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MysteryMan

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Weaponyo

Subj: Re: Thank you Captain America [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 02:07:52 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: Thank you Captain America [SPOILERS]
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 at 01:36:51 pm EST

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> > ok but let's not forget "Clor" or the use of VILLIANS to bring in other heroes. How can those ever be rationalized?! How many times have Iron Man himself been controlled by an enemy only 2 then turn on them... it's inherently a dangerous situation (not to mention ironic).
> > & in Caps defence, he did order Punisher to use nonlethal ordinance (what good thats gonna do on someone like the Punisher is debatable).
> > > > Captain AMerica is the reason I buy comics.
> > > We all have our reasons.
>
> Clor is kinda robotic...so it was like a glitch or weapons malfunction. Either way they didnt know he would do something like that...Cap knows the Punisher LIVES for killing bad-guys.

Furthers my point @ how dangerous & ridiculous Iron Man's & co. actions are... producing a "weapon" w/ the simulated powers of an Asgardian (& that's not mentioning the ethics or lack there of by producing a clone for the sole purpose of using it as a "weapon")
>
> Villians under control...this is WAR by the titles name...the govt. has used criminals in the military since the beggining of time...they step out of line they lose their second chance. There is a nanite blocker in place...all Cap has are words he should know wont work ona mad-man.

on a mad man who @ least deals with BAD GUYS (albiet by means of death... but as you said, this is war). Iron is using homicidal VILIANS who have &/or have attempted kill innocents. His only garuanty are the nanites... in a world where ppl shake mind control as easily as changing a shirt. You'd think that after developing a clone whose genetic structure was engineered to followed orders (& it still went haywire) that they would see the inherent dangers of doing that. What makes it crazier is that they r sending them against individuals who've put their lives on the line 2 save the Earth/Universe/Reality countless of times (his own life included). I don't think these are enitirely comparable... insane/out of character/ actions but Iron Man's is definitely the most outrageous (IMHO).


> > > ok but let's not forget "Clor" or the use of VILLIANS to bring in other heroes. How can those ever be rationalized?! How many times have Iron Man himself been controlled by an enemy only 2 then turn on them... it's inherently a dangerous situation (not to mention ironic).
> > > & in Caps defence, he did order Punisher to use nonlethal ordinance (what good thats gonna do on someone like the Punisher is debatable).
> > > > > Captain AMerica is the reason I buy comics.
> > > > We all have our reasons.
> >
> > Clor is kinda robotic...so it was like a glitch or weapons malfunction. Either way they didnt know he would do something like that...Cap knows the Punisher LIVES for killing bad-guys.
>
> Furthers my point @ how dangerous & ridiculous Iron Man's & co. actions are... producing a "weapon" w/ the simulated powers of an Asgardian (& that's not mentioning the ethics or lack there of by producing a clone for the sole purpose of using it as a "weapon")

And Cap is being just as rediculous...especially since he doesnt place any checks and balances on his decisions. He makes NO efforts to control his people..in fact the anti-reg side is full of heroes ignoring each other. Cap ignores Falcon...ignores the others saying dont let the Punisher join...they ignore Cap when he goes and trys to finally talk peacfully with Tony...and on and on and on. These guys cant even agree amongst themsleves on what they are doing from moment to moment let alone have any type of goal or plan other then bucking the system and each other. THAT is dangerous.

> > Villians under control...this is WAR by the titles name...the govt. has used criminals in the military since the beggining of time...they step out of line they lose their second chance. There is a nanite blocker in place...all Cap has are words he should know wont work ona mad-man.
>
> on a mad man who @ least deals with BAD GUYS (albiet by means of death... but as you said, this is war). Iron is using homicidal VILIANS who have &/or have attempted kill innocents. His only garuanty are the nanites... in a world where ppl shake mind control as easily as changing a shirt. You'd think that after developing a clone whose genetic structure was engineered to followed orders (& it still went haywire) that they would see the inherent dangers of doing that. What makes it crazier is that they r sending them against individuals who've put their lives on the line 2 save the Earth/Universe/Reality countless of times (his own life included). I don't think these are enitirely comparable... insane/out of character/ actions but Iron Man's is definitely the most outrageous (IMHO).
>
Who said all of these are Tony's plans. They have stated there were many plans that were put forth and Tony chose the least crazy of them all. He tells Cap this. That they had all sorts of insane plans and he is doing his best to limit them and control them from the inside. Cap says well just fight them as they pop up. But Tony is right...they basically showed that if he had not stepped in...Days of Future Past would have happened and Sentinels would rule the world etc...

Tony wants to change the system from within...Cap just wants to tear it down...but has ZERO plans on how or what to replace it with. Thats DANGEROUS.


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