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Subj: Re: Why didn't he just write this team/book in the first place? (possible spoilers...maybe
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 11:49:04 pm EST
Reply Subj: Re: Why didn't he just write this team/book in the first place? (possible spoilers...maybe
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 at 09:02:06 pm EST

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> I mean...this team seems to consist of all his favorite characters (save Sentry) or the characters he seems most interested in writing about as opposed to chronicling the Avengers:
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> Wolverine
> Spider Woman
> Power Man
> Dr. Strange
> Echo
> Ronin (his own creation)
> Jessica Jones-Cageas supporting character
> and now Iron Fist
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> When I think about who Bendis focused on the past couple of years (in Avengers, New Avengers, HOM, Illuminati, Secret War, Ultimate X-Men-which was really a Wolverine book) I get the feeling these are really the folks he wanted to write about...and The Avengers book just became the means or vehicle to make that happen.
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> He still gets to write his other three favortites - Iron Man (whom he does write exceptionally well!), Ms. Marvel and Sentry (who for some reason he thinks is the greatest thing since whipped cream???)in what is shaping up to be or looks to be the Avengers proper (debatable I know).
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> But dang...as someone who loved Secret War and Illuminati but has not enjoyed Disassembled, HOM, New Avengers or Civil War I just wish he wrote this team as a New Defenders at the outset. I mean, that what New Avnegrs really was IMO.
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> No matter the roster change, and some were radical, The consistent tradtional Avengers team was always a formal Super Hero organization with a formal headquaters, constitution, charter, by-laws, protcols, procedures, with varying degrees of a quasi-legal relationships to governmental bodies and/or law enforcemetn agencies. New Avngers lost that. By contrast the Defenders team/book was a loosely structured informal assosiation of heroes who sometimes formally, sometimes informally met at either Dr. Strange's house or Kyle Richmond's. Thats what the New Avengers became, only instead of Strange's house they hung out at Tony Stark's. It always had the feel of a Defenders team/book to me. And the NEW New Avengers seems to be even more in that vein.
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> Just my thoughts and ramblings...
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Storytelling often requires shaking up the status quo every once in a while. It's the narrative equivalanet of needing to break a few eggs to make an omlettel

I think the Avengers needed to be Disassembled and lose they very things which made them the Avengers (really the most "profectional" and sanctioned team in the MU) in order to move the entire MU in the direction it's going now, where the lawless days of the vigilante could be coming to an end.

And you can't do that with the Defenders.


> Storytelling often requires shaking up the status quo every once in a while. It's the narrative equivalanet of needing to break a few eggs to make an omlettel
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Agreed. Shaking up the staus quo...not necessarily the core concept. Avengers #16 changed the status quo but not the concept. Heroes Reborn radicaly changed the status quo but the core concept wasn't revised (not that it was successful). Hydro base and Avengers West Coast changed the staus quo in interesting ways yet the core concept was consistent. When Busiek expanded on the concept with a more global operation it changed the Avngers' staus quo. In much the same way The Avengers: The Initiative looks similar and I applaud all those efforts, whether executed sucessfully or not. The FF, The X-Men, Spiderman, Captain America, the JLA, The Legion, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc all have had egg breaking radical changes in stauys quo but remianed true to the essence and concept which made them what they were.

I don't think New Avengers was sucessfull on a number of fronts (certainly a finacial sucess though!)because it changed the status quo in a manner which did not remain consistent with the orginal concept as maintained throughout all the teams's incarnations. Start a new book if it's that different is what I'm saying. And if Marvel or Bendis or whomever wanted to capitalize on a brand name, well Defenders could have worked just as well.

The Defenders concept allows folks to be on multiple teams so it could have worked very nicely to use not only Wolverine but Cap and Iron Man as well.

> I think the Avengers needed to be Disassembled and lose they very things which made them the Avengers (really the most "profectional" and sanctioned team in the MU) in order to move the entire MU in the direction it's going now, where the lawless days of the vigilante could be coming to an end.
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> And you can't do that with the Defenders.

Difference of opinion. I absolutely do not think the Avengers had to "lose they very things which made them the Avengers". Why? Then they are not the Avengers...

A radically transformed Avengers was not necessary for Civil War, the end of unregistered lawless vigilantism, or the new direction MU is heading in. The same end could have been achieved in as interesting a fashion with an internally conflicted Avengers Team or an Avengers team at odds with a Bendis written super team (Defenders)consisting of his current cast. In fact, that's what we've ended up with anyway with Mighty and New New. >


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