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Pat

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Bryan D

Subj: Re: What rights are we talking about?
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 08:59:51 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: What rights are we talking about?
Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 at 07:32:45 pm EST

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> > Nobody has a right to be a Vigelante even if Captain America tells you it is right.
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> The right to a fair trial. People arrested by SHIELD are tossed into prison for a life sentence without a trial. Imagine how that kind of power could be used against people you don't like even.
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> Also, SHIELD is forcing super humans to work for them. It's a super human draft. Drafing a certain type of person seems unconstitutional to me.
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> It's not just about training and making people accountable. SHIELD wants all super people to work for them. If that happened, who would stand up to them? There would be no stopping a totalitarian governemnt. SHIELD is always making shady deals with bad people. What happens when the heroes aren't allowed to take down Hydra because SHIELD says so. This seems to be Cap's concern. Not just the registering but the fact that one agency controls a force that could cripple the planet.
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> I'm more worried about the top issues.


So cap was cool with us making allies of the Soviets in WWII, the terrorists in the USSR afghan war, corrupt South vietnamese governments?

Why would cap have such a change of heart now?

SHIELD has been a fairly good organization in the past, with a few exceptions which were interesting stories and a product of the 90s X-files inspired renassance of "the government is actually evil".

Every organization, country, etc.. has skeletons in their closets. They have all made deals with devils.

> > > Nobody has a right to be a Vigelante even if Captain America tells you it is right.
> >
> > The right to a fair trial. People arrested by SHIELD are tossed into prison for a life sentence without a trial. Imagine how that kind of power could be used against people you don't like even.
> >
> > Also, SHIELD is forcing super humans to work for them. It's a super human draft. Drafing a certain type of person seems unconstitutional to me.
> >
> > It's not just about training and making people accountable. SHIELD wants all super people to work for them. If that happened, who would stand up to them? There would be no stopping a totalitarian governemnt. SHIELD is always making shady deals with bad people. What happens when the heroes aren't allowed to take down Hydra because SHIELD says so. This seems to be Cap's concern. Not just the registering but the fact that one agency controls a force that could cripple the planet.
> >
> > I'm more worried about the top issues.
>
>
> So cap was cool with us making allies of the Soviets in WWII, the terrorists in the USSR afghan war, corrupt South vietnamese governments?
>
1. Cap was new at the time, the government that had just created him was allied with the Soviets, and the Soviets were the lesser of two evils in WW2; 2. Per Marvels sliding timescale, Cap was still in ice during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan; 3. Ditto for the Vietnam war

> Why would cap have such a change of heart now?
>
Lots more experience than in WW2, he is stronger in his beliefs having been screwed by the US Gov't during his days when he became Nomad and the Captain and countless other problems.

> SHIELD has been a fairly good organization in the past, with a few exceptions which were interesting stories and a product of the 90s X-files inspired renassance of "the government is actually evil".
>
> Every organization, country, etc.. has skeletons in their closets. They have all made deals with devils.


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