. Villains, SHIELD, and JJJ will see to that, despite what is law.

> > > Nobody has a right to be a Vigelante even if Captain America tells you it is right.
> >
> > The right to a fair trial. People arrested by SHIELD are tossed into prison for a life sentence without a trial. Imagine how that kind of power could be used against people you don't like even.
> >
> > Also, SHIELD is forcing super humans to work for them. It's a super human draft. Drafing a certain type of person seems unconstitutional to me.
> >
> > It's not just about training and making people accountable. SHIELD wants all super people to work for them. If that happened, who would stand up to them? There would be no stopping a totalitarian governemnt. SHIELD is always making shady deals with bad people. What happens when the heroes aren't allowed to take down Hydra because SHIELD says so. This seems to be Cap's concern. Not just the registering but the fact that one agency controls a force that could cripple the planet.
> >
> > I'm more worried about the top issues.
>
> One of the selling points to get heroes to 'sign on' was that working for them would be optional! Aaaand they were guaranteed anonymity too! Already they've coerced heroes (Spidey and Wondy come to mind) to do their bidding right out of the gates. There 'drafting' of the villains seems even more extreme (nanites indeed, Reed).
>
Reed is a brilliant mind, but I've always seen him as a naive scientist. He's certainly a terrible father and an even worse statesman (everytime he goes to the UN someone seems to attack it \:\) )

> Felt since day 1, there were many concepts of the SHRA that made sense in the real world but making it work practically, and aesthetically, in the 616 literary world would not ultimately work. Marvel history of successfully marketted titles have traditionally mostly focussed on vigilante protagonists. Message board posters have already presented the many flaws with implementation of SHRA. So, it will not stay in effect when the mini is over, as a majority would likely predict, because shelling out to forever read about heroes supporting such a faulty IM/YJ/MrF regime would be financially frustrating.
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Not to mention boring to the max. It was fun with the X-Men because they were an oppressed minority but not the entire US superhero populace.

> C'mon, they guaranteed anonymity and right away BOTH sides have managed to already and successfully plant (a number) of spies on both sides! The downside of being on Cap's side is that even IF they win, many of the current heroes lose anyways cuz they are going to have a near impossible time to stay masked vigilantes. Villains, SHIELD, and JJJ will see to that, despite what is law.>

Cap's side can never win until the law is repealed in Congress. Otherwise, we'll end up with a lot of dead/arrested/crippled superheroes for no good reason.

Ironically the leaders of the Anti-reg are all publicly known figures- Cap, Falcon, Black Panther and Luke Cage. And the most secretive people in the CW are the pro-reg side, who should be promoting transparency.


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